What the What Now?!!!!

[ExtraCookie]

Ummm. . . EXCUSE ME?! Check out, especially, the green highlighted bit:

Supernatural Season 5 Scoop!
by Ileane Rudolph July 20, 2009 05:31 PM EST


Supernatural creator Eric Kripke pulls out all the stops as the sexy horror show returns for its fifth season. In last season’s shocking finale, an angry and demon-blood addicted Sam (Jared Padalecki)—to his horror—was responsible for freeing Lucifer from his hellish imprisonment. In this exclusive interview, Kripke tells TV Guide Magazine what Lucifer’s return means and what roles Sam and big bro Dean (Jensen Ackles) will play in saving the world.

That was a pretty terrifying finale. You have an interesting “pox on both their houses” take on the Apocalypse. Do you hear from angry religious types?
[Laughs] We actually haven’t. Quite frankly, sometimes we’re surprised that some religious people don’t take more issue with our depiction of angels. But—we’ve always kept in our back pocket that despite these particular angels being the bureaucracy of Heaven, there are potentially higher and more benevolent forces in the universe. But we have a humanity-centered show. Our attitude is always, humans with all their imperfections are the heroic ones and everyone else is just kind of messing with them.

Let’s talk about Season 5. Should I assume that the showdown between the angels and Lucifer and his demon minions—with Sam and Dean caught in the middle—is your through line this season?
Part of that is ongoing mythology, so I don’t want to give too much of that away, but yeah, it’s basically that the angels and Lucifer and the demons are just beginning the long foretold Apocalypse from the Book of Revelations. It’s the war that everyone’s been waiting for for thousands of years. Humanity is unfortunately caught in the middle. Our heroes object to that. Their response is “You want to fight a war? Pick another planet. This one’s ours and get the hell off it.”

What’s the time frame?
We pick up from the finale, where we left off with the boys in the chapel with the portal to Lucifer’s cage opening and Lucifer rising. We show the next few subsequent seconds after that and then continue the story from there.

So they escape and…
No, they both die and we continue the series with James Van Der Beek.

I hear the roar of a million fans shrieking. OK, what are the manifestations of Lucifer’s return?
We’re really trying to make good our promise—with Lucifer comes the Apocalypse. Supernatural’s version of the Apocalypse. The public isn’t necessarily aware of it. They’re not running screaming through the streets. That would be hard to maintain through a season. Our version of the Apocalypse includes things like hurricanes unexpectedly slamming into the U.S. coasts and swine flu and North Korea suddenly arming up with nuclear weapons. [Laughs] We’re really trying to create the idea that we always have, that this could be happening right outside your door and you don’t know it. At least in the first few days of the Apocalypse.

The first episode is called “Sympathy for the Devil.” Is that a hint?
One of our goals is to depict Lucifer [played by Mark Pellegrino, aka Jacob on Lost] in a way that’s rarely seen on television. We want Lucifer to be the most sympathetic character this season. He’s this wounded angel who feels very betrayed by God and his fellow angels. We’re writing him with a vulnerability and almost a tenderness. This is totally like douche baggy, but we’re looking at “Paradise Lost” a lot. That idea of the very human devil that has moments of doubt and moments of really human emotion. It’s an opportunity to see a really interesting Lucifer.

Demons and angels take different meat skins—human bodies—to hide their true selves. How about Lucifer?
Lucifer is an angel and like any angel he needs to take a vessel. He’ll need to be walking around as a human as well. A strikingly handsome one. Compared to Zachariah and the rest of the angels on the show, he’s more gentle and soft spoken by a long shot. In his own weird way, he’s the kindest of all the angels.

What are Sam and Dean’s roles here? Do the angels still expect Dean to do their bidding?
Dean still has this chosen status from the angels. He’s someone they expect will defeat Lucifer. Much more of what that means will be revealed in the first episode. But he doesn’t particularly like or trust the angels and isn’t particularly inclined to follow the plan they have for him.

The last time we saw Sam, he was clearly heart wrenchingly guilty for having inadvertently raised Lucifer. How will he overcome that?
Sam is in a difficult place. He’s feeling such horrifying regret. How do you get out from under the weight of [being] the guy who broke the world and you broke it through pride, selfishness and you were seduced and you were fooled and all the horrible things that have happened as a result. He’s got a lot to atone for and he’s really on a journey of redemption. We’ve been talking about his story in the metaphors of a brand new ex-addict. He’s giving up demon blood; he’s giving up all these dark sides and with them comes terrible temptations. And meanwhile your family’s angry with you and they don’t trust you. Sam’s emotional arc this season is trying to go clean again and he’s got lots of trust to rebuild with Dean.

Your fans get famously upset when Sam and Dean are mean to each other. Why do you keep torturing them?
[Laughs] We owe it to the fans to depict an honest relationship and we wouldn’t be honest, having gone through the events at the end of Season 4, if they just said, “It’s all forgotten, let’s move on.” There’s a lot of drama to play. It’s our intention to bring them back together. It always is. I’ve always said it’s a show about the strength of family. But they need to recreate their relationship and come back together in a way in which they’re older, sadder, wiser but ultimately stronger.

Sam’s dead fiancé Jessica [played by Adrianne Palecki] shows up.
Yeah, in Episode 3.

What can you tell me about that?
I’ll keep much of that under wraps. She does return as Jessica.

So we hear demon Meg [now played by Rachel Miner] is back in the premiere. Why does she return? What are her intentions?
They’re not good. I’ve always been wondering what she’s doing out there actually. I’ve been continually asking the writers, “Where’s Meg? What’s she doing? She’s a demon. She has a really powerful grudge against the boys. They have history together. She would be a really formidable adversary. Where is she?” Finally, I got impatient and ended up writing her into my own script. It’s Mardi Gras for Meg and demons like her. Their demonic Lord and Savior has returned and so it’s party time for demons. As far as they’re concerned, Dean is the only threat to that and so we really ratchet up the tension yet again this season. Pretty much every demon in Hell and on Earth is out gunning for Dean Winchester, because he is pretty much the only one who can destroy basically their Lord and Father.

Is Bobby their only ally or will others come in to help during the season?
When we first come back in the season opener, Castiel is dead, destroyed by the Archangel. So there’s some moments when we wonder if they’ll have the help of their old angel pal Cas. There’s always allies, sometimes in unlikely places. But it’s always the idea of this small scared sweaty group up against overwhelming forces, and that’s kind of where the heart of Supernatural lies. In that idea of it as a Western, and you got the entire army outside and you’re inside and you’ve got to shoot your way out.

Supernatural’s fifth season begins Thursday, Sept. 10, 9/8c, The CW.

Oh, and for those who don't know, there's this one too:

Katie in Colorado Springs, Colo.: We Supernatural fans are still waiting for some spoilery Dean goodness for season five. Help us!
You ask, we answer! Our sources tell us that when Supernatural returns, Dean takes Castiel out for a night on the town to loosen him up. As you could assume, hilarity ensues.
------------------------------------------------------

OK, now, I am freaking out! I didn't imagine Cas's smack-down going like THAT! Hm, so I guess someone will call in a favor for him like Anna did for herself (maybe she'll call in the favor for him). Some are also speculating that Lucifer will bring him back. What about Jimmy, then? So, they're punking out after all and are gonna send him off the fields of the Lord?! They'd better not! PUNKS!

That very last bit is great. I can't wait to see that. But I wish Sammy were part of the picture. The 3 of them, out together. I want the three to bond, not just two.

Some think, too, that Eric may just be messing with us, throwing out such a major event such as that when he usually tries to keep such things quiet.

I don't like the idea of Cas being dead even for a moment, so, if this is true, it had better be a super short moment. Like no longer than 5 minutes. Or I'll be very unhappy!

Ohh, I so hope Sammy gets redemption! I so want him to be, at the core, the Sammy I know and love. *Sniffle* Sammy!

This article comes courtesy of PonySushi from that other place.

[Calena]

Here's the link, courtesy of SuperWiki on Twitter:
http://www.tvguidemagazine.com/super...coop-1763.html

I don't think Castiel will be dead. Master Kripke is messing with us! Misha is a series regular! We know that! He moved to Vancouver, for crying out loud!

I also hope Lucifer is not too vulnerable and nice.

James Van der Beek, hm? Master Kripke, will you never learn your lesson? Cookie, would that count as jumping the shark for you?

Sammy will definitely get redemption, however he might die for good once he has it - Star Wars like, not that you girls would get the analogy. *sigh*

[helps]

Awww Cookie. No way, he would kill Cas. He's so funny!! I guess he's not only torturing boys , but also his fans and he likes that! Seriously I would love him to come to Asylum convention, 'cause we european guys would love to meet him,too - I mean, he seems to be slightly insane as Misha, lol. Why he's joking all the time - I think he is....
Nice shot with James Van Der Beek You have my full support haha, we don't need Sam and Dean anymore.
About Lucifer - I believe that they really are going to make him as symphatetic as possible. Moreover we all are heading to Hell anyway, we better be friends with Lucifer . No no, I think I won't judge him, he's an angel, evil one, but on the other side he only disliked humans and fell. It happens.... I don't know about vulnerable part - I guess, it's Kripke's way to tell us he's gonna be a badass (BTW, when it comes to Kripke, I'm pretty suspicious, I'm not still even convinced Mark is gonna be Lucifer, lol)

Oh dear!! Isn't Kripke total teaser?! Castiel isn't about to die - even if he was, they're bringing him back somehow as yeah Misha is apparently pretty busy lately, plus I've read somewhere that he's gonna be in 17 episodes. Honestly that would be pretty wussy to take him away when fans accepted him, love him and so everyone(including J2) can be happy to have him around... I even heard about ppl who were watching only season 4 for him and now are catching up on previous seasons... lol...

I like that they're not gonna do this "Move on, we're back together" skip. I'm sure it will be heartbreaking(yeah, he really likes to torture us, right Eric), but interesting to watch. Sammy will be probably the most huggable this season. Tho, I'm not mad at him, while he was sometimes acting like total wuss with that demon bi*ch.

All in all, great interview!! thanks for sharing Cookie. Entertaining.

Aww, you and SW theories *sigh* Get over it, it's not SW show. *rollseyes*

[smileyone]

So they escape and…
No, they both die and we continue the series with James Van Der Beek.

Ahhhh all my dreams are finally answered and have come true... I was getting well fed up with those two in the show... about time, they moved on and some class actor took over!!! .... All we need now is Chad Michael Murray or that guy from Superman, to be the sidekick and we're away.... no more J2.... top stuff... !!!

When we first come back in the season opener, Castiel is dead, destroyed by the Archangel.

hahahahaha.... I have Mini Me home with me today, off sick and he has nearly had a fit whilst reading this above comment over my shoulder.... He's doing major panicking here..... Hahahahahahaha.... Yes, he dies Mini Me.... and never comes back.... and takes Sam & Dean down with him.... for good....
No, I won't post yet... I'm not done darling.. they're all dead meat !!! Hahahahaha.... And what's more.... the Impala rusts a death too.... Hahahahahaha... seriously, it's more fun seeing his reaction then breaking the trth that it's a joke to him.... Oh I think he's off to puke again... oooppppssss took this one too far.... so funny.... I don't think many will miss that Castiel character at all in next season.... it's not as if either his character or that actor who plays him, ummmm what's his name again.... ever made much of an impact on anyone on these forums or indeed in the whole SPN community.... seriously, what's the guys name.... totally gone.... 'I GOT NOTHING!!!'.... ....

[helps]

Another little spoiler that is gonna kill ya Cookie!!! It makes me feel pretty good... hahahaha!! He's so NOT gonna die!! (not that I'd ever buy that Eric ^^)
Scroll down to the picture of Dean!
http://www.eonline.com/uberblog/watc...ck_having.html

LoL, poor Castiel, you all are for killing him. Not to mention J2. Poor boys are trying so hard and you would replace them with Dawson, Clark Kent and Murray...

[smileyone]

Exactly..... And what would top it all off is if they also had that Logan guy from Gilmore Girls... jumping off a few buildings and so on.... in fact how about throwing in Jess character too from GiGi.... yep.... so much testrostrone in so little a space.... throw in a dog and a few supernatural pirates and smugglers and we'll have an updated version of the Famous Five....

Mini Me is starting to breathe ok again.... He's so cross... says I really shouldn't tease him so.... tell him so many lies that might stunt his future and put him on the road to a shrink later on in life.... or words to that effect..... Maybe I should keep telling him for now about Logan charactger making a visit to show.... God, he really hated that character with a true passion!!!

[ExtraCookie]

Duh, helps, your M.D.D. is so screwing with your memory today; that spoiler was included at the end of my post! It'll be overall sad when Supernatural goes off the air, but at least it may give your M.D.D. a chance to go away; or at least into some sort of remission or dormancy, until Misha's next project (The Supernatural movie, I hope!)!

Obviously, guys, Cas isn't going to STAY dead. Note my paragraph about calling in favors and Lucifer resurrecting him. But Eric very well may be serious about him dying temporarily. If so, I'm just . . . Smiley, is this a situation where the term "gutted" would fit? Is that a good term for crushed? Heartbroken? Disappointed? Because it's obviously their Jimmy Punk Out Point. I thought they were so amazing and cool to keep Jimmy in the first place when they had the perfect chance to get rid of him. I thought that meant something. I thought it meant they were super cool and brave enough to incorporate such a fascinating element to the show. If that spoiler was right, then I was wrong. I hope they at least acknowledge his passing. At least show some sort of regret and/or sadness. Let us know that Cas or someone has given his condolences to the family. They could, at the very least, not sweep his death under the rug.

I know, I'm the only fan in existence who cares that much about Jimmy. Can't help it.

Smiley, glad to hear the kid has recovered from the Cas shock & trauma! Sounds like it was a close one there for a while.

[helps]

Sweetie sorry I totally did miss that!!! You wrote it so small!!! So why you don't celebrate?? It's gonna be a lot of fun! I can't wait to see Cas -- do whatever Dean decides it's important - getting drunk, having fun with girls Just awesome fun!!! I can vividly imagine Misha with straight face going through all of that XD I hope we're gonna get long gag reels on DVDs of s4!!

Ooh, hon I don't think Cas is gonna be killed. I'd be sorry, but well if we're not gonna see Jimmy again, I will deal with it

Stop with my M.D.D. This time it was my mistake I overlooked that.

[Calena]

I don't know why Lucifer should do anyone a favour in the first place. But even if you are right and bringing Castiel back as a favour is what happens, will Castiel still be an angel? Can angels be resurrected? And why should he then look exactly like his previous meat suit? That's a very complicated thing to do.

I have to go and paint some windows now.

[ExtraCookie]

It wouldn't be me being right. I'm not the one speculating that Lucifer brings him back; it's others. I admit it's a possibility, but I doubt its liklihood. If it happened, it'd be to show Lucifer's charm/goodness/stuff we're supposed to have sympathy for.

I don't know about all this sympathy stuff! Is he, ultimately, the source of evil or not?! Did he allow/cause demons to be made and to serve him or not?! That's the bottom line for me. I won't have much sympathy for him if these things are the truth. Can't wait to see how they're going to tell his tale.

Anna got her old form back, remember? And she's still an angel; grace intact. So, it could happen the same way for Cas. (And I figure if it happens, it'll most likely be her doing.) But, there again, I'm pretty sure Jimmy will be left in the fields. *snicker* I wonder if the fields of the Lord is what gave Misha his idea about minions giving over their harvests?