Supernatural 4x22 - Lucifer Rising

[KikiGotTheLastCookie]

Oh well, we all knew it would happen


"Lucifer Rising"

THE BATTLE BEWTEEN HEAVEN AND HELL BEGINS -- The apocalypse is coming, and Sam (Jared Padalecki) and Dean (Jensen Ackles) prepare for the fight in very different ways. Sam joins Ruby (Genevieve Cortese) on a final run to kill Lilith (guest star Katherine Boecher), while Castiel (Misha Collins) and Zachariah (guest star Kurt Fuller) tell Dean it’s time to play his part in stopping Lucifer.

Promo Pictures: http://spoilertv-supernatural.blogsp...omotional.html

[DramaDiva]

Ok so here is my question ...If Lucifer rising is almost inevitable and the Angels are telling Dean, Man Up buddy, it's time....why is Sam going on worried about Lillith? It's happening either way .Shouldn't he by Dean's side ? I no longer stand by the comments that he is sacrificing himself for the larger picture.

ETA to further my point I have also heard a spoiler/speculation regarding Lilith being the last of the 66 seals...Seems Sam would wanna stay as far away from her as possible maybe even protect her from harm ..not try to kill her

04/13 - Ausiello updated his asterix hint to this: Sam learns in the season finale that ******i** ****** is the ***** **** that has ** ** broken ****** ******* can ***e. Source: The Ausiello Files [Note: Site visitor Brandon believes that a possible answer to the riddle is "Sam learns in the season finale that murdering ****** is the final seal that has to be broken before Lucifer can rise." A few site visitors believe that the person who must be killed is "Lilith". Site visitor Courtney emailed me with a version of the possible answer with "defeating" instead of "murdering" as Brandon suggested.]

That is from spoilerfix.com

[KikiGotTheLastCookie]

I think it all makes sense. I mean Lilith being the last seal. I also hope that Ruby is in on all that and turns out she was using Sam all along for her own thing. I also think it is very possible that if Lucifer is not a monster type guy (and when are they ever on the show) than he will need a body to posses like everyone else on the show and who is a better (looking) choice than our Sammy?
This of course will be really awkward fro Dean to then kill his brother...HOWEVER...if Lucifer went and possesses the Dean than with Sammies great abilities he would have a real chance of killing Lucifer for good (like Alistair) and actually save the Dean meatsuit.

[DramaDiva]

No I disagree, it's absolute foolishness to think he can kill Lucifer. It's not some demon he's THE FREAKING DEMON . Not to mention the fact that Sam had a good pint of his blood drained last episode. We all know he's gonna be locked in the panic room at some point , so unless he drinks Ruby's blood like Gatorade the next few episodes how can he think he is prepared for this . Look how long it took him to get strong enough to get Alistair. This whole thing reminds me of the song' Anything you can do I can do better' ..Dean beaks the first seal , well Oh yeah Sam breaks the last. Dean has to kill Lucifer according to profits and Angels , Oh yeah , Sam is gonna be Lucifer because I don't believe for a second Lucifer would possess Dean and if that was the case why would Cas take sam on a spiritual journey to try and correct the error of his ways if indeed it's his power they needed all along. ....it's just madness.

This came from Kristen @ EOnline so take it as you will she has known to get her facts askew

04/22 - We just chatted up SPN writer Ben Edlund, and he tells us that Lucifer will be more of a looming presence than one specific personage.

While Castiel (Misha Collins) is confirmed to be a regular for Supernatural season five, all we can say about Anna and Ruby is that there are a couple deaths in the finale, and that Sam's demon girlfriend and Dean's angelic friend with benefits are not guaranteed to be safe.

[KikiGotTheLastCookie]

I am sure both Anna and Ruby will go - like all the girls before them. Hm, that "looming presence" idea sounds pretty good

So season 5 they both will be hunting Lucifer then you think?

[DramaDiva]

I dunno I think at the end of the season Dean and Sam's relationship with each other is still going to be up in the air ...big cliffhanger. They say (those that are in the know ) that the last three eps can be summed up as Dean vs. Sam. So I guess that all depends on how long it takes them to get their head out of their asses and get over the past and move on better and stronger than ever before, becasue for me Luicfer will win for sure unless they get together to fight the good fight like the good old days.The best thing Lucifer has on his side is the fact that he has managed to seperate them and strain their relationship ....lets face it two Winchester heads are better than one.

[smileyone]

Yes indeed folks.... I know it's been a while BUT..... it's that time again...... It's time for........ 'Really stupid question coming from Smiley' time again!!!!

Ok.... Sam, we know is all into drinking demon blood of late.... why is he not just draining blood out of every single other demon he and Ruby are knocking the demons out of week in week out? Why is Ruby so special? Why Ruby? Why not any old demon.... ??? He had Alastair there in his grip a while back.... why didn't he drain some juice there??? hmmmm.... What is it with that lass in particular.... ??? Just wondering.....

[Calena]

Ok.... Sam, we know is all into drinking demon blood of late.... why is he not just draining blood out of every single other demon he and Ruby are knocking the demons out of week in week out? Why is Ruby so special? Why Ruby? Why not any old demon.... ??? He had Alastair there in his grip a while back.... why didn't he drain some juice there??? hmmmm.... What is it with that lass in particular.... ??? Just wondering.....

Great question smiley, I mentioned that before. I would really like to know if there is something special about Ruby, maybe she's Lucifer's daughter or something? Or if it does work with any demon - because if it did Sam wouldn't be dependent on Ruby, which would make the whole demon blood sucking not so dangerous, because low level demons are numerous like sand grains at the beach.

I also think it is very possible that if Lucifer is not a monster type guy (and when are they ever on the show) than he will need a body to posses like everyone else on the show and who is a better (looking) choice than our Sammy?8

I personally think Lucifer when the seals are broken should be able to rise in his "real form", he is the highest ranking demon there is, isn't he? Hm, is Lucifer technically still an angel? Is Lucifer's grace hidden somewhere? Could that mean something?

No I disagree, it's absolute foolishness to think he can kill Lucifer.

I agree. Sam is Batman and all, but even if he sucked Ruby dry to the last drop he it can't be possible that he could kill Lucifer.

Look how long it took him to get strong enough to get Alistair.

Which is why Dean and Co. should have let Sam proceed. Even if he couldn't kill Lucifer even if he was in top form, he probably would be strong enough to make a difference, to buy some time, whatever. But deliberately weakening your best player, that is foolish.

and that Sam's demon girlfriend and Dean's angelic friend with benefits are not guaranteed to be safe.

It would be a shame about Anna. I want to see more of her, and it would be cool if Dean had an angel as a girlfriend.

[Sarah1983]

I'm jumping in with both feet, not really reading much other then thread title "Lucifer Rising"

So, I'm not sure if I've stated my two cents before here, or on the CW forum, lol. Anyway, my general take on this title is that we're in for a surprise. What does everyone think about there NOT being a Lucifer?

*hides from pitchforks and angry mobs*
*waits for mobs to pass*
*comes out*
Whew, out, now that I've stated it I shall continue. My basic idea is this. Lazarus was Dean. It was a code or stand in for Dean's name to sorta tie it to the idea of Lazarus rising from the dead (duh, get to the point, I know). What if "Lucifer" is a stand in for Sam?

As Chuck would say, great "literary symmetry"...or something like that, anyway.

Any thoughts, comments, ponderances on that conception of the title?

I'm not saying Sam will go dark or be evil, just that from the episode standpoint he will take on a more menacing quality. Be juxtapose to Dean.

[KikiGotTheLastCookie]

Sarah, we have not talked much on here before I don't think but I am liking the way you are thinking really I do...but have they not mentioned before that Lucifer was as "Real" as any of the lot like Ruby, Castiel...etc... I mean Luci is not the opposite of god, or is he? Is he not more the equal to Zacharius?

As before said if Luci was a looming presence that surely would make him sort of equal to God and his "looming presence" in the world but I doubt they make him that powerful.... don't know..I see Luci as the Anti-Winchester type constantly unleashing hell on earth and the Winchesters have to clean up behind him ...kinda like they do now anyways.

I am really not sure where this is all going in order to make a 5th season out of the plot....