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cecil44 · 02-17-2008, 01:05 PM

I mean Clark was waiting by Chloe's bed for 18 hours, so where was Lana? and wasn't she worried about her boyfriend's life??? It just seemed sooo odd! I know I am who hated Clana with a passion, but I would have liked to see a Clana scene where Lana at least finds out that Clark is ok, and so on. But oh well, this is Smallville where all the logical scenes happen offscreen!

lanasdagirl · 02-17-2008, 05:04 PM

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mxlpdilk · 02-17-2008, 11:52 PM

Alacia, I'm drawing a blank on your two questions. As for Chloe accepting Lana as a sidekick, I guess I don't really see her as having much choice there but I missed that part of the show so I may not get the point. Re they both need to stay alive I think Cecil is probably right, Chloe needs to stay alive to help Clark and possibly save his life again. It irks me that they are emphasizing she was chosen because that seems to imply some divine or semi-divine intercession and that is the very thing that I think was missing in the entire Clana story. Because if Lana was chosen for Clark (which in fact Chloe has suggested and Lois too) then Clark blew it completely with her despite that (semi-)divine help. And if she was not chosen then why should Chloe be, and why wasn't someone else chosen for him as a soulmate? It seems inconsistent, which I guess I should expect by now.

cecil44 · 02-18-2008, 12:26 PM

Alacia: On Chloe accepting Lana as a sidekick

-- I really don't think Lana was a sidekick in this episode. I blame it on writers because they did not even need Lana to tell them about project Intercept (was that the name?). Lionel could have told them since he was the one that created it, so Lana was not needed at all. But to keep Lana in the episode, they had to give her something to do, so they gave her the stupid little storyline otherwise her only scene would have been the Lexana sex scene and the two seconds one where she is telling Clark that the machine is dangerous. So my answer to your question? It was the only way to make Lana useful in that episode. Also she really din't do any hacking, just got information on the Luthors--- she was a Luthor afterall!

cecil44 · 02-18-2008, 01:22 PM

Mxlpdilk: I am not sure I understand what you are asking: But the "CHOSEN" part is in regards to the GIFT that Chloe has, not in regards to being chosen for Clark or anything. Also it would make sense if Chloe was CHOSEN to save Clark (and die permanently this time) because we know that Chloe has the biggest heart of everyone Clark knows. This is canon. It's also canon that Chloe always puts others first, so it would make sense that she was given such a self-sacrificing gift. Lana was not Chosen for Clark. Lana was Clark's high school crush, and Clark's FIRST love. I don't think Clark blew it with Lana, and I am actually amazed that even after all that Lana has done that it is Clark being blamed here. But of course YMMV, so I won't argue that point. Chloe and Lois never said that Lana was the chosen one, Chloe told Clark that Lana was the "love of his life" in "Blank" and Lois said that Clana was "the perfect couple, destined to be together" in "Siren".

cecil44 · 02-18-2008, 01:23 PM

Obviously we the audience know this is not true, because in "Siren" Clana is far from the perfect couple. They are almost breaking up. Lois doesn't know the intimate details about Clana, so she's making assumptions based on the fact that they've been on and off for years now. Chloe said that in "Blank" because she knows Clark's been in love with Lana for quite sometime by then. Only LIONEL said Lana was the CHOSEN one and he was talking about the STONES they were searching for in season 4-- when Lana was dating Jason. We know Lionel was wrong because the stones were not meant for Lana, they were meant for Clark to build his Fortress of Solitude. So basically Lana was NOT the Chosen one. By following Mythology, we know that Clark will end up with Lois, so neither Chloe nor Lana fall in "soulmate" category at the moment. I honestly don't see why you find it so hard to accept Clana as was shown.

cecil44 · 02-18-2008, 03:16 PM

It went on forever, and I think both of them (Clark and Lana) are just too different. They have nothing in common, so it's not a stretch to say that they were not meant to be. It's been shown over and over and over why the two of them are not destined to be together. They "love" each other, but they really don't know each other that well. It's not about Clark's secret, they are just too different. Clark thinks that Lana makes him feel normal, because he sees Lana as the sweet-innocent-girl-next-door up until "Wrath". He refuses to let go of that image because doing that means accepting that he is not "normal" by definition. He's still has to figure out that being "normal" is, like Chloe said, over-rated. Lana on the other hand is far from the girl who can make him feel normal because Lana herself feels like she does not "belong". She has said so to Chloe, to Lex, and to Clark in season 4 and season 5.

cecil44 · 02-18-2008, 03:16 PM

Lana can't make Clark feel like he belongs if she herself does not feel the same way. Plus we know the kind of girl that Clark needs. He needs a girl who will make him feel "normal and special" at the same time. These two things make him who he is. He is "normal" in terms of emotions-he feels love, anger, hurt, sad, and so on. He's "special" because he's an alien with special gifts/abilities/powers. But more than anything he's SPECIAL because he has heart like no other, because he chooses to be a hero, to save the world, to use his powers for the greater good of mankind and to believe in humanity, in this race that raised him.

mxlpdilk · 02-19-2008, 12:03 PM

Cecil, you are right of course, and I guess I have made my point often enough now. I just couldn't resist one more complaint after they presented Chloe as "chosen" because it seems to me that whoever did the "choosing" should have also been paying more attention during the past decade (or more? see below) while Clark has been so distracted by his desire for Lana that he has ignored his calling to save the world, and even avoided the training Raya told him he will need to save the world. If there is some superhuman force in the universe looking out for Clark (and for the world, through Clark) I would have expected them to provide him with more sense. Or perhaps more appropriately (especially if you buy the theory of Lana's meteor power) they shouldn't have given Lana the power to make Clark love and protect her above everything else. But I'll try to stop now. Maybe I can distract you with a couple of questions only someone as well-versed as you can answer.

1-What was it tha

mxlpdilk · 02-19-2008, 12:16 PM

1-What was it that made Clark decide for awhile that Lex could not be trusted? He seems to be back to wanting to trust him again now but for awhile, starting in the episode when he had to go to court to support Lex's lawsuit against Lionel, he seemed to have decided Lex was pure evil. I remember he showed up late at court and made it clear to Lex that he was testifying not out of friendship but only out of a sense of duty. But I also remember not understanding why he had given up hope for him. I guess I'm trying to take the long view and understand what has made him shift back and forth on Lex. I'm also wondering 2-why you say Clark has been in love with Lana since the age of five. I remember a scene where Lana brought him a birthday cake and he told her he had been wishing for the same thing ever since he was ten. Do you remember something indicating his fixation goes back even further?

02-18-2008, 12:26 PM	#2294
cecil44 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 788	Alacia: On Chloe accepting Lana as a sidekick-- I really don't think Lana was a sidekick in this episode. I blame it on writers because they did not even need Lana to tell them about project Intercept (was that the name?). Lionel could have told them since he was the one that created it, so Lana was not needed at all. But to keep Lana in the episode, they had to give her something to do, so they gave her the stupid little storyline otherwise her only scene would have been the Lexana sex scene and the two seconds one where she is telling Clark that the machine is dangerous. So my answer to your question? It was the only way to make Lana useful in that episode. Also she really din't do any hacking, just got information on the Luthors--- she was a Luthor afterall!

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02-17-2008, 01:05 PM	#2291
cecil44 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 788	I mean Clark was waiting by Chloe's bed for 18 hours, so where was Lana? and wasn't she worried about her boyfriend's life??? It just seemed sooo odd! I know I am who hated Clana with a passion, but I would have liked to see a Clana scene where Lana at least finds out that Clark is ok, and so on. But oh well, this is Smallville where all the logical scenes happen offscreen!

02-17-2008, 05:04 PM	#2292
lanasdagirl Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 276	to buddytv staff: our profiles are now so cluttered...it would be nice if we were able to close some of the boxes.

02-17-2008, 11:52 PM	#2293
mxlpdilk Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 197	Alacia, I'm drawing a blank on your two questions. As for Chloe accepting Lana as a sidekick, I guess I don't really see her as having much choice there but I missed that part of the show so I may not get the point. Re they both need to stay alive I think Cecil is probably right, Chloe needs to stay alive to help Clark and possibly save his life again. It irks me that they are emphasizing she was chosen because that seems to imply some divine or semi-divine intercession and that is the very thing that I think was missing in the entire Clana story. Because if Lana was chosen for Clark (which in fact Chloe has suggested and Lois too) then Clark blew it completely with her despite that (semi-)divine help. And if she was not chosen then why should Chloe be, and why wasn't someone else chosen for him as a soulmate? It seems inconsistent, which I guess I should expect by now.

02-18-2008, 01:22 PM	#2295
cecil44 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 788	Mxlpdilk: I am not sure I understand what you are asking: But the "CHOSEN" part is in regards to the GIFT that Chloe has, not in regards to being chosen for Clark or anything. Also it would make sense if Chloe was CHOSEN to save Clark (and die permanently this time) because we know that Chloe has the biggest heart of everyone Clark knows. This is canon. It's also canon that Chloe always puts others first, so it would make sense that she was given such a self-sacrificing gift. Lana was not Chosen for Clark. Lana was Clark's high school crush, and Clark's FIRST love. I don't think Clark blew it with Lana, and I am actually amazed that even after all that Lana has done that it is Clark being blamed here. But of course YMMV, so I won't argue that point. Chloe and Lois never said that Lana was the chosen one, Chloe told Clark that Lana was the "love of his life" in "Blank" and Lois said that Clana was "the perfect couple, destined to be together" in "Siren".

02-18-2008, 01:23 PM	#2296
cecil44 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 788	Obviously we the audience know this is not true, because in "Siren" Clana is far from the perfect couple. They are almost breaking up. Lois doesn't know the intimate details about Clana, so she's making assumptions based on the fact that they've been on and off for years now. Chloe said that in "Blank" because she knows Clark's been in love with Lana for quite sometime by then. Only LIONEL said Lana was the CHOSEN one and he was talking about the STONES they were searching for in season 4-- when Lana was dating Jason. We know Lionel was wrong because the stones were not meant for Lana, they were meant for Clark to build his Fortress of Solitude. So basically Lana was NOT the Chosen one. By following Mythology, we know that Clark will end up with Lois, so neither Chloe nor Lana fall in "soulmate" category at the moment. I honestly don't see why you find it so hard to accept Clana as was shown.

02-18-2008, 03:16 PM	#2297
cecil44 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 788	It went on forever, and I think both of them (Clark and Lana) are just too different. They have nothing in common, so it's not a stretch to say that they were not meant to be. It's been shown over and over and over why the two of them are not destined to be together. They "love" each other, but they really don't know each other that well. It's not about Clark's secret, they are just too different. Clark thinks that Lana makes him feel normal, because he sees Lana as the sweet-innocent-girl-next-door up until "Wrath". He refuses to let go of that image because doing that means accepting that he is not "normal" by definition. He's still has to figure out that being "normal" is, like Chloe said, over-rated. Lana on the other hand is far from the girl who can make him feel normal because Lana herself feels like she does not "belong". She has said so to Chloe, to Lex, and to Clark in season 4 and season 5.

02-18-2008, 03:16 PM	#2298
cecil44 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 788	Lana can't make Clark feel like he belongs if she herself does not feel the same way. Plus we know the kind of girl that Clark needs. He needs a girl who will make him feel "normal and special" at the same time. These two things make him who he is. He is "normal" in terms of emotions-he feels love, anger, hurt, sad, and so on. He's "special" because he's an alien with special gifts/abilities/powers. But more than anything he's SPECIAL because he has heart like no other, because he chooses to be a hero, to save the world, to use his powers for the greater good of mankind and to believe in humanity, in this race that raised him.

02-19-2008, 12:03 PM	#2299
mxlpdilk Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 197	Cecil, you are right of course, and I guess I have made my point often enough now. I just couldn't resist one more complaint after they presented Chloe as "chosen" because it seems to me that whoever did the "choosing" should have also been paying more attention during the past decade (or more? see below) while Clark has been so distracted by his desire for Lana that he has ignored his calling to save the world, and even avoided the training Raya told him he will need to save the world. If there is some superhuman force in the universe looking out for Clark (and for the world, through Clark) I would have expected them to provide him with more sense. Or perhaps more appropriately (especially if you buy the theory of Lana's meteor power) they shouldn't have given Lana the power to make Clark love and protect her above everything else. But I'll try to stop now. Maybe I can distract you with a couple of questions only someone as well-versed as you can answer. 1-What was it tha

02-19-2008, 12:16 PM	#2300
mxlpdilk Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 197	1-What was it that made Clark decide for awhile that Lex could not be trusted? He seems to be back to wanting to trust him again now but for awhile, starting in the episode when he had to go to court to support Lex's lawsuit against Lionel, he seemed to have decided Lex was pure evil. I remember he showed up late at court and made it clear to Lex that he was testifying not out of friendship but only out of a sense of duty. But I also remember not understanding why he had given up hope for him. I guess I'm trying to take the long view and understand what has made him shift back and forth on Lex. I'm also wondering 2-why you say Clark has been in love with Lana since the age of five. I remember a scene where Lana brought him a birthday cake and he told her he had been wishing for the same thing ever since he was ten. Do you remember something indicating his fixation goes back even further?