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slayfan · 02-20-2008, 06:27 PM

Okay I can't leave without at least mentioning Lana. My God did I want to slap her when she told Chloe to let go of Clark, I was definately thinking of Cecils comments of throwing her tv, but then at the begining of Siren when her and Clark were so awkward and tense in the kitchen I felt a tiny bit sorry for her. However, thankfully I quickly came to my senses by the end of the ep.

alacia88 · 02-20-2008, 07:46 PM

Welcome back Slyfan!!! We've missed you too!! Great comments on Fracture. It definitely was a very interesting episode leaving us with a lot to swallow. I loved how we first saw Alexander's eye peeping out of Lex's memory of Kara floating in the water. Affirming the separation of Lex's "saved"/good side vs. his evil side.

slayfan · 02-20-2008, 07:58 PM

Yes and I liked that good lex was a little kid and evil lex was this grown, strong man, thus enforcing the idea that his evil side has taken over but that there is still that little part of him that is the good caring friend he used to be. As with the episode where he was split in two I liked this look into the struggle that rages within himself. Although I thought as I was watching that as Clark was fading into the red door we would see evil Lex kill the boy inisde him with Clark unable to do anything but come out of his head. I'm glad though that that hasen't happened, yet. We all know that eventually he becomes completely evil but I do like that small glipse of the Lex we fell in love with. I guess I'm not completely ready to let him go.

cecil44 · 02-20-2008, 11:39 PM

SLAYFAN! YEAH YOU ARE BACK!!! I've missed your posts greatly! Welcome back and sorry about your computer!

mxlpdilk · 02-20-2008, 11:58 PM

As usual I love reading your insightful and informed posts Cecil and Alacia. And Slayfan it is good to hear from you again too, sorry to hear about your computer problems. It is kind of depressing to think that what made Clark consider Lex to be evil in previous years was knowing he was still investigating him, but now he thinks of Lex as gray even though he knows about 33.1, what he did to Lana, etc. It seems to imply Clark is so selfish and egocentric that the only things he considers "evil" are things that happen to him that he doesn't like, and of course we know he is not supposed to be like that. So I guess that's just another character inconsistency I'll attribute to clumsy writing. Alacia's idea that the show led us to believe Clark and Lana were meant for each other rings true for me, even though it is also true that we all knew Clana could not last. That's why I felt cheated when they ended it the way they did, without softening the blow caused by the complete turn about

mxlpdilk · 02-21-2008, 12:00 AM

. After reading recent posts above I see another possible way they could have ended it. They could have given Lana the healing power instead of Chloe, let her be the one to save Clark's life and sacrifice her own, and then they would not have needed the wrenching reversal of the apparent "made for each other" love that was Clana. I know, Lana lives on in the comics, but remember that the Warrior Angel episode told us Smallville doesn't need to match the comics perfectly. ------ "Lois doesn't know the intimate details about Clana, so she's making assumptions." This reminds me - do you remember when Lana met Lois in the Talon when she was picking up coffee for her and Lex and they ended up talking for three hours? Lois surmised Lana was seeing Lex and Lana said "He's not my boyfriend" and then they talked about it offscreen. I have been waiting for Lois to tell us what she found out in that conversation because we still have no explicit explanations why Lana was attracted to Lex,

mxlpdilk · 02-21-2008, 12:02 AM

instead we've been purposely left to speculate on our own. The contents of that conversation could be very enlightening but by this time I have concluded it is probably just another clumsy loose end they will never tie up.

cecil44 · 02-22-2008, 03:08 PM

Mxlpdilk, hehe when I read the posts above it almost sounds as if Clana is over! wouldn't that be awesome! But the thing is, Clana is still very much alive, so I would say they are "softening the blow" as you put it. Remember that Clana is still having their "real shot" and this time without secrets from both side-- Lana knows Clark's secret, Clark knows all the shady Lana dealings. So in a way I think they are being given their 100012675431 chance at "true love" whatever that is. Although Mxlpdilk you seem to really want Lana to remain the sacrificial lamb in this show. I think it's unfair, I understand you are a Lana fan, but if they made Lana sacrifice her life for Clark it would be completely out of character for Lana. Lana does not sacrifice her life for others, others sacrifice their lives for her. It's always been that way. Yet she comes off the victim. No thank you.

cecil44 · 02-22-2008, 03:09 PM

I have seen enough of poor victim Lana to want to see it again. And I am very sure she will emerge as the sweet innocent one in the end anyways, the one who will tell Clark to go off to save the world while she sacrifices her own happiness and so on. And I think it will be completely unfair! Chloe having the healing power (as much as I hate it with a passion) actually goes with who Chloe is since we met her. She sacrifices her happiness for others. We've seen this a lot in the way she's sacrificed her happiness for Clark's and Lana's happiness. Chloe sacrificing her life for Clark is in character, Lana doing it? Totally out of character. Plus after SEVEN years of Clana, I think it's a bit unfair to have Lana die so that everyone will say that he would still be with Lana if she was alive?? No way! This is Superman mythology where we know he's with Lois because he wants Lois, because Lois is his soulmate and not because he can't have Lana.

cecil44 · 02-22-2008, 03:17 PM

Lana dying would imply just that hence tainting the Superman mythology. As a superman fan, I say, Thankyou, but no Thank you!! Now on a selfish note, I also want Lana to get what she deserves! And that's not to end up being the exalted again. I want Lois to emerge the winner (whoever Lois turns out to be) because after watching Lana rule Smallville for SEVEN years, no, I don't think it's fair at all for all the other fans who are not Clana fans to be crapped on again, and again, and again! I've watched this show since Pilot, I've seen Lana always get the upper hand, and as a Chloe fan,I can assure you that it's been a sad sad road for us. We see Chloe always get the short end of the stick, always. Loses Clark to Lana, loses Jimmy to Kara, loses her DP unique Thing to Lois and so on and so on...

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02-20-2008, 06:27 PM	#2311
slayfan Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 199	Okay I can't leave without at least mentioning Lana. My God did I want to slap her when she told Chloe to let go of Clark, I was definately thinking of Cecils comments of throwing her tv, but then at the begining of Siren when her and Clark were so awkward and tense in the kitchen I felt a tiny bit sorry for her. However, thankfully I quickly came to my senses by the end of the ep.

02-20-2008, 07:46 PM	#2312
alacia88 Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 153	Welcome back Slyfan!!! We've missed you too!! Great comments on Fracture. It definitely was a very interesting episode leaving us with a lot to swallow. I loved how we first saw Alexander's eye peeping out of Lex's memory of Kara floating in the water. Affirming the separation of Lex's "saved"/good side vs. his evil side.

02-20-2008, 07:58 PM	#2313
slayfan Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 199	Yes and I liked that good lex was a little kid and evil lex was this grown, strong man, thus enforcing the idea that his evil side has taken over but that there is still that little part of him that is the good caring friend he used to be. As with the episode where he was split in two I liked this look into the struggle that rages within himself. Although I thought as I was watching that as Clark was fading into the red door we would see evil Lex kill the boy inisde him with Clark unable to do anything but come out of his head. I'm glad though that that hasen't happened, yet. We all know that eventually he becomes completely evil but I do like that small glipse of the Lex we fell in love with. I guess I'm not completely ready to let him go.

02-20-2008, 11:39 PM	#2314
cecil44 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 788	SLAYFAN! YEAH YOU ARE BACK!!! I've missed your posts greatly! Welcome back and sorry about your computer!

02-20-2008, 11:58 PM	#2315
mxlpdilk Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 197	As usual I love reading your insightful and informed posts Cecil and Alacia. And Slayfan it is good to hear from you again too, sorry to hear about your computer problems. It is kind of depressing to think that what made Clark consider Lex to be evil in previous years was knowing he was still investigating him, but now he thinks of Lex as gray even though he knows about 33.1, what he did to Lana, etc. It seems to imply Clark is so selfish and egocentric that the only things he considers "evil" are things that happen to him that he doesn't like, and of course we know he is not supposed to be like that. So I guess that's just another character inconsistency I'll attribute to clumsy writing. Alacia's idea that the show led us to believe Clark and Lana were meant for each other rings true for me, even though it is also true that we all knew Clana could not last. That's why I felt cheated when they ended it the way they did, without softening the blow caused by the complete turn about

02-21-2008, 12:00 AM	#2316
mxlpdilk Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 197	. After reading recent posts above I see another possible way they could have ended it. They could have given Lana the healing power instead of Chloe, let her be the one to save Clark's life and sacrifice her own, and then they would not have needed the wrenching reversal of the apparent "made for each other" love that was Clana. I know, Lana lives on in the comics, but remember that the Warrior Angel episode told us Smallville doesn't need to match the comics perfectly. ------ "Lois doesn't know the intimate details about Clana, so she's making assumptions." This reminds me - do you remember when Lana met Lois in the Talon when she was picking up coffee for her and Lex and they ended up talking for three hours? Lois surmised Lana was seeing Lex and Lana said "He's not my boyfriend" and then they talked about it offscreen. I have been waiting for Lois to tell us what she found out in that conversation because we still have no explicit explanations why Lana was attracted to Lex,

02-21-2008, 12:02 AM	#2317
mxlpdilk Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 197	instead we've been purposely left to speculate on our own. The contents of that conversation could be very enlightening but by this time I have concluded it is probably just another clumsy loose end they will never tie up.

02-22-2008, 03:08 PM	#2318
cecil44 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 788	Mxlpdilk, hehe when I read the posts above it almost sounds as if Clana is over! wouldn't that be awesome! But the thing is, Clana is still very much alive, so I would say they are "softening the blow" as you put it. Remember that Clana is still having their "real shot" and this time without secrets from both side-- Lana knows Clark's secret, Clark knows all the shady Lana dealings. So in a way I think they are being given their 100012675431 chance at "true love" whatever that is. Although Mxlpdilk you seem to really want Lana to remain the sacrificial lamb in this show. I think it's unfair, I understand you are a Lana fan, but if they made Lana sacrifice her life for Clark it would be completely out of character for Lana. Lana does not sacrifice her life for others, others sacrifice their lives for her. It's always been that way. Yet she comes off the victim. No thank you.

02-22-2008, 03:09 PM	#2319
cecil44 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 788	I have seen enough of poor victim Lana to want to see it again. And I am very sure she will emerge as the sweet innocent one in the end anyways, the one who will tell Clark to go off to save the world while she sacrifices her own happiness and so on. And I think it will be completely unfair! Chloe having the healing power (as much as I hate it with a passion) actually goes with who Chloe is since we met her. She sacrifices her happiness for others. We've seen this a lot in the way she's sacrificed her happiness for Clark's and Lana's happiness. Chloe sacrificing her life for Clark is in character, Lana doing it? Totally out of character. Plus after SEVEN years of Clana, I think it's a bit unfair to have Lana die so that everyone will say that he would still be with Lana if she was alive?? No way! This is Superman mythology where we know he's with Lois because he wants Lois, because Lois is his soulmate and not because he can't have Lana.

02-22-2008, 03:17 PM	#2320
cecil44 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 788	Lana dying would imply just that hence tainting the Superman mythology. As a superman fan, I say, Thankyou, but no Thank you!! Now on a selfish note, I also want Lana to get what she deserves! And that's not to end up being the exalted again. I want Lois to emerge the winner (whoever Lois turns out to be) because after watching Lana rule Smallville for SEVEN years, no, I don't think it's fair at all for all the other fans who are not Clana fans to be crapped on again, and again, and again! I've watched this show since Pilot, I've seen Lana always get the upper hand, and as a Chloe fan,I can assure you that it's been a sad sad road for us. We see Chloe always get the short end of the stick, always. Loses Clark to Lana, loses Jimmy to Kara, loses her DP unique Thing to Lois and so on and so on...