4.20 Rapture Discussion

[Calena]

helps, you are aware that candy won't be at the con, aren't you. I'll get you all on your own there! *stares at helps with narrowed eyes*

True!! Valid point!! But of course poor Dean didn't certainly think that his brother is gonna pay him back by standing against him, sneaking around with demon and causing apocalypse! Sorry but back in s2 was everything different. It wouldn't cross my mind that Sam is gonna becom hell bi**h.

True, but that was not what I was getting at. If Dean hadn't found a way to bring Sam back, what road would Dean have gone down? Wouldn't he have become cold, cynical, angry and pissed, too? Can you really blame Sam for reacting the way he did to Dean's death? Expecially in the knowledge Dean sacrificed himself and that he was in hell? Dean could at least have hoped that Sam was in heaven. Sam basically was suicidal, he wanted to be killed during a hunt, and yes, it was Ruby who saved him. Her reasons for that may not have been noble, but that fact remains.

Look at the past few episodes, where he's pretty much wanted to pull others into it.

If Adam hat known about monsters he would have been able to defend himself.

Probably you're right, but obviously he's addicted on Ruby's when he's gonna suck her next ep,too instead of sucking any other demon. Maybe she has special blood.

If it's not Ruby, but Meg, it could be she has special blood. But I think he drinks from Ruby because she lets him, whereas he would have to tie other demons down.
It still isn't confirmed that Ruby is evil and works for Lucifer.

Ah, John K. and I will laugh on the day it turns out Sam actually saved the world, ye with little faith!

[helps]

Why you thank me?^

Anyways great points about Sam's POV. I agree with everything. I think it's partly about good intentionts, partly about getting stronger and getting his control back and as you sad about revenge. Yes, it's obvious and no one can argue it's not,because he said it himself in WIshful thinking. While if there was space for Dean to tell what he wishes, he'd surely say normal life or safety for Sam or to get back his family or sth lke that, Sam said he wanna Lilith's head on a plate, bloody. You're right he seemed to wanna get others into it and was angry all around. He probably gave up for good on getting normal life, but it also mean he doesn't care anymore about anything. Too bad,tho.
I remember that ep like it was yesterday. Sam was pissed that Dean didnt tell him before and was like 'what are u freaked out Im turning into some monster?'... This sounds quite funny now. After what we've seen in the last ep.

[candyrose]

Don't threaten her or I will have to show up at the con!!!!!!

Helps, I went to the links you provided and both of them were lyrics. Which one is the sig?

[Calena]

Originally Posted by candyrose

Don't threaten her or I will have to show up at the con!!!!!!

If that's the case I'll threaten her even more!

[helps]

helps, you are aware that candy won't be at the con, aren't you. I'll get you all on your own there! *stares at helps with narrowed eyes*

I seriously advise you to not even start about it at con, cause I'm very very stubborn and quite easily get pissed off Nope, you really shouldn't start with Sam when Im around. Unless you wanna announce he's silly for what he's doin.

True, but that was not what I was getting at. If Dean hadn't found a way to bring Sam back, what road would Dean have gone down? Wouldn't he have become cold, cynical, angry and pissed, too? Can you really blame Sam for reacting the way he did to Dean's death? Expecially in the knowledge Dean sacrificed himself and that he was in hell? Dean could at least have hoped that Sam was in heaven.

Well, you can say whatever you want, but he wouldn't be friending demons. He would become much darker and angry, but he would use it in haunting demons, I'm sure. I'm not saying I'm Sam hater or that I don't understand what led him this way. But I don't/never will understand how he could let it go that far, that he let Ruby to take control over him adn became 'monster'. Really it's not normal what he's doing. And he's gonna attack Dean in next ep. Sorry it's nothing personal from me to Sam, but I know that Dean would never do that. It was selfish from Dean, but he did it, because of his love for Sam. And don't forget that John brought Dean up the way that he was lookin after Sam, he practically made it the only sense of Dean's life. ANd if you remember Dean was blaming himself for letting that happen to Sam. I actually believe that he thought he owe it to Sam, because he wasn't there to help him out. It's the way Dean thinks.

If Adam hat known about monsters he would have been able to defend himself.

I agree. But Dean was right about it,too. It was only Sam thinking that it'd make him prepared, it's what he's learnt, but he forgot that there might be a normal life and that he didn't have to live life the way tehy do. You could argue that he was Winchester etc. It doesn't matter both boys were right. I wouldn't wanna mess kid's life as well.

Sam basically was suicidal, he wanted to be killed during a hunt, and yes, it was Ruby who saved him. Her reasons for that may not have been noble, but that fact remains.

Ahh, she's such a sweetheart. I think I fell in love with her Yes, maybe her intentions aren't noble, but she's still so sweet and caring. She's doing it just to be nice. Awwwwwwww.

Ah, John K. and I will laugh on the day it turns out Sam actually saved the world, ye with little faith!

I'm curious what are u gonna do when it shows up we were right and he's the one causing apocalypse?? I mean you better start preparing for that. It's quite apparent it's gonna happen.

Don't threaten her or I will have to show up at the con!!!!!!

Aw, that would be amazing <3. Cal u can threaten me.

Helps, I went to the links you provided and both of them were lyrics. Which one is the sig?

Sorry it's second link. I edited it

[Calena]

I seriously advise you to not even start about it at con, cause I'm very very stubborn and quite easily get pissed off Nope, you really shouldn't start with Sam when Im around. Unless you wanna announce he's silly for what he's doin.

I certainly won't say that. But it's all about making an impression on the boys, so we could start a catfight, hair pulling, screaming, in the line when we wait for the autos, and when they asked us what it's all about, we could explain. Let's see on whose side Jared is!

It was selfish from Dean, but he did it, because of his love for Sam. And don't forget that John brought Dean up the way that he was lookin after Sam, he practically made it the only sense of Dean's life. ANd if you remember Dean was blaming himself for letting that happen to Sam. I actually believe that he thought he owe it to Sam, because he wasn't there to help him out. It's the way Dean thinks.

That's true and a very good point.

I'm curious what are u gonna do when it shows up we were right and he's the one causing apocalypse?? I mean you better start preparing for that. It's quite apparent it's gonna happen.

Well, the one who started apocalypse will always be Dean, since he broke the first seal. Literary symmetry might have it that Sam breaks the last one. But since I don't think SPN will end with the end of the world, even when the last seal gets broken they will find some way to remedy that in S5. And I predict that Sam will play a huge role in this. He's the one who will ultimately bring balance to the force, mark my words. Not that you'd get the SW analogy. But candy will.

BTW, candy, I told E. yesterday that Dean is now Yoda, and he nearly screamed at me, he was that upset that I would make this comparison to his beloved Dean, who used to be Han Solo. I rethought it, though, and I now think Dean might be more like Obi-Wan. Still advising caution and not grapsing the brilliance of Anakin, but not so stubbornly set in old ways.

Aw, that would be amazing <3. Cal u can threaten me.

Ok, then. Remember it's all for bringing candy to the UK!
helps, if you won't stop bashing Sam, I will make a t-shirt for the con, with an arrow that points at you (I'll be always on the side of you, so the arrow points at you) and the t-shirt will say: "I'm with a Sammy-hater"

[candyrose]

I don't care what Dean did or didn't do......it's all up to Sammy now. I mean, just look at the different contexts. I'd say Sam should know better. It isn't like he is in hell. It isn't like he's not surrounded by people who love him.

Maybe Lucifer will use Sam as a meat suit, kind of like Casty used Jimmy. Casty did tell him it's in his blood, so maybe it's something similar with Sam.

[KikiGotTheLastCookie]

I have seen it now! finally caught up with the epsiodes and haven't read all your posts on here yet , its waaaaaay too much to read for me, but I just spotted your sig banner Candy and I LOVE IT! Helps, you did a nice job there - it reminds me of this fanfiction that is almost coming true, it's called "The Beast Within" but it never got finished

[helps]

Oh Kiki glad to see ya again.
I'm gonna respond to all the stuff tomorrow as Im deadly tired and had a fight with my mother a gain.
Lol,I'm glad you two girl like sig. I don't think it's somehow good, it could be much better,tho. But candy's text is great
The Beast within? I wann read it

[Calena]

I'm tired too and gonna go to sleep now. candy, I'll answer the pm tomorrow.
I don't like the sig, but not because it's not brilliantly done. I don't like the message.