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slayfan · 02-23-2008, 06:34 PM

Now as to Clark giving up on Lex, I understand why the writers did this. They needed to start making Lex evil and with the way Clark was helping him fight his dark side they needed to distance him from Lex to let his influence weaken. I agree that Superman never gives up on people but maybe this is where he learns that lesson. (I know, more guilt for our hero just when we've about had it with the truckload of guilt he already feels over Lana, and well everything) Anyway it's just a thought.

mxlpdilk · 02-26-2008, 12:11 AM

I see that when I mentioned "another way they could have ended Clana" (meaning a "past tense" possibility) I just confused the issue so I will try to stop talking about things that are no longer possible. Instead I'll try to sketch what I think they need to resolve before Smallville ends because it looks all but over to me. For one thing they need to account for the fact that Lana and Chloe do not figure in Clark's life as Superman. That means they need to explain why Clark does not stay with Lana forever and why Chloe does not remain in his life after he moves to Metropolis. Another thing they need to do is lay the groundwork for Clark's relationship with Lex in later life. I'm not sufficiently versed in Superman lore to know exactly what their iconic relationship is, but in any event it seems to me Clark and Lex have had such a varied relationship in Smallville that the producers could end it any way they want and just pretend that's where they were headed all along. And finall

mxlpdilk · 02-26-2008, 12:12 AM

And finally I think they need to explain how his Smallville experiences led Clark to decide two things about his adult life. First, what exactly leads him to accept his life as Superman instead of pursuing a private life of human domestic happiness? Second, will he trust the people he loves with the truth about himself? So here is my guess about how they will do it. Chloe saves Clarks life again but this time she does not come back to life because replenishing Clark's superhuman batteries drains her totally. Clark correctly blames Lex for it and they become permanent enemies. Clark is so distraught over losing Chloe that he decides to dedicate his life to fighting Lex and his kind. He decides to give up his personal relationships to do that, so he breaks up with Lana. In homage to Chloe he also decides to pursue her dream of exposing the Truth through a career in journalism. He resolves not to involve anyone else in his crime-fighting life since it was Chloe's involvement with

mxlpdilk · 02-26-2008, 12:14 AM

since it was Chloe's involvement with him that got her killed so he decides to hide his identity from everyone from then on. Lana stops being evil and fades into obscurity. The fact that Clark temporarily lost her to the evil one through his fear of having his feelings hurt is ignored because Lana's redemption makes all the negative effects of Clark's 'Clana' mistakes go away (not really but that is what they will pretend). Since he expects to leave personal relationships behind (of course we know he will change his mind after he teams up with Lois at the Daily Planet) he can ignore the problems he created by hiding his true identity from Lana, so the quandary over whether he needs to hide that particular Truth is neatly avoided. That's what I'm guessing will happen even though I don't think it is adequate because Clana was the center of gravity of the Smallville narrative yet it does not have much impact on resolving these issues. I do feel that Clana is already over, and in fac

mxlpdilk · 02-26-2008, 12:15 AM

I do feel that Clana is already over, and in fact that Smallville is over, and I kind of hope they end it this season because I can't imagine how they can stall for enough time to get another season out of it when it is clearly time for Clark to go to Metropolis IMO.

cecil44 · 02-26-2008, 01:04 AM

Slayfan, Mxlpdilk excellent posts as always! I agree with you Slayfan on the learning thing. Maybe this is one of those lessons he has to learn along the way! Poor hero-- guilt-ridden as usual! I think they need a lesson where he learns that not everything is his fault. In fact he needs to learn that MOST things(cough Lana cough) are not his fault.

cecil44 · 02-26-2008, 01:13 AM

Mxlpdilk I am with you on the things that need to be resolved. Except I would probably add: (a) Chlark's relationship (friendship) (b) Clana's relationship (non-platonic) because these two relationships have been among the three centermost relationships on this show. The three are: Clana, Chlark, and Clex. That said, I have a few questions regarding your resolutions. First, you already assume that Chloe will die, why would she have to die???? I know we got a major death anvil for Chloe in "Fracture", but you have to remember that we also got hints that her heart might be immortal in "Cure". But even going with your scenario where Chloe dies (and that would really be bad story-telling IMO), WHY WOULD CLARK BLAME LEX? It's not Lex's fault that Chloe is meteor infected. In fact Lex has no control over that whatsoever, so why would Clark blame Lex for Chloe's death?

cecil44 · 02-26-2008, 01:22 AM

Second question I have is WHY WOULD CLARK NEED CHLOE'S DEATH AS A MOTIVATION TO ACCEPT HIS DESTINY? If death is what motivates him, wouldn't Jonathan's have motivated him to do so? Or Alicia's? Kayla's? I just don't think that Chloe dying would be what motivates him to accept his destiny and so on... plus Superman CHOOSES to be SAVE humans. Superman does not need someone a tragedy to push him to saving humans and so on, he MAKES that decision because he WANTS to, not because of external forces. I would hate for Chloe to be the sacrificial lamb that pushes everyone to their iconic selfs. Lana is still in the comics running Lexcorp or something of the sort. So let's see in your scenario: Chloe dies, Clark decided to be superman as a result, Clark decides to pursue journalism as a result, Lois decides to pursue journalism seriously and honor her cousin as a result, Lana become Clark's friend and confidante as a result and Jimmy, well.. Jimmy remains as Jimmy I guess.

cecil44 · 02-26-2008, 01:36 AM

That basically makes Chloe the sacrificial Lamb, and because it's a scenario I hope does not happen, It is probably the MOST LIKELY to happen. Smallville never fails to disappoint me, even after a few wonderful episodes. Now Clana: I think they have been resolving Clana since the beginning of this year. First, they gave them a "real shot" without any secrets from Clark (and before I forget what do you mean by "Clark's 'Clana' mistakes"? ), now they are getting yet another 'real shot" since "Siren". Clark is slowly starting to open his eyes, the blinders are slowly coming off. That's the resolution that we need, for Clark's blinders to fall off since this is his story. Now CHLARK: Chloe and Lana have been set as the 'competition' since season 1. Then the show has gone to great lengths to show WHY Clana does not work and WHY Chlark works (their partnership). The show has also gone to great lengths to show us WHY Lana is wrong for Clark and WHY Chloe is right for Clark.

cecil44 · 02-26-2008, 01:38 AM

Now, I believe in Chlois, but even for those that do not, Chlarkana has been the major triangle of the show, Clark in the middle, Lana and Chloe the corners. If we didn't know that Clark/Supes ends with Lois, then in a classic sense, it would make sense that he will eventually realize that what he's been searching for has been under his nose all this time in the form of Chloe. So basically, I think I am starting to notice a resolution in these two relationships. Clark is becoming more protective of Chloe and slowly starting to acknowledge that the Lana he has now is not the Lana he fell in love with at the age of 5.

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02-23-2008, 06:34 PM	#2331
slayfan Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 199	Now as to Clark giving up on Lex, I understand why the writers did this. They needed to start making Lex evil and with the way Clark was helping him fight his dark side they needed to distance him from Lex to let his influence weaken. I agree that Superman never gives up on people but maybe this is where he learns that lesson. (I know, more guilt for our hero just when we've about had it with the truckload of guilt he already feels over Lana, and well everything) Anyway it's just a thought.

02-26-2008, 12:11 AM	#2332
mxlpdilk Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 197	I see that when I mentioned "another way they could have ended Clana" (meaning a "past tense" possibility) I just confused the issue so I will try to stop talking about things that are no longer possible. Instead I'll try to sketch what I think they need to resolve before Smallville ends because it looks all but over to me. For one thing they need to account for the fact that Lana and Chloe do not figure in Clark's life as Superman. That means they need to explain why Clark does not stay with Lana forever and why Chloe does not remain in his life after he moves to Metropolis. Another thing they need to do is lay the groundwork for Clark's relationship with Lex in later life. I'm not sufficiently versed in Superman lore to know exactly what their iconic relationship is, but in any event it seems to me Clark and Lex have had such a varied relationship in Smallville that the producers could end it any way they want and just pretend that's where they were headed all along. And finall

02-26-2008, 12:12 AM	#2333
mxlpdilk Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 197	And finally I think they need to explain how his Smallville experiences led Clark to decide two things about his adult life. First, what exactly leads him to accept his life as Superman instead of pursuing a private life of human domestic happiness? Second, will he trust the people he loves with the truth about himself? So here is my guess about how they will do it. Chloe saves Clarks life again but this time she does not come back to life because replenishing Clark's superhuman batteries drains her totally. Clark correctly blames Lex for it and they become permanent enemies. Clark is so distraught over losing Chloe that he decides to dedicate his life to fighting Lex and his kind. He decides to give up his personal relationships to do that, so he breaks up with Lana. In homage to Chloe he also decides to pursue her dream of exposing the Truth through a career in journalism. He resolves not to involve anyone else in his crime-fighting life since it was Chloe's involvement with

02-26-2008, 12:14 AM	#2334
mxlpdilk Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 197	since it was Chloe's involvement with him that got her killed so he decides to hide his identity from everyone from then on. Lana stops being evil and fades into obscurity. The fact that Clark temporarily lost her to the evil one through his fear of having his feelings hurt is ignored because Lana's redemption makes all the negative effects of Clark's 'Clana' mistakes go away (not really but that is what they will pretend). Since he expects to leave personal relationships behind (of course we know he will change his mind after he teams up with Lois at the Daily Planet) he can ignore the problems he created by hiding his true identity from Lana, so the quandary over whether he needs to hide that particular Truth is neatly avoided. That's what I'm guessing will happen even though I don't think it is adequate because Clana was the center of gravity of the Smallville narrative yet it does not have much impact on resolving these issues. I do feel that Clana is already over, and in fac

02-26-2008, 12:15 AM	#2335
mxlpdilk Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 197	I do feel that Clana is already over, and in fact that Smallville is over, and I kind of hope they end it this season because I can't imagine how they can stall for enough time to get another season out of it when it is clearly time for Clark to go to Metropolis IMO.

02-26-2008, 01:04 AM	#2336
cecil44 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 788	Slayfan, Mxlpdilk excellent posts as always! I agree with you Slayfan on the learning thing. Maybe this is one of those lessons he has to learn along the way! Poor hero-- guilt-ridden as usual! I think they need a lesson where he learns that not everything is his fault. In fact he needs to learn that MOST things(cough Lana cough) are not his fault.

02-26-2008, 01:13 AM	#2337
cecil44 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 788	Mxlpdilk I am with you on the things that need to be resolved. Except I would probably add: (a) Chlark's relationship (friendship) (b) Clana's relationship (non-platonic) because these two relationships have been among the three centermost relationships on this show. The three are: Clana, Chlark, and Clex. That said, I have a few questions regarding your resolutions. First, you already assume that Chloe will die, why would she have to die???? I know we got a major death anvil for Chloe in "Fracture", but you have to remember that we also got hints that her heart might be immortal in "Cure". But even going with your scenario where Chloe dies (and that would really be bad story-telling IMO), WHY WOULD CLARK BLAME LEX? It's not Lex's fault that Chloe is meteor infected. In fact Lex has no control over that whatsoever, so why would Clark blame Lex for Chloe's death?

02-26-2008, 01:22 AM	#2338
cecil44 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 788	Second question I have is WHY WOULD CLARK NEED CHLOE'S DEATH AS A MOTIVATION TO ACCEPT HIS DESTINY? If death is what motivates him, wouldn't Jonathan's have motivated him to do so? Or Alicia's? Kayla's? I just don't think that Chloe dying would be what motivates him to accept his destiny and so on... plus Superman CHOOSES to be SAVE humans. Superman does not need someone a tragedy to push him to saving humans and so on, he MAKES that decision because he WANTS to, not because of external forces. I would hate for Chloe to be the sacrificial lamb that pushes everyone to their iconic selfs. Lana is still in the comics running Lexcorp or something of the sort. So let's see in your scenario: Chloe dies, Clark decided to be superman as a result, Clark decides to pursue journalism as a result, Lois decides to pursue journalism seriously and honor her cousin as a result, Lana become Clark's friend and confidante as a result and Jimmy, well.. Jimmy remains as Jimmy I guess.

02-26-2008, 01:36 AM	#2339
cecil44 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 788	That basically makes Chloe the sacrificial Lamb, and because it's a scenario I hope does not happen, It is probably the MOST LIKELY to happen. Smallville never fails to disappoint me, even after a few wonderful episodes. Now Clana: I think they have been resolving Clana since the beginning of this year. First, they gave them a "real shot" without any secrets from Clark (and before I forget what do you mean by "Clark's 'Clana' mistakes"? ), now they are getting yet another 'real shot" since "Siren". Clark is slowly starting to open his eyes, the blinders are slowly coming off. That's the resolution that we need, for Clark's blinders to fall off since this is his story. Now CHLARK: Chloe and Lana have been set as the 'competition' since season 1. Then the show has gone to great lengths to show WHY Clana does not work and WHY Chlark works (their partnership). The show has also gone to great lengths to show us WHY Lana is wrong for Clark and WHY Chloe is right for Clark.

02-26-2008, 01:38 AM	#2340
cecil44 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 788	Now, I believe in Chlois, but even for those that do not, Chlarkana has been the major triangle of the show, Clark in the middle, Lana and Chloe the corners. If we didn't know that Clark/Supes ends with Lois, then in a classic sense, it would make sense that he will eventually realize that what he's been searching for has been under his nose all this time in the form of Chloe. So basically, I think I am starting to notice a resolution in these two relationships. Clark is becoming more protective of Chloe and slowly starting to acknowledge that the Lana he has now is not the Lana he fell in love with at the age of 5.