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cecil44 · 02-28-2008, 04:01 AM

Finally, how much would it suck that Chloe has sacrificed so much in her life for Clark, for Lana, for Lois and so on, only to end up having to sacrifice her life for Clark? I love Clark as much as the next guy, but Chloe deserves some happiness too. It would be crappy writing to the zenith degree if Chloe dies and her death is used to push everyone to their respective canon destinies. It would be terrible terrible storytelling because it would be like saying : Hard work doesn't pay in the end, loyalty does not pay in the end, being a great friend does not pay in the end and so on. Just walk into the Daily planet and start yapping about UFO's and spaceships and walla: You will be hired. Also just look pretty, have shinny hair and a whispery-lispying-squirrely-voice and no matter how awful, horrid and unworthy of the hero you are, he will love you no matter what-- because you just look that AWESOME people!

cecil44 · 02-28-2008, 04:09 AM

Finally it will be saying, who cares what you have sacrificed? In the end all that is worth zip, zero, zippo, null and void because well, your name is not Lois Lane and you don't have shinny shinny hair and a whispery-perfect-pink-princess voice like Lana. It just makes bad storytelling. I want cinderella to get her glass slippers back! And as much as I think Chloe deserves better than Clark, she deserves to at least achieve her Daily Planet dream. Lois can marry Clark in the future, but Chloe should be the reporter. Lana and Clark can even get married in the future, but again Chloe should achieve her Daily Planet dream. My question here is, if they were planning to kill off Chloe, why have her still taking journalism classes in Met U when all the other characters (Lana, Clark, Lois) are not in school?

cecil44 · 02-28-2008, 04:09 AM

Why still have her as a reporter when they have Lois at the Daily Planet? Why have Clark tell her that she's irreplaceable in "Siren"? Why give her a meteor power that makes her come back from the dead and show that it may take a very long time (over 18 hours)? Why show Clark's reaction to her dying, leaving him, working with some other hero, forgetting him and so on? I just don't see why they would stress all these things, if the end-point is to have Chloe die. But this is Smallville where anything's possible, so they might do exactly that.

mxlpdilk · 02-28-2008, 11:51 AM

Cecil wrote "What I do not like is the fact that they insist that Clark is the one that screws up the relationship and that that is the only reason he ends up with Lois--- WHAT???" Yes, and I think it's outrageous too. It is part of their ill-advised magic-killing agenda to gray out all the characters IMO - Clark cannot be shown as too good, Lex cannot be shown as too evil, etc. --- Yes Lana and Pete are in the comics but they are relatively obscure so I think Smallville needs to set the stage for why Lana becomes obscure. ---- "Besides, Superman does not need death or tragedy to motivate him to become a hero, he chooses without any outside forces." Cecil I disagree with this both as narrative and as a reflection of real life. From a narrative point of view it would be incoherent to just suddenly have Clark say "I think I'll take the training and follow the 'destiny' everyone wants me to follow NOW" after having him ignore it for so long. And probably the reason it would be wea

mxlpdilk · 02-28-2008, 11:53 AM

the reason it would be weak as narrative is because it would have no allegorical meaning WRT real life. On the other hand given Smallville's nihilistic tendency to minimize meaning I wouldn't be surprised if they have Clark suddenly accept his destiny out of the blue either. It wouldn't be the first time I found their story incoherent. --- Also Cecil, as much as I respect your opinions I also have to disagree about the storytelling merits of having Chloe willingly sacrifice her life. I think it would be inspiring and inspired. --- Regarding your questions I will answer in brief to avoid writing a book. I think having Chloe's story continuing as if it will go on indefinitely and showing that Clark considers her irreplaceable contribute to the power and poignancy of the effect her death would have on Clark. And giving her the meteor power to heal makes it possible for her death to be a self-sacrifice. So these things don't make it less likely that she will sacrifice her life

mxlpdilk · 02-28-2008, 11:56 AM

So these things don't make it less likely that she will sacrifice her life IMO, they actually make it more plausible.

cecil44 · 02-28-2008, 03:24 PM

Mixpdilk, thanks for the wonderful response. I think I must have phrased it wrong, but I did not mean that it makes it LESS LIKELY that she would sacrifice her life. In fact, I think in an earlier post I said that the MF power (no matter how much I hate it) is in character with who Chloe is. Chloe would sacrifice her life in a heartbeat for Clark, or for Lana and definitely for Lois and Jimmy (and maybe Kara). What I meant was that the MF power allows her to come back to life, so even if she would sacrifice her life to heal Clark (and I'm suspecting she will at some point soon), I think she will come back to life, even if it's after a very long time. Why I think this is because of the "over 18 hours" that she was dead in "Fracture". I mean, when would Clark reach a point and say: "Ok, now I am sure she will not be coming back"?

cecil44 · 02-28-2008, 03:24 PM

See Clark waited by her bedside for over 18 hours, believing that she will come back to life, why would he believe this time round that she will not come back to life? that is why I don't think that it will be healing Clark that kills her. It would seem really unbelievable to the viewer to say, "ok, this is the cutting point, she's been dead for over twenty hours so she's not coming back." It just wouldn't make sense to make such a conclusion because she might come back to life after 30 hours, or twenty hours or something of the sort, and also because doctors can't do anything for her. Unless there is absolutely no doubt that she is completely and for real dead dead, there is really no way of knowing if the death is caused by her using the power. Now what I can agree with is that if they do in fact kill her, then it won't be through using her powers, it will be through some other tragic thing.

cecil44 · 02-28-2008, 03:25 PM

We've been shown that she can't heal herself-or at least that is how I took it in "Siren", because she still had that small cut on her face (the one that Clark freaked out over and went all manno-o-manno on Oliver). So if she can't heal herself and she gets shot, then she would obviously die for real, same thing with a car accident or something. That is the only way her death would stick. But honestly? I really do not think they will kill her off. Unless Allison Mack decides to leave the show after her contract is over this season. I honestly think that the end point for Chloe depends on AM being in the last season or not. If she decides to leave, then they will probably kill her off and then spend the new season making Lois and Clark the new investigative duo and developing Lois to be more of a real reporter (so far they have done nothing for her in terms of real development) and at least getting Clark and Lois closer.

cecil44 · 02-28-2008, 03:26 PM

On the other hand, if AM stays, I honestly see them going the Chlois direction. Simply because there is no way they can explain Clark falling for Lois later on and not for Chloe since Lois will possess all the characteristics that Chloe possesses now. Why would he fall for Lois in the future and not Chloe? We Superman/Clark is not attracted to Lois because of her beauty, it's because of her qualities, her quest for the truth, her readiness to put her life on the line to get to the truth, her fight for justice, all the things that Chloe is today. That's why I see them going Chlois if AM stays till the end. Because like you said Mxlpdilk, we can't help who we fall for in real life, but in a story-telling perspective the protagonist always wins over the antagonist. In Smallville with regard to Lana and Chloe-I see Chloe as the former and Lana as the latter. Of course this is just from how they have been portrayed: Chloe is usually heroic, sacrifices her happiness for others, saves the her

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02-28-2008, 04:01 AM	#2371
cecil44 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 788	Finally, how much would it suck that Chloe has sacrificed so much in her life for Clark, for Lana, for Lois and so on, only to end up having to sacrifice her life for Clark? I love Clark as much as the next guy, but Chloe deserves some happiness too. It would be crappy writing to the zenith degree if Chloe dies and her death is used to push everyone to their respective canon destinies. It would be terrible terrible storytelling because it would be like saying : Hard work doesn't pay in the end, loyalty does not pay in the end, being a great friend does not pay in the end and so on. Just walk into the Daily planet and start yapping about UFO's and spaceships and walla: You will be hired. Also just look pretty, have shinny hair and a whispery-lispying-squirrely-voice and no matter how awful, horrid and unworthy of the hero you are, he will love you no matter what-- because you just look that AWESOME people!

02-28-2008, 04:09 AM	#2372
cecil44 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 788	Finally it will be saying, who cares what you have sacrificed? In the end all that is worth zip, zero, zippo, null and void because well, your name is not Lois Lane and you don't have shinny shinny hair and a whispery-perfect-pink-princess voice like Lana. It just makes bad storytelling. I want cinderella to get her glass slippers back! And as much as I think Chloe deserves better than Clark, she deserves to at least achieve her Daily Planet dream. Lois can marry Clark in the future, but Chloe should be the reporter. Lana and Clark can even get married in the future, but again Chloe should achieve her Daily Planet dream. My question here is, if they were planning to kill off Chloe, why have her still taking journalism classes in Met U when all the other characters (Lana, Clark, Lois) are not in school?

02-28-2008, 04:09 AM	#2373
cecil44 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 788	Why still have her as a reporter when they have Lois at the Daily Planet? Why have Clark tell her that she's irreplaceable in "Siren"? Why give her a meteor power that makes her come back from the dead and show that it may take a very long time (over 18 hours)? Why show Clark's reaction to her dying, leaving him, working with some other hero, forgetting him and so on? I just don't see why they would stress all these things, if the end-point is to have Chloe die. But this is Smallville where anything's possible, so they might do exactly that.

02-28-2008, 11:51 AM	#2374
mxlpdilk Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 197	Cecil wrote "What I do not like is the fact that they insist that Clark is the one that screws up the relationship and that that is the only reason he ends up with Lois--- WHAT???" Yes, and I think it's outrageous too. It is part of their ill-advised magic-killing agenda to gray out all the characters IMO - Clark cannot be shown as too good, Lex cannot be shown as too evil, etc. --- Yes Lana and Pete are in the comics but they are relatively obscure so I think Smallville needs to set the stage for why Lana becomes obscure. ---- "Besides, Superman does not need death or tragedy to motivate him to become a hero, he chooses without any outside forces." Cecil I disagree with this both as narrative and as a reflection of real life. From a narrative point of view it would be incoherent to just suddenly have Clark say "I think I'll take the training and follow the 'destiny' everyone wants me to follow NOW" after having him ignore it for so long. And probably the reason it would be wea

02-28-2008, 11:53 AM	#2375
mxlpdilk Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 197	the reason it would be weak as narrative is because it would have no allegorical meaning WRT real life. On the other hand given Smallville's nihilistic tendency to minimize meaning I wouldn't be surprised if they have Clark suddenly accept his destiny out of the blue either. It wouldn't be the first time I found their story incoherent. --- Also Cecil, as much as I respect your opinions I also have to disagree about the storytelling merits of having Chloe willingly sacrifice her life. I think it would be inspiring and inspired. --- Regarding your questions I will answer in brief to avoid writing a book. I think having Chloe's story continuing as if it will go on indefinitely and showing that Clark considers her irreplaceable contribute to the power and poignancy of the effect her death would have on Clark. And giving her the meteor power to heal makes it possible for her death to be a self-sacrifice. So these things don't make it less likely that she will sacrifice her life

02-28-2008, 11:56 AM	#2376
mxlpdilk Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 197	So these things don't make it less likely that she will sacrifice her life IMO, they actually make it more plausible.

02-28-2008, 03:24 PM	#2377
cecil44 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 788	Mixpdilk, thanks for the wonderful response. I think I must have phrased it wrong, but I did not mean that it makes it LESS LIKELY that she would sacrifice her life. In fact, I think in an earlier post I said that the MF power (no matter how much I hate it) is in character with who Chloe is. Chloe would sacrifice her life in a heartbeat for Clark, or for Lana and definitely for Lois and Jimmy (and maybe Kara). What I meant was that the MF power allows her to come back to life, so even if she would sacrifice her life to heal Clark (and I'm suspecting she will at some point soon), I think she will come back to life, even if it's after a very long time. Why I think this is because of the "over 18 hours" that she was dead in "Fracture". I mean, when would Clark reach a point and say: "Ok, now I am sure she will not be coming back"?

02-28-2008, 03:24 PM	#2378
cecil44 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 788	See Clark waited by her bedside for over 18 hours, believing that she will come back to life, why would he believe this time round that she will not come back to life? that is why I don't think that it will be healing Clark that kills her. It would seem really unbelievable to the viewer to say, "ok, this is the cutting point, she's been dead for over twenty hours so she's not coming back." It just wouldn't make sense to make such a conclusion because she might come back to life after 30 hours, or twenty hours or something of the sort, and also because doctors can't do anything for her. Unless there is absolutely no doubt that she is completely and for real dead dead, there is really no way of knowing if the death is caused by her using the power. Now what I can agree with is that if they do in fact kill her, then it won't be through using her powers, it will be through some other tragic thing.

02-28-2008, 03:25 PM	#2379
cecil44 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 788	We've been shown that she can't heal herself-or at least that is how I took it in "Siren", because she still had that small cut on her face (the one that Clark freaked out over and went all manno-o-manno on Oliver). So if she can't heal herself and she gets shot, then she would obviously die for real, same thing with a car accident or something. That is the only way her death would stick. But honestly? I really do not think they will kill her off. Unless Allison Mack decides to leave the show after her contract is over this season. I honestly think that the end point for Chloe depends on AM being in the last season or not. If she decides to leave, then they will probably kill her off and then spend the new season making Lois and Clark the new investigative duo and developing Lois to be more of a real reporter (so far they have done nothing for her in terms of real development) and at least getting Clark and Lois closer.

02-28-2008, 03:26 PM	#2380
cecil44 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 788	On the other hand, if AM stays, I honestly see them going the Chlois direction. Simply because there is no way they can explain Clark falling for Lois later on and not for Chloe since Lois will possess all the characteristics that Chloe possesses now. Why would he fall for Lois in the future and not Chloe? We Superman/Clark is not attracted to Lois because of her beauty, it's because of her qualities, her quest for the truth, her readiness to put her life on the line to get to the truth, her fight for justice, all the things that Chloe is today. That's why I see them going Chlois if AM stays till the end. Because like you said Mxlpdilk, we can't help who we fall for in real life, but in a story-telling perspective the protagonist always wins over the antagonist. In Smallville with regard to Lana and Chloe-I see Chloe as the former and Lana as the latter. Of course this is just from how they have been portrayed: Chloe is usually heroic, sacrifices her happiness for others, saves the her