4.20 Rapture Discussion

[helps]

Really sad? But hun, you always know where to find me! I'm on BTV, Myspace, and Facebook. Oh, I haven't looked at the other pages in awhile.

I know. But I remember that I even wrote u once on FB and no response . I've thought I was loosing u.

LMAO....thirsty-messy-monster-Sam. Do you think you could do it? How long would you have to stare at his hair for it to have an effect? It certainly wouldn't be good if you had to sit in front of the computer screen, nonstop, for an entire week. I don't know, Helps. Sam has been a bad, bad boy, and it's going to take a lot of convincing. Plus, his hair can't be so spectacular now with all the messy blood drinking he's been doing. His hair is probably all knotted and stuck together--not a good thing for hair.

Um, yes it might take weeks and maybe months. I'm not probably trying that,because I'm not that strong,tho. And as Im very stubborn I think I would still think what I think now.
Aw, that sounds so gross. He's gonna have all oily her stuck with blood. Ugh. Not nice a picture in my head. I think I'm gonna stay with u,Dean and Cas. We might be whining,but we're happy bunch together^ At least we're still under own control, we don't friend with demons and we're not gonna cause apocalypse ^^

Aww, I'm waking up early hon. I gotta go,so see ya tomorrow. I'm going to do some shopping, but hopefully won't be off whole day. I'm going with parents,so it's gonna take forever :/

BTW,where is everyone? Cal probably didn't survive watching the ep. But I hope they're gonna come in and tell us what they think, while I guess it's till the same blinded love^

Anyways,I'm leaving now. Have a great day and get some sleep,too girl *hugs* see ya soon

and just to make ur sleep better ^^ here's our boy. our hero ^
http://bunnylove.oxoniensis.org/Supe...191&fullsize=1

[Calena]

BTW,where is everyone? Cal probably didn't survive watching the ep.

Au contraire, my friend.
I was out the whole day with E. who was playing with one of his bands at a - wait for it - Harley Davidson festival. It wasn't as cool as it sounds, because it was a really small gathering, but it was nice.

Ok, so many things to say, where do I start?

1. Jimmy/Castiel
I absolutely love the SPN writers. LOVE THEM! So, being the vessel for an angel isn't all it's cracked up to be, is it now? Come on GA, give me your opinion! Jimmy rules, because after he found out he was used he stopped saying grace at the table. I really could see him adding "and we aren't going to the church anymore, either"
You need to have it "in your blood" so that an angel can possess you? Interesting. I wonder if "having it in your blood" makes you immune to demon possession (DramaDiva, if that's so, Lucifer won't possess Jimmy) and what would happen if Sam drank Jimmy's blood while he's possessed by Cas. Would Sam explode or become incredibly powerful?

The story was a little sad,though. His faithful Christian family didn't believe him when he first told them about Casty and how he had been chosen. It makes me wonder how strong they were in their faith in God and their faith and trust in Jimmy.

Come on!!!! Seriously now! GA, would you believe it if someone you are close to told you he was possessed by an angel?
Obviously the wife wasn't the fundamentalist kind of Christian. There are many people who really believe in a god, like a benevolent presence, but who don't believe that he created earth in 6 days, a talking snake, blabla.

Misha did a great job!

So, TOA (that obnoxious angel) is back. They brainwashed Cas up in heaven. I really don't understand when heaven and Dean have the same goal - not letting Lucifer rise - why they don't let Cas help him. Makes no sense, but well, god's involved and when did anything ever make sense with god!

Jimmy is a hero, because to spare his daughter he volunteered to be the vessel for TOA, knowing full well what an unpleasant experience this is, this time.


2. Let the Sam bashing commence!
I knew you girls would have a field day.
Bad Sam! Ugly Sam! Evil Sam! *grrrr*

First of all, isn't it great that it's now confirmed that Sam doesn't need Ruby, any demon's blood will do. This cancels Sam's dependance on Ruby. Yeah!

Second, you girls really only see what you wanna see. Maybe Ruby couldn't come to the phone because she was captured by angels, or other demons. Hm?
The theory of Ruby purposfully letting Sam go into withdrawal contradicts the theory that Ruby wants Lillith dead so Lucifer can rise.

Third, what, no one complaining that evil Sam was against letting Jim return to his family? Hm? No, because Sam was right, and Dean was wrong.

Fourth, Sam rescued Jimmy's wife by mind exorcising her. What was Cas in the body of Jimmy's daugher waiting for, btw?

Fifth, in defense of bad bad egotistical junkie Sam: He got fed demon blood at 6 months old. That maybe led to a predespostion for getting hooked on demon blood, hm?

[KikiGotTheLastCookie]

I have even forgotten SPN was on! With all the silly interruptions to the schedule lately I completely blanked this show from my mind

Its Saturday afternoon now and I only remember it now!!!

[Calena]

Originally Posted by KikiGotTheLastCookie

I have even forgotten SPN was on! With all the silly interruptions to the schedule lately I completely blanked this show from my mind

Its Saturday afternoon now and I only remember it now!!!

That's bad. It was back last week! You watched last week's ep, right? How could you forget!!!!

[smileyone]

Originally Posted by KikiGotTheLastCookie

I have even forgotten SPN was on! With all the silly interruptions to the schedule lately I completely blanked this show from my mind

Its Saturday afternoon now and I only remember it now!!!

OMG.... How could you EVER 'forget' SPN???????? That's a sin worse then anything else I know, that is..... :shocked: ROFL....

I haven't yet watched current ep online as Mini Me prefers to watch them on TV... so I have to wait til he's away.... cause then if he is here, he sits down with me to watch it, only to moan the whole way thru about the small size of the screen etc.... It's not worth the hassle...

[helps]

Au contraire, my friend.
I was out the whole day with E. who was playing with one of his bands at a - wait for it - Harley Davidson festival. It wasn't as cool as it sounds, because it was a really small gathering, but it was nice.

Aw,that really does sound cool. Glad you had a fun with E. DOes E. have own band/s?

You need to have it "in your blood" so that an angel can possess you? Interesting. I wonder if "having it in your blood" makes you immune to demon possession (DramaDiva, if that's so, Lucifer won't possess Jimmy) and what would happen if Sam drank Jimmy's blood while he's possessed by Cas. Would Sam explode or become incredibly powerful?

Im not sure what it means either. It's good question if it makes u imune, but it'd make sense. I dunno what else would it be.
Sam should stop sucking blood in the first place. Don't even think about sucking blood from Cas. :P

So, TOA (that obnoxious angel) is back. They brainwashed Cas up in heaven. I really don't understand when heaven and Dean have the same goal - not letting Lucifer rise - why they don't let Cas help him. Makes no sense, but well, god's involved and when did anything ever make sense with god!

Oh come on. Cas is cool. We don't know what happened to him, he apparently was about to help Dean, but he was dragged up to heaven. Cas isn't the one who is obnoxious if you ask me. It'd be his boss ;P
And I wonder about this thingie as you. Why the hell they didn't let Cas warn Dean is totally beyond me. Don't get it at all O_o.

Jimmy is a hero, because to spare his daughter he volunteered to be the vessel for TOA, knowing full well what an unpleasant experience this is, this time.

It was quite logical as he was probably about to die anyway,so why angel should take his daugther when he could save JImmy's life and use his body instead.

First of all, isn't it great that it's now confirmed that Sam doesn't need Ruby, any demon's blood will do. This cancels Sam's dependance on Ruby. Yeah!

He needs Ruby!! I think that blood from other demon doesn't make him strong enough. Accordance to promos, he's gonna be with Ruby and suck her blood again. It's not like he wouldn't need her at all. She's the one who supports him in killing Lilith, she's the one who was whispering into his ear that Lilith needs to be killed. He likes that support because he wanna someone to assure him, he's doing the right thing, which is at this point quite ridiculous. He's believing the demon. If I was Dean I'd slap him again, but now it's too late so they did only possible thing. You avoid to see that he's gonna kill lilith and cause apocalypse. It's obvious that Lilith doesn't seem scared at all. In that promo she was even smiling when he saw him. That's all one big trap and Sam is blind and I hate it.

Second, you girls really only see what you wanna see. Maybe Ruby couldn't come to the phone because she was captured by angels, or other demons. Hm?
The theory of Ruby purposfully letting Sam go into withdrawal contradicts the theory that Ruby wants Lillith dead so Lucifer can rise.

No it totally makes sense. This theory is the most probable. Why would other demons wanna kill Ruby? She wanna the same thing they all want. I think that she was working with Lilith since the beginning. For example how could Ruby survive and get back so fast after Lilith flowing her far away/or killing her how Lilith said? Ruby's probably part of it since the beginning. And be sure RUby has Sam exactly where she wants to have him. How candy pointed out she wanted thirsty Sam to brothers would fall apart for good. Now when Dean with bobby locked Sam up,do you think that Sam would listen her or Dean after letting him out? THat's all her big game.

Third, what, no one complaining that evil Sam was against letting Jim return to his family? Hm? No, because Sam was right, and Dean was wrong.

You're right Sam was the one who came up with it,but Dean agreed then. They decided to not let him go, but you remember what happened? Sam was supposed to look out for Jimmy, but he sneaked out to suck blood and Jimmy ran away ;P

Fourth, Sam rescued Jimmy's wife by mind exorcising her. What was Cas in the body of Jimmy's daugher waiting for, btw?

It's because they were busy with wondering what the frak is Sam doing. THey were watching him sucking blood. Rigth after that he stood up and start exorcising,so there wasnt any free time,tho. It all went quite fast.
BTW, Dean seemed to think Sam is gonna exorcise them, he looked really shocked and also scared.

Fifth, in defense of bad bad egotistical junkie Sam: He got fed demon blood at 6 months old. That maybe led to a predespostion for getting hooked on demon blood, hm?

That's true, he couldn't influence that, but that woldn't turn him into monster. While he made a choice in sucking Ruby's blood and it's only his fault. He was weak after Dean was gone and he decided to against what he promised him etc. I don't say he should keep promises for Dean, but he should've known that's wrong for everything what it is.

LOL, Kiki. Hon how could u ever forget?

[Calena]

DOes E. have own band/s?

He plays keyboard in about 5 bands, it constantly changes and I keep loosing track.

Sam should stop sucking blood in the first place. Don't even think about sucking blood from Cas.

But it'd be so interesting if that had an effect! Would it increase the effect of the demon blood, would it neutralize it?

Cas isn't the one who is obnoxious if you ask me. It'd be his boss ;P

I can agree with that.

It was quite logical as he was probably about to die anyway,so why angel should take his daugther when he could save JImmy's life and use his body instead.

I think the idea was that Jimmy should die and go to heaven, as reward for serving god. This would have been made possible through Cas possessing the daughter, because it's in her blood, too.

He needs Ruby!! I think that blood from other demon doesn't make him strong enough.

I disagree. I think it's about quantity. Enough blood from any demon works.

He likes that support because he wanna someone to assure him, he's doing the right thing,

True. Because a certain brother of his isn't really helping.

Why would other demons wanna kill Ruby? She wanna the same thing they all want.

Not if the Ruby works for Lillith theory isn't true.

Sam was supposed to look out for Jimmy, but he sneaked out to suck blood and Jimmy ran away ;P

Well, yes.

That's true, he couldn't influence that, but that woldn't turn him into monster. While he made a choice in sucking Ruby's blood and it's only his fault. He was weak after Dean was gone and he decided to against what he promised him etc. I don't say he should keep promises for Dean, but he should've known that's wrong for everything what it is.

Excuse me! If Dean had been able to live without Sam none of this would have happened. You cannot scold Sam for coping with Dean's death in the way he didn't, because Dean himself wasn't able to bear Sam's death.

[candyrose]

Oh my, you are still defending him---geez. I'm starting to wonder if you have a little demon blood in you as well.

1. Sam hurts his brother Dean. He obviously would rather defend Ruby than Dean, as exhibited by the promos for the upcoming episodes.
2. One seal remains to be broken, and it looks like Sam is going to be the one to break it.
3. Sam is still dependent on Ruby. He runs off with her in the next episode. We see the two of them with Lilith, and we also see Sam feasting on Ruby.
4. Did you not see Sam's face in the promo? His face didn't look natural....kind of scary, really.

[helps]

He plays keyboard in about 5 bands, it constantly changes and I keep loosing track.

Wow,that's so awesome! I wish he could play in UK ^^^

But it'd be so interesting if that had an effect! Would it increase the effect of the demon blood, would it neutralize it?

Yes, I agree. But I still wouldn't wanna that happen. Althought if it neutralize demon blood and bring back my old Sammy pup, than I'd might change my mind.

I think the idea was that Jimmy should die and go to heaven, as reward for serving god. This would have been made possible through Cas possessing the daughter, because it's in her blood, too.

Yes, I get it, I know what Cas meant, but I still think it was better to keep Jimmy on the earth and let his daugher have her own life. It'd be bad. She was too young.

I disagree. I think it's about quantity. Enough blood from any demon works.

Probably you're right, but obviously he's addicted on Ruby's when he's gonna suck her next ep,too instead of sucking any other demon. Maybe she has special blood.

True. Because a certain brother of his isn't really helping.

Why should certain brother support silliness of second certain brother? Support him in causing apocalypse? He doesn't deserve any support there!

Not if the Ruby works for Lillith theory isn't true.

What's not true about it?

Excuse me! If Dean had been able to live without Sam none of this would have happened. You cannot scold Sam for coping with Dean's death in the way he didn't, because Dean himself wasn't able to bear Sam's death.

True!! Valid point!! But of course poor Dean didn't certainly think that his brother is gonna pay him back by standing against him, sneaking around with demon and causing apocalypse! Sorry but back in s2 was everything different. It wouldn't cross my mind that Sam is gonna becom hell bi**h. Dean has no responsibility at all for Sam turning evil. It was Sam's decision, he had a choice and he decided to be BFF with demon. Dean is part of apocalypse it's true, he made a mistake in Hell - which btw is more then understandable - but final and important choices were always on Sam. Sam screwed it in Chris angel episode when he decided to let Ruby get his powers better with sucking blood. I know the damn good intentions, but did you see last ep? are u gonna make excuses for him if he killed Bobby and Dean or innocent ppl? Does it matter that he had good intentions in the end? How I once said when for example some guy kill anyone by accident do u think it matters for mourners that he had good intentions? While it's nice ppl do things with good intentions, there's nothing that could take back what they've done and nothing what can make it easier for one's who are left.

I understand that u feel like u should defend Sam when we kind of bash him, but I think that you shouldn't force youself to make up excuses for him. I know that you don't believe some of them anyway. You're just too loyal.

candy here's your sig. I think it's really lame, so if you wanna keep K-man,I understand it hon. If u wanted to change anything u can tell me. I used that text because of this song that kinds of remind me Sam.

http://www.elyrics.net/read/t/three-...me-lyrics.html

and here's sig.
http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/m...nimalkopie.jpg

[candyrose]

True!! Valid point!! But of course poor Dean didn't certainly think that his brother is gonna pay him back by standing against him, sneaking around with demon and causing apocalypse! Sorry but back in s2 was everything different. It wouldn't cross my mind that Sam is gonna becom hell bi**h. Dean has no responsibility at all for Sam turning evil. It was Sam's decision, he had a choice and he decided to be BFF with demon. Dean is part of apocalypse it's true, he made a mistake in Hell - which btw is more then understandable - but final and important choices were always on Sam. Sam screwed it in Chris angel episode when he decided to let Ruby get his powers better with sucking blood. I know the damn good intentions, but did you see last ep? are u gonna make excuses for him if he killed Bobby and Dean or innocent ppl? Does it matter that he had good intentions in the end? How I once said when for example some guy kill anyone by accident do u think it matters for mourners that he had good intentions? While it's nice ppl do things with good intentions, there's nothing that could take back what they've done and nothing what can make it easier for one's who are left.

Thank you Helps! However, I still stand by my statement that Sam is not doing it purely out of good intentions. Sam is angry....he's flipping pissed. He was so close to having a normal life, then things were turned upside down when Dean made that visit and they started hunting together again. Sam lost his father....he lost Dean for awhile...and to top it all off he knows he is different and demons have dark plans in store for him. There is no way in hell Sam could ever be normal, not now. It isn't like he can stop hunting because it will still be there with him....it's in his blood. Sam wants revenge. He wants someone to blame. He's not all about helping people anymore. Look at the past few episodes, where he's pretty much wanted to pull others into it. It's understandable that Sam is so angry, but the thing is he is pushing away everyone who loves him. Remember when Daddy John told Dean he may have to one day kill Sam?