What's doing with "Cas"?

[ExtraCookie]

Nah, I gotta stick with thinking it's OK for Sam, Dean and even Anna (she has a history with him and obviously cares about him; maybe even more than "cares") to call him Cas. NO ONE ELSE, though! I HATED it when Uriel did it! I know, I know, they were like brothers, according to Cas, but, clearly, it wasn't a strong or necessarily good brotherly relationship. They were clearly so much at odds personality-wise. And I'm sure he'd never called him that until Dean started it; Dean, who he hated! It offended me coming from Uriel's lips! (That may be the real reason Cas decided to kick his ass!) Just the three above should be allowed, thanks.

And I see it as opposite to demeaning. It's a term of endearment. You generally snip (or otherwise mess with) someone's name like that when you like them and feel close to/comfy with them. I sure do, anyway, and it seems to be true for most others, too. I think Dean saying "Cas" that first time was a first indication of him getting good vibes from the angel; or, at the very least, of accepting him on some level. And I think Sammy followed Dean's lead and/or got the same vibes. I think the nick is a badge of honor, friendship and, I'm hoping, family. Cas should be proud to be Cas (just to those 3 or at least Dean & Sam). But if anybody else ever calls him that (well, I can imagine Lucifer doing it just to wind him up. That would be nasty and cool; I'd like to see a scary, smoldering expression from Cas there.), I'm gonna be pissed! Uriel deserved to die for that alone!

Oh, we fans, of course, who love him should have the same rights to the nick as well!

I'm just so proud all of you spell the nick correctly! I hate it when I see "Cass!" What's with the extra "S?!" I don't get it!! I'm so anal!

I'm sorry, I have no idea what this thread is about! Um, I'll try to make amends one day. I do know it's at least about Cas, so I'm not totally off!

[Calena]

I'm sorry, I have no idea what this thread is about! Um, I'll try to make amends one day. I do know it's at least about Cas, so I'm not totally off!

ROFL! You are so hilarious. This thread actually is about who should and who shouldn't call Castiel "Cas". So you were being 100% on topic.

I think smiley has a great point. You don't hear priests or churchgoers call Archangel Michael "Mike" or Gabriel "Gabe". Ok, Castiel is not an archangel, but still.

I agree Cas is a term of endearment or at least buddyship (is that an actual English word?) from Dean (Dean calls him Cas even when at that precise moment he isn't endeared with Castiel). But Sam is not Castiel's buddy. Anna, I'm not sure about. They have history and she was his boss, so it's more ok for Anna to call him Cas than for anyone else besides Dean.
I think Sam shouldn't even want to call him Cas, because it was Castiel who let him out to kill Lilith, something Sam now has to live with the rest of his life.

Why would anyone spell it "Cass"? It's not spelt "Casstiel".

[smileyone]

I think smiley has a great point. You don't hear priests or churchgoers call Archangel Michael "Mike" or Gabriel "Gabe". Ok, Castiel is not an archangel, but still.

Thinking more about this one.... who is Catiel anyway??? Misha himself said at one of the stage talks at recent UK Con that Castiel is just a lowly angel.... the lowest ranked one about.... he's a pure nobody as regards climbing on the angel ladder.... just an angel.... not even one with wings...
So why then does everyone of the characters and us, the fans for that matter insist of referring to him as Cas??? Dean is the resident badass cheeky person in SPN... if there is a nickname etc to be found for someone in the show, he's usually the one who both finds it and uses it first until the damn thing is worn out to a thread.... it's kind of accepted by fans that Dean holds that record above anyone else in the show.... Sam, in contrast tends to show more respect for individuals in the show so therefore wouldn't usually take to using a shortened name of anyone so flippantly.... yet, the ues of it just rolls off his tongue with such ease.....
Zack the Archangels name has also been shortened a few times.... by so many....
It's even odd to see Castiel not even pick anyone up on it....

Btw..... I think the fact that so many of us originally came from fairly strict catholic sunday school and then onto mass and then back home for hours of bible study backgrounds.... would answer the question why we never heard angels names shortened or in fact ever did so ourselves.... we would have been all so terrified to be smited down to dust ourselves....

[ExtraCookie]

Oh, I was actually on topic? Well, cool! If I was, then that probably means I was repeating myself! Damned early Alzheimer's! Where am I?!

Sammy's not necessarily a "buddy," no, but . . . I don't really know how to put this into words, so this'll be a pathetic attempt. It's like, in some regards (to me, this being one of them), the Winchesters are a package deal. Sammy seems to have a certain trust/bond/good vibe with Cas because Dean does and vise versa. One of the reasons the scene of Cas and Sammy meeting is so amazing to me is that Cas both hurt Sammy (I believe purely accidentally. I honestly don't think Cas, in his angelic bluntness & aloofness, even had a clue he'd hurt the boy), but was trying to help him and seemed to be expressing genuine care and tenderness towards him. Just the way he held his hand, looked at him, and his tone of voice. Also, on Sammy's part, he knows Cas is the one who dragged his beloved bro out of hell and I think that alone is enough to create a certain bond. Sammy's failure to be able to do that is, to him, his biggest failure ever. He thought Dean was lost to hell forever. I really think he's grateful to Cas for doing what he so desperately tried and failed to do himself. So, I think that, through Dean, Sammy and Cas DO have a closeness/trust/bond. It's not the exact same as what Cas and Dean have, no, (but I hope it'll eventually get closer to that) but, for me, it's close enough. If Dean trusts and cares for this angel, then that's good enough for Sammy. If Dean loves and cares for Sammy, that's good enough for Cas. (I'm speaking very broadly there, of course!)

Yes, I'm well aware that I'm expounding big time upon pretty small, subtle things the show has shown us. And that I may well be reading too deeply into things and could be off course. I also know that I'm being quite general. It's not like things have been all hearts & rainbows with Cas and the guys; Dean especially! And how do I explain this? That's what makes the bond even more special to me, if that makes any sense. It hasn't been some simple, we're-just-so-cool-with-each other relationship. They've had to earn it from each other. They've been testing each other and pushing each other's limits (and buttons) over and over. And each keeps passing the others' tests and winning the others' respect. It's been contentious, fraught with emotion & trouble, and hard-won. Having said all that, I think they had an instant bond. Now, that sounds contradictory, right? And it'll probably have to stay that way, cuz, again, I'm not sure how to explain it. I'm not even sure if the writers meant for it to come off that way. For all I know, it was accidental on Misha and Jensen's part. But I saw/felt something just click the first time they met. Not that they were instantly pals, but it seems to me that there was some sort of instant connection. If absolutely nothing else, they each seemed fascinated by the other and seemed to deem each other worthy of their serious consideration. If anyone thinks this is totally insane and feels the need to get me to go into it into detail, ask. Otherwise, I'll spare you!

And as to the priest thing, I don't see how that factors in, sorry. Any of these priests know any of those angels personally? Been through traumatic experiences with them? Been rescued from hell by them? Fought by their sides? Nope.

So, Sammy, keep right on calling him Cas! I can't imagine that being reciprocated, though. I'd totally freak out if Cas ever called him Sammy! That would just sound all wrong! I can't imagine Cas ever speaking that casually!

Speaking of Cas speaking, does anyone else get a chuckle out of how Cas likes to say "of the Lord" and "of God?" It's so over-the-top and cute! I'd love to see Dean call him on that in a future episode!

[ExtraCookie]

Pssst . . . smileyone! Cas has wings! He showed them off to Dean after accusing him of not having faith. Giant, lovely, imposing wings.

That's so interesting how we differ on what a nick name means. I don't see it as being flip or disrespectful. I see it as an honor. It doesn't matter if Cas is an angel or what he is. He is a thinking, feeling (especially now!) being. And the "Cas" nick shows acceptance, trust, cooperation, etc. It says "You're with us now." Cas asked Dean for respect; this is one way he's showing it, Dean-style. I think Cas knows that. If I were to bet on it, I'd bet Cas likes it. At the very least from Dean and probably from Sammy & even Anna. (Now. He probably didn't know what to feel about it the first time; he didn't know what to feel about her then. Things have changed. I mean, I'm sure he's still got confused feelings towards her, but it seems to me he's lost the venom at least.)

[helps]

lmao... calena actually made a thread about it... xD

Oh, we fans, of course, who love him should have the same rights to the nick as well!

Totally agree I can call him Cas! ^^^^^ I have full right to do so, 'cause I love him more then Dean!

To solve your mystery with Cass... I think I wrote it few times at the beginning,too. If ppl get the same subtitles for spn as I do (english ones), then there always was used Cass... I don't know why,tho but it's probably where it started :P

[ExtraCookie]

Aha! Subtitles! I bet you're right, helps! That would totally explain that annoying extra "s!" Subtitles are often screwy. Really, I can't get over how often they are screwed up; and often quite badly! The people responsible for them are overpaid! I think even I could generally do much better; how does one become a subtitler?! Is that a specific job title? Or do they just get some intern to do it? It's funny, though, sometimes a bad screw up makes me realize what must've actually been said, if that makes sense! I feel bad for those of you who depend on the subtitles to get the dialogue, cuz you're generally not getting it all correctly. This is most likely my analness (if wasn't word, is now) speaking, but I think the dialogue is important, word-for-word. (Well, for most things, anyway.) What's the point of having dialogue and trying to make it good if it doesn't matter?

OK, subtitle rant over!

Also, I want to add that I left out Jimmy in my list of those allowed to use Cas. If you ask me, poor, darling Jimmy should be allowed to call him whatever the hell he wants! With all that Cas is putting him through and has taken from him? Yes, I know, it's on orders, blah, blah, but still. I was cheering Jimmy on when he called him an S.O.B.! I mean, on one hand, I felt bad about it, of course; I knew Cas hadn't abandoned him on purpose and was going through/had gone through something awful himself, but it's clear that Jimmy wasn't thoroughly educated on exactly what being a vessel was going to be like. That's why I understood Jimmy's anger and name-calling.

[smileyone]

Pssst . . . smileyone! Cas has wings! He showed them off to Dean after accusing him of not having faith. Giant, lovely, imposing wings.

LOL.... Well DOH.... I know he HAS wings... but he doesn't walk around with them attached to him in the conventional sense.... he has not been flying around anywhere.... niether has he been doing a bright light sucking him up from ground jobbie generally.... he just generally seems to be the angel who appears at ends of beds and in dark garages and parking lots late at nights.... is there something wrong with him appearing during the day at all..... Is he going to disintergrate if he comes in contact with light???? Oh how I would love to see him lose it a bit and appear in a nice big wooley jumper for a change.... or a beanie hat with a bobble on the top of it.... big stripey scarf draped around his neck..... anythingbut that darned rain mac!!!

[Calena]

The people responsible for them are overpaid!

I am no fan of translations (German translations more often than not just suck), but we are not talking about professional people here, but about SPN fans who write Czech subtitles for the online streams of the eps. At least I assume it's that way, because I had to watch more Lost ep than I care to with French subtitles, because I wasn't able to find an unsubtiteled ep online. I can't say anything about the quality of the French subtitles, since I don't speak French, but I can say that even if you don't understand the language the subtitles are in, but are fluent in the language that is actually spoken, subtitles are distracting and annoying as hell!

you guys can see how great my studying is going by my constantly popping in here.

[helps]

Yep calena is right! It's not like subtitles on DVDs or something. Those ppl are fans and make that for other fans. I think it's pretty cool. I don't use czech subtitles. They're actually very good, I have to say, but they usually release them day or two after ep is available to download and I don't wanna wait so long to watch it. I watch it usually with english subtitles. Also made by fans,but they're cool. Only once it was terrible experience that I decided to watch it without subs. It was I think for ep 2.20 and subtitles were saying totally different stuff then boys,lol. Not really worth having it on screen.
In general I don't mind subtitles, I don't need them all the time, but I also don't get every word, so I'm happy to watch it with english subtitles. So not that you should bash them. Those guys don't get anything out of it, only love from their fan fellows.

LoL, I see you're so enjoying your studying that it's hard to get yourself away from books to stop by here.