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cecil44 · 02-22-2008, 04:17 PM

basically Chloe has sacrificed and sacrificed and sacrificed and from a storytelling perspective, I don't think it works to have to person who sacrifices loose everything in the end. But then again this is Smallville where Lana is the beginning, the middle and the end. Lana is where the sun shines and where the sun sets, Lana is the mother, the queen, the princess, the goddess and the ruler. So yeah, I am almost sure they will have Lana sacrifice her happiness for the sake of mankind by the end of the series.

cecil44 · 02-22-2008, 04:18 PM

Sooo SORRY! I went on a bitter streak there

hehe... yeah Smallville all things Lana tend to make me bitter. All better now

cecil44 · 02-22-2008, 04:37 PM

Now on the LEXANA thing. It's funny Mxlpdilk, you want explicit details why Lana was attracted to Lex? I think they showed us clearly and beyond a shadow of doubt why and how Lana ended up falling in love with Lex. Now I have explained this before, so I won't repeat myself, but IMO, it was shown in late season 5, early season 6. The Lexana hints starts as far back as season 1 (Nicodemus) and the then becomes more prominent in season 5 (from the episode before "Splinter" I think-- The episode where Lex saves Lana by taking a bullet for her I think was "Lockdown"). Now, they actually showed more of WHY Lana and Lex work well together, and why they made a better couple than Clana. They have even done that in season 7 ("Gemini", "Persona" "Siren"). What I would like to see is WHY Clana are supposedly meant to be. They have never told us anything like "Why is Clark in love with Lana"?

cecil44 · 02-22-2008, 04:38 PM

What does Clark like so much about Lana that he can't get from the other women in his life? and the same thing from Lana's side "WHY CLARK?" Now, those are the things I would like addressed since all we've been told is that these two love each other, would do anything for the other and so on, but now WHY--- and since CLana has been a big relationship in Smallville this should be addressed clearly, it would even make the relationship more bearable IMO, if we knew why they can't seem to get over the other or to see each other clearly. So far it's been shown as a merely superficial thing, nothing deep-- look at the way Clark says in "Siren"== even while he knows that Lana can hack through stuff (apparently as well as Chloe! MAGIC!), he practically tells Chloe that she's (Chloe) irreplaceable.

cecil44 · 02-22-2008, 04:38 PM

So he loves working with Chloe, he also gets his emotional support from Chloe (we've seen this countless of times), and he respects Chloe's decisions ("Fracture"). So basically the keep showing us WHY Chloe and Clark work soo well as partners/friends, but show us only superficial details about Clana. If you ask me, they have done this intentionally, so Clana was never written as "Meant for each other" otherwise they would have written it to show why Clark cannot live without Lana etc... instead they have gone to great pains to show why Clark needs Chloe in his life (specifically: Labyrinth, Bizarro, Cure and Siren). So it has to be intentional, and if that's the case, I do not want a nonclimactic ending to the long never-endng Clana. I have endured enough drama, angst and boredom that I want a GREAT ending to the relationship. Not another ending where Clark comes out as a doofus. This is Clark's story.

cecil44 · 02-22-2008, 04:39 PM

He should emerge the winner, he should emerge as superman-- it should be his decision, his realization. Which is also why I would have for him to end the relationship because of Lana sleeping with Lex/Bizarro. I want him to end it because he knows what he wants, and because he realizes he's been blind all this time!

cecil44 · 02-22-2008, 05:12 PM

CLARK AND LEX: I think I have written enough posts for a week, hehe! But I want to reply to the Clark is selfish etc etc... Alacia explained when and why Clark gave up on Lex when he did. I disagree with you that Clark seems selfish for this. He gave up on Lex because he did not know that there was any good left in him. But he actually say that there is still some good side struggling to get out, he saw it face to face, talked to it even, hence the "I'll always be there for you" line. Basically he saw the "good side" of Lex that he thought was gone forever, he even says this: "Now that I know that you are still here" or something close to that. Basically he didn't know that that side still existed, but now he knows, now he would actually appear un-Supermanly if he gave up on Lex completely, because he now knows FOR SURE and without a doubt that Lex still has some good in him, no matter how small and that that "good" is struggling to come out.

cecil44 · 02-22-2008, 05:12 PM

He also now knows why Lex is struggling to be completely evil, and that's because he believes that the good side is making him weak. He's been told countless of times by Lionel that "He's weak" and that weakness was always seen as a bad thing in the eyes of the one person Lex really craved love from. So Clark deciding that there is still some hope for Lex is not being selfish, and has nothing to do with the events of 33.1 or Lana (and I think I should note here that the time he gave up on Lex in season 5 Lana and his parents are the ones that were almost killed). It has to do with the fact that then he didn't know that Lex had some good in him left, now he knows 100 %.

slayfan · 02-23-2008, 06:23 PM

Cecil, I have to say I agree with you about the end of Clana. I agree that it has to be because CLARK realizes that the relationship is not working or whatever and HE has to be the one to end it so that he will be free and clear to move towards his destiny. If they make Lana the one to break if off they are basically saying that Clark ony moves on because he had no choise and if given a choise he would choose his perfect little life with his perfect little Lana. To me this doesn't just go off course with who superman is in the comics and movies, this completely re-writes it, and as far as I'm concerned destroys the beleivability that Lois is his destiny (as you pointed out).

slayfan · 02-23-2008, 06:29 PM

A quick example is in the Superman Returns movie, when his is looking so wistfully at Lois as she is with her fiance and son, it is obvious that he loves her deeply. I very much doubt that he is looking at them and thinking 'Gee, I could have had this with Lana." Or when he crashed back to earth in Smallville he didn't run over to see his highschool sweetheart, no he didn't, he set out to get back to his old life in metropolis, at the DP and most importantly, with Lois. Therefore, even taking into consideration the creative license the writers of Smallville often use, in no way should Clark be left as the one who wanted to stay together!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Give the man his b.. um, guts back.

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02-22-2008, 04:17 PM	#2321
cecil44 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 788	basically Chloe has sacrificed and sacrificed and sacrificed and from a storytelling perspective, I don't think it works to have to person who sacrifices loose everything in the end. But then again this is Smallville where Lana is the beginning, the middle and the end. Lana is where the sun shines and where the sun sets, Lana is the mother, the queen, the princess, the goddess and the ruler. So yeah, I am almost sure they will have Lana sacrifice her happiness for the sake of mankind by the end of the series.

02-22-2008, 04:18 PM	#2322
cecil44 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 788	Sooo SORRY! I went on a bitter streak there hehe... yeah Smallville all things Lana tend to make me bitter. All better now

02-22-2008, 04:37 PM	#2323
cecil44 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 788	Now on the LEXANA thing. It's funny Mxlpdilk, you want explicit details why Lana was attracted to Lex? I think they showed us clearly and beyond a shadow of doubt why and how Lana ended up falling in love with Lex. Now I have explained this before, so I won't repeat myself, but IMO, it was shown in late season 5, early season 6. The Lexana hints starts as far back as season 1 (Nicodemus) and the then becomes more prominent in season 5 (from the episode before "Splinter" I think-- The episode where Lex saves Lana by taking a bullet for her I think was "Lockdown"). Now, they actually showed more of WHY Lana and Lex work well together, and why they made a better couple than Clana. They have even done that in season 7 ("Gemini", "Persona" "Siren"). What I would like to see is WHY Clana are supposedly meant to be. They have never told us anything like "Why is Clark in love with Lana"?

02-22-2008, 04:38 PM	#2324
cecil44 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 788	What does Clark like so much about Lana that he can't get from the other women in his life? and the same thing from Lana's side "WHY CLARK?" Now, those are the things I would like addressed since all we've been told is that these two love each other, would do anything for the other and so on, but now WHY--- and since CLana has been a big relationship in Smallville this should be addressed clearly, it would even make the relationship more bearable IMO, if we knew why they can't seem to get over the other or to see each other clearly. So far it's been shown as a merely superficial thing, nothing deep-- look at the way Clark says in "Siren"== even while he knows that Lana can hack through stuff (apparently as well as Chloe! MAGIC!), he practically tells Chloe that she's (Chloe) irreplaceable.

02-22-2008, 04:38 PM	#2325
cecil44 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 788	So he loves working with Chloe, he also gets his emotional support from Chloe (we've seen this countless of times), and he respects Chloe's decisions ("Fracture"). So basically the keep showing us WHY Chloe and Clark work soo well as partners/friends, but show us only superficial details about Clana. If you ask me, they have done this intentionally, so Clana was never written as "Meant for each other" otherwise they would have written it to show why Clark cannot live without Lana etc... instead they have gone to great pains to show why Clark needs Chloe in his life (specifically: Labyrinth, Bizarro, Cure and Siren). So it has to be intentional, and if that's the case, I do not want a nonclimactic ending to the long never-endng Clana. I have endured enough drama, angst and boredom that I want a GREAT ending to the relationship. Not another ending where Clark comes out as a doofus. This is Clark's story.

02-22-2008, 04:39 PM	#2326
cecil44 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 788	He should emerge the winner, he should emerge as superman-- it should be his decision, his realization. Which is also why I would have for him to end the relationship because of Lana sleeping with Lex/Bizarro. I want him to end it because he knows what he wants, and because he realizes he's been blind all this time!

02-22-2008, 05:12 PM	#2327
cecil44 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 788	CLARK AND LEX: I think I have written enough posts for a week, hehe! But I want to reply to the Clark is selfish etc etc... Alacia explained when and why Clark gave up on Lex when he did. I disagree with you that Clark seems selfish for this. He gave up on Lex because he did not know that there was any good left in him. But he actually say that there is still some good side struggling to get out, he saw it face to face, talked to it even, hence the "I'll always be there for you" line. Basically he saw the "good side" of Lex that he thought was gone forever, he even says this: "Now that I know that you are still here" or something close to that. Basically he didn't know that that side still existed, but now he knows, now he would actually appear un-Supermanly if he gave up on Lex completely, because he now knows FOR SURE and without a doubt that Lex still has some good in him, no matter how small and that that "good" is struggling to come out.

02-22-2008, 05:12 PM	#2328
cecil44 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 788	He also now knows why Lex is struggling to be completely evil, and that's because he believes that the good side is making him weak. He's been told countless of times by Lionel that "He's weak" and that weakness was always seen as a bad thing in the eyes of the one person Lex really craved love from. So Clark deciding that there is still some hope for Lex is not being selfish, and has nothing to do with the events of 33.1 or Lana (and I think I should note here that the time he gave up on Lex in season 5 Lana and his parents are the ones that were almost killed). It has to do with the fact that then he didn't know that Lex had some good in him left, now he knows 100 %.

02-23-2008, 06:23 PM	#2329
slayfan Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 199	Cecil, I have to say I agree with you about the end of Clana. I agree that it has to be because CLARK realizes that the relationship is not working or whatever and HE has to be the one to end it so that he will be free and clear to move towards his destiny. If they make Lana the one to break if off they are basically saying that Clark ony moves on because he had no choise and if given a choise he would choose his perfect little life with his perfect little Lana. To me this doesn't just go off course with who superman is in the comics and movies, this completely re-writes it, and as far as I'm concerned destroys the beleivability that Lois is his destiny (as you pointed out).

02-23-2008, 06:29 PM	#2330
slayfan Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 199	A quick example is in the Superman Returns movie, when his is looking so wistfully at Lois as she is with her fiance and son, it is obvious that he loves her deeply. I very much doubt that he is looking at them and thinking 'Gee, I could have had this with Lana." Or when he crashed back to earth in Smallville he didn't run over to see his highschool sweetheart, no he didn't, he set out to get back to his old life in metropolis, at the DP and most importantly, with Lois. Therefore, even taking into consideration the creative license the writers of Smallville often use, in no way should Clark be left as the one who wanted to stay together!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Give the man his b.. um, guts back.