4.20 Rapture Discussion

[Terri]

I cant believe no one has posted this... discuss away.

[candyrose]

Thanks for starting the thread, but you didn't post anything
Did you not watch the episode?

SPN was absolutely awesome this week!!!

It was really good to see more of Casty. Okay, technically it wasn't Casty the entire time, but still.....

I love how they ended it with Dean and Bobby locking up Sam. I was beginning to wonder when Dean didn't have anything to say when Sam decided to take it upon himself to bring up "the topic." Dean doesn't give up that easily.

It's pretty obvious Sam is heading down an ugly path. We literally saw Sam feast on a demon like he was some sort of a monster. It was an ugly picture. Sam bit into the neck; there was a thick ring of blood around his mouth. It wasn't the glossed up and glamorized image image that comes to mind when we think of drinking blood. The previews for the upcoming episodes were even more interesting in this regard. In the preview, we saw Sam appeared to be morphing into something not quite so natural.....maybe even a monster. His face was etched with black veins protruding through his skin. His eyes were darkened and full of rage. We even saw a defeated Dean, lying on the ground, as he Sam is leaving the room. This small clip implies that Sam could have possibly attacked Dean, and maybe even tried to kill him. And, then, of course, we see the angels discussing how there is only one seal left to be broken. And with all the focus on Sam, and the drastic changes he has undergone, we can conclude that Sam will be the one to break the final seal.

[helps]

OMG that was freaking awesome!!

I'm there with candy. For us this ep was especially great. First of all so many scenes with Misha ^^ He's so amazing actor. I loved him so much in this ep. That was nice to see some history how it happened. And I was really glad that he finally showed up and in the end decided to choose Jimmy's body. On the other hand that ending with his 'I'm here to serve the Heaven,not man, certainly Im not here to serve you' was soooo .

Sam. Sam.. another thing is that now it showed up that me and candy were right. How could anyone be on Sam's side after this? I'm not saying I hate him or anything, but he's deffo like a monster now. It was insane to watch him, thirsty, like he had no control over himself. Ruby is playing a big game here, she obviously have control over Sam and gets him where she wants to have him. She didn't call him back, she refused to give him blood and I'm pretty sure it was all on purpose!!
I'm actually really glad Dean is now with Bobby working together. It's great to have Bobby back <3 and moreover Dean needs someone by his side, needs someone older with experiences.

I'm scared as hell about next episodes,because Sam apparently don't manage it at all and it seems that he's gonna stand against Dean as well. And how crazy is that that even when he probably will know that killing Lilith is gonna cause apocalypse, he's still gonna do that?!!!I told you so, he's not the hero, he was just weak and broken after Dean left him when he went to the Hell and he let Ruby manipulate him. That's it. One huge mistake. Now he's the one who is the threat. Certain ppl knows that since the beginning

[candyrose]

Oh helps, I am so glad you're here. Since none of the Dean haters are currently in the thread, I think we should take the opportunity to really expose Sam for what he really is.

I loved seeing how Casty came to occupy Jimmy's body. The story was a little sad,though. His faithful Christian family didn't believe him when he first told them about Casty and how he had been chosen. It makes me wonder how strong they were in their faith in God and their faith and trust in Jimmy.

Casty's last line really was a surprise. I really wanted to know what was so important he had to tell Dean, but I guess we'll never know now. You could kind of tell he had really sacrificed a lot because of Dean.

I really want to know what happens between Sam and Dean because I swear it looked like Sam had attacked Dean. He was a little bloody and on the ground; Sam was standing over him. Did Sam do that to Dean? Was he trying to kill his own brother or just try to get him out of the way?

We so need to make a still shot of Sam looking all gruesome and icky. I think I want a new sig. with Sam looking like that.

Great point about Ruby knowing what was going to happen! She had to have known he was addicted and if she didn't call him back and supply him with the goods, he was going to lose it and lash out at another demon. And, of course, she probably anticipated Dean would see it when it happened, which would pull the brothers apart. And it's perfect timing too, since there is only one seal left to be broken.

[helps]

Oh helps, I am so glad you're here. Since none of the Dean haters are currently in the thread, I think we should take the opportunity to really expose Sam for what he really is.

I'm so glad to have you!Since we're a minority, it's always nice to have someone by my/your side,right ^^ Yes, let's talk about how horrible/disgusting/bad/silly/unbelievable things he has done or which ones he's gonna do.
You know,I think girls are even scared to come on here,lol.

I loved seeing how Casty came to occupy Jimmy's body. The story was a little sad,though. His faithful Christian family didn't believe him when he first told them about Casty and how he had been chosen. It makes me wonder how strong they were in their faith in God and their faith and trust in Jimmy.

Yes, I agree it was also sad. Poor Jimmy wanted to explain it to his wife and while she said she believes in God and angels, she didn't believe him that story. It's kind of weird right. It could be made on purpose by writers - I mean that some christians claim they believe in God, but when it comes to real believing, when they have it right in front of their faces, they refuse to believe the miracle. Jimmy's story is really sad and I dislike Sam for being so .. I don't know which words is convenient here. hard? or too straight?! anyways I really didn't like the way he told Jimmy that there's no coming back etc. It says a lot about Sam,too. I mean while he's a nearly monster, it makes you feel that he really would have loved to live normal life, that he hates this. But the point is that he didn't have to be like that to Jimmy.
BTW, that was amazing how Misha portreyed Jimmy and Cas in totally different way <3.

Casty's last line really was a surprise. I really wanted to know what was so important he had to tell Dean, but I guess we'll never know now. You could kind of tell he had really sacrificed a lot because of Dean.

Yes, it was a surprise, but I don't wanna know what they did him in the Heaven. Anna seemed really worrying about Cas,too. It looks like that the Heaven doesn't have to be so great all the time. Damn thing. I wish we knew what Cas wanted to tell Dean. It had to be pretty important and probably that he wanted to tell it Dean, caused that other angels dragged him out.
I don't know if we can call it a sacrifice,but definitely Cas has changed a lot since he met Dean. They both influenced each other in a good way. Dean has a faith again and Cas get to know that the world isn't just black and white - evil or good. There are shades of grey and he also learnt that it's up to him to decide what's wrong and what's good. I hope he's gonna be back and help Dean.

I really want to know what happens between Sam and Dean because I swear it looked like Sam had attacked Dean. He was a little bloody and on the ground; Sam was standing over him. Did Sam do that to Dean? Was he trying to kill his own brother or just try to get him out of the way?

I guess that the most probable is that he wanted to get him out of the way. And after all Dean tried to kill Ruby right. Wow,what if Sam is gonna be like her soldier and defend her? O_o Maybe Sam will be pissed off that Dean and Bobby locked him up and as he's really acting like a thirsty animal, he could try to get them out of the way. That really is sad story. This season is getting the most intense and dark.

We so need to make a still shot of Sam looking all gruesome and icky. I think I want a new sig. with Sam looking like that.

I might do one for u when I get some free time What text would u like? Sam thirsty animal/monster? lol

Great point about Ruby knowing what was going to happen! She had to have known he was addicted and if she didn't call him back and supply him with the goods, he was going to lose it and lash out at another demon. And, of course, she probably anticipated Dean would see it when it happened, which would pull the brothers apart. And it's perfect timing too, since there is only one seal left to be broken.

Yes, she's sneaky little bi*ch. When you look back at all that happened. It was all her plan how I thought. When I imagine her smirk and how she caressed Sam while he was sucking her blood. Exactly she knew that when he won't get her blood that he will look for it somewhere else. What if she sent demons to kill Jimmy and at that ocassion she had to know that Sam wouldn't have his powers and wouldn't care about Dean being there,but sucked blood. I know that I've read in some mag that Ruby is gonna play a big role in this season. and here we go. She's toying with Sam and he's under her control. I'm sure that he's not gonna care about the world, Dean, Bobby, but will do anything for Ruby,just to get her blood and kill Lilith.

[candyrose]

You may be right, but it still didn't look so good. He could have seriously hurt Dean, or worse. Plus, how could he choose Ruby over Dean is beyond my level of comprehension. Okay, maybe not, since we know Ruby has what Sam wants: demon blood.

Did Sam ever stop and think about all the things Lilith said to him? Did he ever stop and wonder why it seemed to easy to find her (in the next episodes, I mean)? Why wouldn't she try to get away from him? See, Sam doesn't think about these things. I think it's more than obvious, at this point, Lilith wants Sam to kill her...she knows he has to be done.

Yes, it is totally nice to have someone here who shares the same thoughts. Plus, I absolutely love you, girl....always and 4ever.

Maybe Casty knew how the final seal was going to be broken and was going to tell Dean? I have no idea, but that makes the most sense to me.

I think you're right on about Sam being rather pathetic and vulnerable. Dean has always looked out for Sam, and with Dean in hell, Sam needed someone to take his place. Ruby ending up being that person...thing. She sort of looked after him, or so he thought, and taught him how to use his powers. At that point, she was also something familiar to Sam. The brothers don't really have that. They have each other and Bobby--not much else.

Yes, I like "Bloodthirsty Demon Groupie Sam."

[helps]

You may be right, but it still didn't look so good. He could have seriously hurt Dean, or worse. Plus, how could he choose Ruby over Dean is beyond my level of comprehension. Okay, maybe not, since we know Ruby has what Sam wants: demon blood.

Sure, it looked awful. Dean on the floor and Sam didn't seem to hurry to help him up. He just looked at him and if I can judge from that shot, he didn't seem very caring. It's totally beyond me,too. You know, I was suspicious since the beginning, didn't like Sam doing this, thought Ruby has own agenda. On the other side I'm shocked now,lol. Maybe I started to believe that I'm too pessimistic, but now here it is. Sam is 'going over dead bodies'. Not literally yet, but it might come soon. Only thing he cared about this ep was getting blood. That says a lot.

Did Sam ever stop and think about all the things Lilith said to him? Did he ever stop and wonder why it seemed to easy to find her (in the next episodes, I mean)? Why wouldn't she try to get away from him? See, Sam doesn't think about these things. I think it's more than obvious, at this point, Lilith wants Sam to kill her...she knows he has to be done.

No I don't think that he would stop and think about it. My friend wrote on her site in one review that he made these excuses for himself - that he was telling himself that he wanna stop the apocalypse, kill the Lilith, help Dean with all that thing. I think all these are valid points and I believe he had a good intentions. On the other hand there's no excuse for what he's became and he should think twice before he does something.

Yes, it is totally nice to have someone here who shares the same thoughts. Plus, I absolutely love you, girl....always and 4ever.

Aww *hugs* Believe me, I couldn't be more happy that someone agrees with me and share the same opinions.
I've always loved you, you know that

Maybe Casty knew how the final seal was going to be broken and was going to tell Dean? I have no idea, but that makes the most sense to me.

Yes, that make a total sense. BUT.. why would other angels stop Casty? Why he couldn't tell that Dean? That would/should be good for all of them if Dean was warned and locked up Sam,imo. It's quite mystery, why they didn't want him to warn Dean.
About Cas/MIsha. Lol I had to laugh when Jimmy was hungry and silly faces boys had I got hungry,too. Cas was all the way awesome in this ep.

I think you're right on about Sam being rather pathetic and vulnerable. Dean has always looked out for Sam, and with Dean in hell, Sam needed someone to take his place. Ruby ending up being that person...thing. She sort of looked after him, or so he thought, and taught him how to use his powers. At that point, she was also something familiar to Sam. The brothers don't really have that. They have each other and Bobby--not much else.

Yes. It's sad, but probably true. He was lost without Dean, he wanted to get some self-control and basically he was looking for some control over his life. When Ruby came and suggested him to help him with powers, while he hesitated for awhile, he decided to hear her. Let her help him adn train him. This shouldn't have happened in the first place. He should've known that demons aren't trustful and that it's gonna end bloody. It was wrong since the beginning, I'm just surprised that we were only ones to bash about it.

Yes, I like "Bloodthirsty Demon Groupie Sam."

I will do it asap

[candyrose]

Ooh, I thought about another one much simpler: "Ruby's B*tch." Then there should be an arrow pointing at Sam's face. Ah, I don't know.

I don't think he was going to help Dean off the floor; I think he was the one who put him there. It looked that way, at least. It doesn't really matter what his intentions were and if he had to fight the urge to really do some damage to Dean. The point is Sam has come a long way. He's more prone to giving Dean a hard time, and he has said and done some hateful things in the past.

I'm surprised as well, but it must be that frakking hair everyone is obsessed over. LOL. Now wait...just wait...maybe Kripke...at the very end...will have Sam kill Dean, or really try to. I wonder what kinds of excuses people would come up for Sam then? It probably won't happen, but damn fans would have a field day with that one. As dark as this show is, I really can't see a sunshine-glowing happy ending.

I love you too!!! I'm in one of those moods today.

[helps]

Ooh, I thought about another one much simpler: "Ruby's B*tch." Then there should be an arrow pointing at Sam's face. Ah, I don't know.

lol, I will do my best, I promise we will see how it comes up. I have actually an idea and I will see how it works together ^^ hope you will like it.

I don't think he was going to help Dean off the floor; I think he was the one who put him there. It looked that way, at least. It doesn't really matter what his intentions were and if he had to fight the urge to really do some damage to Dean. The point is Sam has come a long way. He's more prone to giving Dean a hard time, and he has said and done some hateful things in the past.

Yes, you're right. I rewatched the ep and he definitely threw Dean over the room, poor Dean hit the mirror and then fell on the floor. It was actually pretty obvious Sam attacked him when I rewatched it. *grrrrrrr* THat boy drives me insane. I agree. While I understood his intentions, I'm done with forgiveness. He really has been awful to Dean, told him terrible things and now is even gonna stand against him why?! Just to make his damn revenge and most of all for getting blood. But I can't imagine how I will like him in s5. I mean he's probably going to be a good puupy-eyed Sammy, but I'd wanna slap him if he was in s5 old Sammy,because he'd be sorry and all. I'm sure of it, but I couldn't overlook all this mess he has created.And at the top of all, he can't control himself, he's really like things they used to haunt.

I'm surprised as well, but it must be that frakking hair everyone is obsessed over. LOL. Now wait...just wait...maybe Kripke...at the very end...will have Sam kill Dean, or really try to. I wonder what kinds of excuses people would come up for Sam then? It probably won't happen, but damn fans would have a field day with that one. As dark as this show is, I really can't see a sunshine-glowing happy ending.

LoL, but you know I love Jared and his hair,too. But it has nothing to do with Sam himself. He's freakin' me out and I really can't make any excuse for him after last ep. Maybe we're gonna get Sam trying to kill Dean. But accordance to what we're gonna see soon, we're gonna see Sam attacking Dean which is already bad enough. I'm interested about excuses for this thirsty-messy-monster-Sam.I really am interested in, because in my eyes no excuses - no good intentions excuse,no stopping apocalypse excuse - can satisfy me at this point. But maybe if I spent whole night looking at pic of his hair, maybe I could think up something, what do u think?

I love you too!!! I'm in one of those moods today.

I love you more!!! I was really sad when you weren't around and always came only to chat about new ep for awhile. Happy to have u back,tho.

[candyrose]

Really sad? But hun, you always know where to find me! I'm on BTV, Myspace, and Facebook. Oh, I haven't looked at the other pages in awhile.

LoL, but you know I love Jared and his hair,too. But it has nothing to do with Sam himself. He's freakin' me out and I really can't make any excuse for him after last ep. Maybe we're gonna get Sam trying to kill Dean. But accordance to what we're gonna see soon, we're gonna see Sam attacking Dean which is already bad enough. I'm interested about excuses for this thirsty-messy-monster-Sam.I really am interested in, because in my eyes no excuses - no good intentions excuse,no stopping apocalypse excuse - can satisfy me at this point. But maybe if I spent whole night looking at pic of his hair, maybe I could think up something, what do u think?

LMAO....thirsty-messy-monster-Sam. Do you think you could do it? How long would you have to stare at his hair for it to have an effect? It certainly wouldn't be good if you had to sit in front of the computer screen, nonstop, for an entire week. I don't know, Helps. Sam has been a bad, bad boy, and it's going to take a lot of convincing. Plus, his hair can't be so spectacular now with all the messy blood drinking he's been doing. His hair is probably all knotted and stuck together--not a good thing for hair.