Angels&Demons in Supernatural

[candyrose]

Yep, I am a hermit against my will. I'm social phobic. Awful is quite the apt description. (Wish that was my usual sarcasm there, but it's not.)

How you sought help for it? There's certain things you can do in order to try to overcome it. I have/had exactly the same problem. For one, I'm not a very social person to begin with. I'm an introvert all the way. I would much prefer to be at home, preferably alone, doing something like read a book or watching a TV show. I'm not a party person, and you'll never catch me in some bar, drinking and getting wild on the bar counter. I'm not really into the night scene at all, unless you count long drives or walks on the beach late at night, but, hey, that's completely different. It can get pretty bad, though, for some people, especially if they don't keep it in check. It can lead to situations where the mere thought of being around people, especially in the middle of a crowd, can produce anxiety. If it escalates, it can lead to the person trying to avoid being social at all costs, literally actively trying to avoid it. If you really want to get out more often, you have to start with something small, like going out to some place that isn't as heavily populated. If it's so bad that you don't want to even be out, then you need to start with something even smaller, something where you can go out but don't really have to interact with others. That's what I had to do, and things are better now. I still prefer being alone, but it's certainly not as bad as what it was.

[candyrose]

*SIGH* Silly deity! I do understand your point, but I think the point is pointless, if that makes sense. I see no excuse or reason whatsoever for God to create suffering & struggle.

You're misinterpreting. It's not my point I am making. I never said I agreed with it or thought it was a good, justifying explanation. I merely stated that this could possibly be his point of view. Someone's point does not always have to make sense; in fact,it can be completely illogical and pointless, as you put it.

Suffering and struggle? Are we talking about from an entertainment POV or in general?

Well, I'm a bit conflicted on the issue. I can sort of see both sides of the coin,here. It's difficult to imagine that a loving and caring God would allow such evil and suffering in this world. I mean, if he truly loved us, then why make us suffer so much? However, on the other hand, how to humans learn? How to humans come to understand themselves and the world better? Forget about God for a second, let's not even include him in this portion of the discussion. Even if religion did not exist and no one worship anything, I still think people learn and grow from their suffering. They learn how to see things from different angles and learn more about what is important to them. I'm saying this as a person who has experienced a lot of hardships and losses. I've dealt with some major **** and there are times when I wonder if my life would have been better if none of it had ever happened. But, I can't deny that these hardships have made me a stronger and wiser person.

[ExtraCookie]

I'm grabbing my water wings and jumping in . . .

I think we're misinterpreting each other on the issue of why would God bother with the agony for any living being. You seem to be saying "His reason is _____ and it doesn't have to make sense . . ." and I'm saying, "Yeah, but why, absolute bottom line?! Shouldn't it make sense?!" And shouldn't the ultimate power make the ultimate sense? If we mere humans can see that the way He's running things is ridiculous & unnecessary, what does that say about Him? God's crazy? I think if one wants to believe in Him, that's ultimately what they're going to need to think.

Yeah, sure, leaving out God/religion, of course humans CAN learn and improve from SOME struggles and hardship. But it's certainly not true that we all do! Many things don't toughen or teach; they just flat-out damage and that's it. (Like starvation. What are those starving folks learning from that? And what, ultimately, is the point? It's going to kill them!) I, too, know whereof I speak very well. And, in my case, I'd exchange stonger/wiser for happy & well any day. There are plenty of people who haven't ever struggled who are just happy and content; and isn't that the point of living, if there is one? Putting God back into the picture, you have to ask why He'd choose to make things run this way. It was His choice. And He's supposed to be all wise. He could've made there be absolutely no need to learn lessons/be strong, you see? He decided it should be this way. *Sigh* Anyone want to go with me to sign up to tour with Dawkins?! Let's go!

Man, it really would be just amazing and awesome and cool if the show would actually be brave enough to end up saying, "Yeah, as far as we can tell, there isn't a god!" or "There was a God, but He's dead or gone." Or "There is one, but he sucks and we're all screwed!" (Poor Cas, if they did that!) I just don't think it'll have the guts, though, unless Eric is truly wanting to check out and just doesn't care. This is supposed to be his last season with the show, so maybe he will be willing to take such a huge risk! He'd lose a lot of viewers/fans, but those like us would be so elated! " *GASP* He went there!!!"

[candyrose]

I think, at least a lot of the time, one has to experience failure in order to really appreciate and enjoy success. So many people take what they have for granted and become easily dissatisfied, all because of some really minuscule detail. Some may be content, but some really don't realize their happiness because they are so used to it. I think struggle teaches us to appreciate what we have and to enjoy it. And, furthermore, we see the beauty and happiness in the simpler things in life. There really can be a lot to appreciate and admire in life, but some people don't see it this way because they are too busy reaching for the really, really big things, often unrealistic things. They compare their lives to the lives of others as well as what they have to what others have, and sometimes this can come to define their overall outlook on life and how they feel about themselves. It should really be relative to the person and what they want and have experienced, not a comparison to others. I think you can be stronger and wiser, all while being content with your lot. I think when one sees how bad things can get, it's easier for them to be content with things. They realize everything doesn't have to be perfect and predictable--there's more things to love this way. Plus, there is a sense of pride in knowing one has overcome so many things. if one can look at the situation this way, they can feel like a better person for it and appreciate themselves much more. Hm, you'd trade it any day? Isn't that like saying "ignorance is bliss"? That sounds like something some Christians would say when arguing in favor of following a religion. They don't need to be strong and wise, because God is strong and wise. God will carry them through everything and all they have to do is see this and be content with their lives.

[helps]

Thank you for making yet again such an interesting post. And thank you for making it in here, because I haven't got much from certain other people despite "will post later"

What's? I gave you answers to your post. You just overlook me. I know my english sucks and so my thoughts lately, but you know it's because of M.D.D.,too. I used to be quite thoughtful. I'm sorry I don't come up with good topics for discussion as certain awesome people. It wasn't anything interesting anyway, but don't say I didn't answer. I keep my promises. :P

Oh Cookie. I think we don't have to be really scared that SPN board would be quiet during the break. You're so great to make everyone discuss. I admire your brain,lol. I wish my would work this way and analyze and process everything.

OK: Uriel and Lucifer, to name a few, are jealous (well, Uriel was 'til he bit the dust) of humans. They think we are God's faves. And I got to thinking . . . well, we should be, right?! God made the angels, basically, to simply be his servants and cheerleaders.

I don't know. Sure, you have a point about the angels who are meant to be more like soldiers of God then anything else. On the other side it doesn't seem to be gain prize to be God's favorites. I can't imagine that would be true, because I definitely agree there with Dean. Where's God, what he's waiting for?! If that would be the truth and we were his favorites, why he doesn't care or doesn't do anything. I know, it's kind of self- centred opinion and it'd be selfish to think God is here to look out for US, but as they like to say "the bigger picture" - why doesn't he help at least when it's the problem of whole word? I mean wars, disasters and stuff. It all makes me think, we're his favorites only because it's fun for him to watch all these poor bastards, how they're trying hardly to get through the day. I know that no believer would agree with me, but at least I've got Cal on my side here, I think. ^_^
So basically, I think humans have it harder. On the other hand, humans have it harder, because they make it hard for themselves. It's the way they treat each other, how selfish they are, how only things they care about are money and career. People are mean and hateful, so they pay for it. I mean generally speaking. As for the show, Dean and Sam (and other people) are nice and God still seems to enjoy torture them, bring them to tears, see them suffer. OR he just let that happen which is nearly the same.
Angels on the other hand are still quiet mysterious. I wonder what they were doing when they weren't around. It's hard to say how hard they have it, especially since we haven't seen how it looks like in Heaven. What we do know is that when Heaven doesn't like something, they don't hesitate a second and they kick someone's ass. They've got it easier, cause they don't feel emotion the way human beings do. Another chapter are of course angels like Castiel who's got close to humans and as we could see he was struggling for perfection, he wanted to be a good soldier, keep his faith and serve to Heaven, but he couldn't stop it and started to feel doubts and emotions,too. I agree that calling him spineless is not right. He's been trying to figure it all out. For the entire life (we're talking about thousands of years here), he's had the faith, he's been following orders, it was all he knew and now he just couldn't drop it all from one day to another. That's not easy to give up on everything he ever believed in, I'm sure of it.

And, obviously, they do have their own personalities. I'm even guessing this is at least one reason Castiel was chosen to guide Dean. There was something special about his personality that heaven knew would make him the best candidate for getting through to Dean.

Haha, can you imagine if they chose Uriel? At least we know someone who's choosing these duties is kind of smart. Dean would never get along with Uriel.
Talking about this, I've always been wondering why Castiel is the one. Why he was chosen to go for Dean to the Hell. I wish we would get to know this. He's not the strongest one, so it makes me think if they really chose him, because he's kind of emphatetic or if there's more behind it.

First: I'm getting a little tired of you people letting "real life" get in the way of your fan duties.

And where are you now angel?

I know, I know! Don't get me started on the God stuff! We could have the longest conversations!! I'm an atheist living in the Bible Belt; I never get to talk about this stuff with anyone and it sucks!!! My family thinks I'm going to hell! I'm truly the weird sheep of the family!

And I thought you're a theist. Good to hear that. And don't worry, in the end the Hell can be quiet fun. And at least me and Cal are gonna be there with ya ;P lol

How 'bout an even deeper point about God sucking (I'm so sorry, smiley and other religious people! Please don't hate me! I'm mostly talking about Supernatural God right here, anyway) . . . why make angels have the ability to feel anything other than adoration for Him or to be able to think beyond what they need to to praise Him and carry out His orders anyway?! Talk about cruel! He confines them to a certain realm, forced to live a certain way, yet gives them their own personalities and abilities to think for themselves and even feel!

You know, that's all pretty cruel. Actually angels&humans it's the same. Why he'd make us feel all the pain and doubts and fears? He could make us all nice, naive, strong, loving and it could be paradise on the Earth. But nope, he made us feeling pain. I know I know. Eve was a real evil bi*ch to eat the damn apple, but it still wasn't the reason to make the Earth and people so bad. Moreover, we all know this apple thing is only excuse and is the fairy tale, right ( I already feel how is devil pulling me down )

So, on the surface, the answer to my question does, indeed, seem to be humans. But what if there are angels up there who aren't happy with their lot? Who really are pretty tired of the whole hanging-around-praising-Him thing? Whose voices are getting a bit tired? (So to speak.) Who wish they could do more, be more . . . but don't feel they can? It's like Anna said, they don't have a real choice. It's pretty black and white for them. Humans are given choices every day of various types. I guess the bottom line is the same, but there are so many shades of grey and paths to take, etc. Mightn't it possibly be a worse thing to have you life pretty much exactly laid out for you; this is who and what you are and this is exactly what you must do, for all time, no matter what you feel, think or want? Wouldn't that be at least as bad, in its way?

TBH, I think it's all good for them. I think it's cool with them until they get to know there are ANY choices, decisions to make. Anna and Cas would probably live their shiny-praising-his-awesomness life, if they didn't get on the Earth and wouldn't experience something they didn't know. Once they get to know it, of course they've been struggling, having doubts, but I think that when they were in Heaven, they didn't mind that life at all.If you know what I mean. They had no idea there is other choice or way of living. I think since they got on the Earth, they actually got more humanic, so it's more like they get closer to people, more humanic, but still they have some powers to change it or so. I mean humans are too little to fight all the evil around here. I agree that it's not easy for ones like Cas and Anna either, but still look at Dean and Sam. That's incomparable.

Okie guys... I'm blind now... and half sleeping,too. I wish I would be that awesome to answer everything, because you all make great points, but I'm afraid I need to leave now.... I didn't manage to read all your posts,tho but I'll try to catch up.
Take care!

[ExtraCookie]

I like your philosphy.

But, for some, candy, the struggles and hardships (again, think of those starving to death. Dying of diseases, etc.) don't have a worthy payoff. That's all I meant.

Ignorance is bliss in some ways and is good for some things, yes. Certainly don't think that applies to being religious, though, nope.

You seem to be a glass-half-full person, and that's great. But, when one is really suffering in a down-and-dirty way & there's no possible end to it in sight (well, except the ultimate one) and what little benefits they may be getting from it cannot compare to the negative stuff, that just doesn't work. Realizing things could be worse doesn't fix a bad situation. (As a matter of fact, it makes one feel even worse, unless they're uncompassionate.) Would you say to someone who's mom just died, "It could be worse; your dad could've died too! Don't you feel better?" No. You're clearly a nice person who certainly would not. In fact, saying to someone, "Things could be worse" is an awful thing to say. It's OK if some spoiled, clueless brat needs a reality check (Some healthy person wailing and moaning over a stubbed toe while walking through a cancer ward, for instance), but it's normally an awful thing to say or think. I think we're both right. Positive things can be gained from negative ones. Agreed. But they're not always gained. In my case, whatever wisdom and appreciation I've gained from my personal struggles (and I fully admit to having gained some of those things. I certainly feel I'm more compassionate than the average person, for instance), it doesn't compare to the pain.

OK, and this stuff has to do WHAT with the original subject matter?! Um, the angels, they, uh, well, you see, they . . . yeah. Sidetracked!

Wow, this is getting really personal!! I think I'm done with that part! I'm pulling a Misha! *Insert something distractingly witty and funny here*

Candy, calena, I sent you two a PM, in case you think I'm avoiding your questions in earlier posts. You may wish I did, though!

[candyrose]

You seem to be a glass-half-full person, and that's great. But, when one is really suffering in a down-and-dirty way & there's no possible end to it in sight (well, except the ultimate one) and what little benefits they may be getting from it cannot compare to the negative stuff, that just doesn't work. Realizing things could be worse doesn't fix a bad situation. (As a matter of fact, it makes one feel even worse, unless they're uncompassionate.) Would you say to someone who's mom just died, "It could be worse; your dad could've died too! Don't you feel better?" No. You're clearly a nice person who certainly would not. In fact, saying to someone, "Things could be worse" is an awful thing to say. It's OK if some spoiled, clueless brat needs a reality check (Some healthy person wailing and moaning over a stubbed toe while walking through a cancer ward, for instance), but it's normally an awful thing to say or think. I think we're both right. Positive things can be gained from negative ones. Agreed. But they're not always gained. In my case, whatever wisdom and appreciation I've gained from my personal struggles (and I fully admit to having gained some of those things. I certainly feel I'm more compassionate than the average person, for instance), it doesn't compare to the pain.

Cookie, I see where you are coming from, but being a person that has been in situations, almost exactly, as the ones you have described, I can attest that it's not always as you describe.

Ah, I don't know how much to say here or even if I want to. Oh well, I'll try to give it a go.

Before I say anything else, the "mother dying" situation you described, sort of happened to me, although not exactly. See, I don't really have any parents. When I was younger, my father was in a terrible accident and he was in a coma. He's basically a vegetable. I never really had a father figure growing up. When my mother died, it had just been the two of us. I distinctly remember a comment someone made to me after hearing that my mother had died and I didn't have a father. This dude came right out and said sometimes it's better to have no parents at all than to have parents. He was basically implying that some parents are so cruel, so bad that some kids would be better off without parents at all. It wasn't exactly the best thing to hear at the time, but he did have a point.

Of course there are some situations when one feels like there is no end and sight and feels like there is only one ultimate option--at the very least, it speeds through their mind for a few brief seconds. I've been in situations where I didn't think anything was ever going to get better and pretty much thought it was the end of the road for me, but you can't really let it overcome you. You have to be strong and carry on. Plus, to be quite honest, when you're so used to having a bunch of really bad things happen, it gets to the point where you sort of get used to it and you don't get as down about it. There are times when bad things happen, things other people would think were completely horrible, but you don't really think they are that bad at all, probably because you have experienced much worse and they haven't. It's all a matter of perspective here.

Take the starving children with no clothes, for example. Yes, they suffer tremendously and it's a truly lamentable situation. It's appalling that this goes on in the world when, in theory, it could be eliminated. However, these people are happier with much less than, say, the average US citizens would be happy with. They don't demand 3course meal; they are happy when they just have food to put in their stomachs, and it isn't like they become easily dissatisfied when the food isn't exactly their favorite kind or doesn't have a taste they prefer. And these same people are happy just to have clothes to wear. it isn't like they get upset or dissatisfied when their clothes don't match or they have a rip or if they aren't super expensive. Think of how many people living here in the US who would feel like **** if they were forced to wear 2nd hand clothing. Because they have experienced such struggles, they are happier with less.

[ExtraCookie]

Candy, did a far-out fictional TV show really just make us say all that stuff?! I wonder what the writers would think/do think if they knew/know?! Probably, "Did I do that?!" If I were one of the writers, I'd be pleased! I say whatever (good thing) gets people thinking & discussing is good! It's late, I'm tired and my eyes hurt, so I may not make the best of sense at this point! I'll try to do better later, if needs be.

Thanks for sharing so much, you're braver than I am! Goodness, yeah, I think you must be the half-full type, cuz I think what the guy said at the time wasn't cool. (Not that I imagine I could've thought up anything better to say. I suck at things like that!) Sure, it's true for the person who has cruel parents, but not for the other ones. (I'm hoping you were in the "other" category.) It's great for you to be able to take that approach, though. If you can feel better from a comment like "Things could be worse," I think you're surely a rare person. I don't think most people do. To me, in fact, it's like taking comfort in others' pain. For me, if I'm really suffering, the idea that someone else is going through something worse makes me feel even worse; now, not only am I hurting for myself, I'm hurting for them. There's this awful line from that Band Aid song, "Do They Know it's Christmas?" (Man, that song's lame! Hey, Band Aid? If someone doesn't know it's Christmas, it's most likely because they're not Christians and don't care! And since when is it terrible that there's no snow?!), "Well, tonight, thank God it's them instead of you!" Uh . . . WHAT?!! Did Bono just sing that?! Yep, he did! Wow. I know that's not exactly what we're discussing, but it's in a similar vein; kind of the extreme of what we're saying. I do understand what you meant about being more grateful for little things and not sweating the small stuff as much as others, though. I totally agree, too! I do get amazed at the things people will gripe about! My point, with God in the picture, however, was that there was no need for anyone to suffer ever. There's only a reason if He chooses for there to be. I'm feeling like I need to watch some George Carlin now! " . . .He has a special place, full of fire and smoke and burning and torture and anguish, where he will send you to live and suffer and burn and choke and scream and cry forever and ever 'til the end of time! But He loves you. He loves you, and He needs money!"

I kind of forgot what we were talking about orignially. I've kind of drowned here! So, an ignorant starving person is better off than a wiser, tougher person who's living comfortably? I've gotten confused! Help!

So I'll just summarize by saying both Supernatural angels (at least some, including Cas and Anna) and humans have it pretty rough! (Ha! Bet you thought I couldn't swim my way back to the topic! But I can, I am just that cool! )

And, helps, I agree. Cas and Anna may well have been content to go on forever as they were, had it not been for their unfortunate Earth assignments. How cruel if God expects angels who get those assignments to still function the same as the ones who never do! And "shiny-praising-his-awesomeness life" is my new fave phrase! I don't know what you're studying to be (yes, that's a hint to tell me), but I think maybe you should just be a comedienne!

Oh Cookie. I think we don't have to be really scared that SPN board would be quiet during the break. You're so great to make everyone discuss. I admire your brain,lol. I wish my would work this way and analyze and process everything.

OK, seriously? That was so super sweet of you to say! I feel like I'm the only person who didn't go to college (or university, foreigners; whatever!) in here (I probably am!) and am not so fond of my brain, so, even if you were just kidding, THANK YOU! My ego is boosted! Maybe it's all this Supernatural discussion with smart people that has sharpened it! Why, at this rate, I'll be a genius by next year! Maybe Supernatural should be taught in schools?! And looks to me like you're analyzing and processing the same as the rest of us, so what are you on about, W.F.W.M. Woman?! You thought I was a theist?! *Snicker* Why, because I adore Cas so much?! So, you're a member of the S.A.C. (Ha!) too, then. Excellent! Don't forget those dues! And, yes, all the woes of humans are women's fault. Thanks a lot, Eve! Hope your freakin' apple was worth it!

Oh, man, Uriel trying to guide Dean! Dean would've been reduced to ashes in "Are You There . . .?" Right there in Bobby's kitchen! After his 1st or 2nd sentence! See, if you paid attention intead of having a life, you'd know I already posed the question of why Cas was the one for Dean (hey, don't get slashy, you perv!) in Cas's thread. I'm hurt.

You mentioned your English somewhere or another. If it makes you feel any better, I usually understand you just fine. And I enjoy the (tiny, occasional) challenge of figuring it out! Also, using it regularly here will surely improve it. (I'm sure that's what made calena's so good!) So, you can say posting here is not only entertaining, but educational! Be sure to tell that to anyone if they accuse you of spending too much time here. Also, I doubt I'd be brave enough to post in a forum in a language that wasn't my native one! I really admire that! I wish I were multilingual!

Yeah, my eyes are killing me now, too. I feel like I have just beheld Cas's true visage. Ouch. Later!

[ExtraCookie]

Hm. I probably would have unconditionally agreed with you weren't it for PB having jumped the shark. Did you ever watch Prison Break? I used to love the show, then they did something really stupid, and from that point on the show was ruined for me. I can't remember it fondly. And in a way I feel betrayed, because in it's first season I loved it almost as much as I now do SPN. So I wish they had stopped at S3 instead of ruining the show for me with S4. Sure, I'd have complained if it had been cancelled, but at least I'd have my fond memories! Of course I could have stopped watching. But I still would have known they ruined it.

To the point now: If Eric Kripke isn't in for a 6th season, I won't be very happy about a S6. Ok, the SPN writers are great, but the risk that it goes horribly wrong without Eric is a very real one. While I'd love to have SPN around for 6 or 7 seasons, if the desicion is it going downhill or stopping at 5 I'm for the later.

So, when PB (I never got into it because something or other else I liked and was already into was on when it was, I think, so didn't watch. But saw enough commercials, etc. to think I'd like it. And to, ya know, think Wentworth is easy on the eyes. Does he ever make any facial expression besides a glare, though? Smile, Went, smile!) jumped said shark, do you think everyone agreed? Do you think there weren't other fans out there who did like it fine? Or who, at least, didn't let it affect them to the point that they couldn't remember it fondly? For me, I'll remember Supernatural fondly no matter what. Even if it takes a turn that I don't like, it won't kiill all the joy it's already given me. If it should get unbearable for me at some point, I'll sadly turn the channel and hold my own memorial service. If any of you here are of the same mind, then we can have one together online, I guess. We can dress in black and light candles; the whole works. I'll realize that some fans may still be enjoying it and be glad the show at least gave it a shot. When there's potential for such greatness, why punk out because you're scared it won't happen? If it ends badly, I'll pretend it didn't go down that way. I'll think up my own ending. That'll soothe me. Even if it doesn't, I won't feel like the show should end just because I'm not happy with it; others may be happy with it.

So, there, Miss Selfish! Don't you do anything that could take away my seasons 6 and 7! Do I need to get a charm to ward off your no-seasons-past-5-w/o-Eric negativity?! I bet helps could find me one in her weirdo country that we Americans (with the exception of Misha) haven't heard of. Checkers & Slaw Republic or whatever it is. I think 7 would be perfect, now that there's Cas. I think, if the writers don't drop the ball, there's a wealth of story in him. AND said story could add to the Winchesters' story, of course, and there's plenty of story for them, too. I know it may be an unpopular view, but I'd be totally satisfied if they basically went back to monster hunting. With Cas and his storyline staying around, of course.

Oh, and I'm not scared of the show without Eric. I'd prefer Eric be involved, but I think it's a tight enough crew to pick up the ball just fine. I trust them. He probably wouldn't be able to resist tossing out some advice here and there, anyway.

[helps]

And, helps, I agree. Cas and Anna may well have been content to go on forever as they were, had it not been for their unfortunate Earth assignments. How cruel if God expects angels who get those assignments to still function the same as the ones who never do! And "shiny-praising-his-awesomeness life" is my new fave phrase!

That's actually a great point, you're making. God seems to be cruel, but Christians have answers for everything. Why is life rough for us? Because of Adam&Eve. I wonder what angels did to God that he gave 'em emotions and doubts. As you pointed out, he could easily make them more like mandroids - just perfect, give them only one emotion - to love him. I don't know as I'm not exactly believer, I don't know much about this stuff. But at least for the show God is very cruel. (but we know that God is cruel in RL, too - of course, when ones believe there's God).
Oh, thank you. I'm glad you enjoy at least something in my posts,lol.

I don't know what you're studying to be (yes, that's a hint to tell me), but I think maybe you should just be a comedienne!

I'm not studying anything at the moment. Oh wait, I'm studying you right now. Other then that, I'm going to the university in October, I think. I'm gonna study english and social sciences (which, how Calena reminded me, is the same thing as Misha studied,lol. What a coincidence. I'm gonna be second Misha and then work in White House. ^_^). I hope it's not gonna be boring or anything. Hope my subjects are gonna be good.
A comedienne? Oh,I'm gonna pack my stuff and going right to Holywood, I know they can't wait to have me there.

OK, seriously? That was so super sweet of you to say! I feel like I'm the only person who didn't go to college (or university, foreigners; whatever!) in here (I probably am!) and am not so fond of my brain, so, even if you were just kidding, THANK YOU! My ego is boosted!

I'm serious! Hon, the thing is that it doesn't matter at all if you went to college or not. It doesn't mean that the smartest people study at college. People get smart, because of life experience, reading, watching the world around them and when they're so amazingly thoughtful as you&girls on here.
YOU'RE WELCOME. ^^

Maybe it's all this Supernatural discussion with smart people that has sharpened it! Why, at this rate, I'll be a genius by next year! Maybe Supernatural should be taught in schools?!

Definitely. Because writers are genius and they put on the table many issues. It's not only beautiful story they write, but it also make you think about "stuff". I'd advise to start with SPN at 3rd class or so. We don't wanna make kids watch eps like Bloody Mary when they're too young.

And looks to me like you're analyzing and processing the same as the rest of us, so what are you on about, W.F.W.M. Woman?!

You're too cute. But my brain is retarded. ;P
I'm not... or just slightly on W.F.W.M. Oh you call me Woman now? You little idjit, I don't mind callin' a girl at all. I just think that little is not that true anymore, but if I can choose, I take little girl over woman.

You thought I was a theist?! *Snicker* Why, because I adore Cas so much?! So, you're a member of the S.A.C. (Ha!) too, then. Excellent! Don't forget those dues! And, yes, all the woes of humans are women's fault. Thanks a lot, Eve! Hope your freakin' apple was worth it!

I don't know why, but I tought that. Not because you like Cas, because then I'd be at the same situation. *gg* Oh, there's a club actually. What exactly those letters stand for? Secret? Smart? Silent? Solid? Soaked? Sour? Atheist club? I guess. Whatever. Good to be part of this. ^^
Of course, women's fault. Yes, I hope she enjoyed that bite, 'cause we all suffer because of her. But maybe God let them starving, maybe they hadn't eaten for weeks, so she just took the bite. Poor thing that she caused all the pain.

Oh, man, Uriel trying to guide Dean! Dean would've been reduced to ashes in "Are You There . . .?" Right there in Bobby's kitchen! After his 1st or 2nd sentence! See, if you paid attention intead of having a life, you'd know I already posed the question of why Cas was the one for Dean (hey, don't get slashy, you perv!) in Cas's thread. I'm hurt.

I'm so sorry to miss that the dearest Cookie. That had to be one of the moments when I was gone. I'm sorry to have a life.
Haha, if you didn't make a note about being slashy, I wouldn't even think of it. See, you're like Misha. You two make me being gutterish. I'm quite ok last few days and you mention it. How am I supposed to get better and boring normal when you two keep me thinking dirty??! That's all your fault. But I might make slashy study why Dean's good for Cas and Cas for Dean.

I doubt I'd be brave enough to post in a forum in a language that wasn't my native one! I really admire that! I wish I were multilingual!

Brave. I hear that too often lately. I don't find anything about me being brave, TBH. And althought my english sucks, God made me a way that I don't care too much about what people think. *gg* I can survive when you think I'm slightly an idjit. That's fine, I am.

Don't you do anything that could take away my seasons 6 and 7!

I agree with your POV Cookie. I wanna to be there season 6 and maybe 7. I admit I'm not scared at all that anything could ruin it for me. All writers do the great job, all actors are more then awesome and the story gets better with every season. I don't think there could happen anyting so bizzare like in PB. Even if it'd get slightly worse, there's no way any of the writers would make such a mistake. I've learnt all of the writers are great and know boys and story well. They write them sensitively and I'm sure they wouldn't keep on going if there wasn't good material to work with.
Moreover for example Misha said it like two thousand times that he didn't hear anything saying that 5th season would be the last one for sure. Apparently it was the way that Eric came to CW(or whatever company) and told them that he has five seasons of the story, but it doesn't mean that it has to be only five seasons,imo.
I hope that there's gonna be at least season six,too. I believe there's still a lot to say.

I know it may be an unpopular view, but I'd be totally satisfied if they basically went back to monster hunting. With Cas and his storyline staying around, of course.

It's hard to imagine that they would go back, but if writers managed it well, I'd like it. I actually heard a lot of fans who'd like to get this monster hunting back. I can't only imagine how it'd work now. But with upcoming apocalypse, there's gonna be some hunting, that's for sure. Who's gonna hunt who is the question.

Oh and if we wouldn't be fortunate enough to get more then five or six seasons,I'd love to get Castiel spin-off. There's a lot to tell about his past and how it's going in Heaven, those angelic battles, hierarchy and stuff.

Do I need to get a charm to ward off your no-seasons-past-5-w/o-Eric negativity?! I bet helps could find me one in her weirdo country that we Americans (with the exception of Misha) haven't heard of. Checkers & Slaw Republic or whatever it is.

Are you on something? Why do you think you can find a charm in my country? I don't think that a charm from CR would help you, candy seems to be immune against it.
LoL. This sounds like I have some problem with americans. That's not true, I love USA, hopefully get to visit so awesome country and I find americans great. I don't blame americans for not knowing CR, 'cause let's face it, it's not a big country and they don't need to bother to know it. ;P Of course, Misha is my king, who rules the world, so he needs to know where his the most loyal minion is from.*gg*
ROFL. Checkers & Slaw isn't that far from the truth actually. I'm honestly sick worried for smiley coming to Prague, because people here can be rude, criminality is surely higher then in UK. I mean people in UK are way too nice. People in here are way too bad. We are used to it, so we are careful, but I'd hate if anything happened to smiley while she's gonna be here. So overall your name for my country fits well.