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cecil44 · 01-14-2008, 01:51 PM

And that's my problem with Lana--- I don't hate her for being a selfish, manipulative, fickle character. In fact, I think such traits make her that much more interesting. My problem (and why I hate Lana) is because there are traits that are not acknowledged onscreen by the other characters. IF they acknowledged it, and if Lana acted like that and knew she was like that and either embraced it or paid for it and got redeemed, then i wouldn't have a problem. Instead we have idiotic writers who write Lana one way and then have the other characters react to her in a different way. If they want Lana to remain the pure, sweet, kind, girl-next-door fairly princess that she was at the beginning why not write her exactly like that?? Why make her dark? why taint her image by writing her in the Lexana thing?

cecil44 · 01-14-2008, 01:52 PM

Then the writers realize "oops we messed up" and to "correct" the mess they write in the stupid Fake!baby plot which made absolutely no sense and to top it off they made Lionel evil for just that day to "force" Lana to marry Lex (apparently all of sudden Lana didn't love Lex anymore) and "trap" her in a loveless marriage hence canonizing Lana and making her into a matyr again. Why Write Lana the way they did in "Wrath" and then brush it aside in "Blue" as if it was nothing? Why write Lana as a thief? attempted murderer? liar? Stalker? and so on? My point here is that I hate Lana because this character makes absolutely no sense. She's inconsistently written, incoherent and most of the time just plain annoying because I'm always left with "WTF" expression. A character can either be sweet, loving, caring, kind, pure and all that, or a villainess, evil, or dark. But you can't be both. Lana is both. She's portrayed one way, then the characters see her another way

cecil44 · 01-14-2008, 01:54 PM

It makes all the other characters seem and look bad. I hated Chloe/Lana scenes because it was always about Lana (secrets and lies, trust issues etc), never about their friendship. I hated Lex/Lana scenes because Lex no longer had balls to be the villain he's suppossed to become. I hated Jason/Lana because Jason's character had to be assassinated to make Lana the matyr, I hate, hate, hate Clark/Lana scenes because Clark is no longer the hero of the story-- he is a rolled-up-puppy worshipping a life doll. He's no longer Clark-future superman, but Clark-Lana's love slave. And I hate how he's all strong and such while with Lex, Jonathan, Martha, Chloe, MM, Kara, Oliver, Bart and so on-- almost everyone else (except Lois because they are usually bickering) but soo soo frail-sounding and pitifu-sounding while with Lana. It's a pity because I think the Lana character has/had soo much more potential. I've said before you don't have to be on the good-side to be liked/loved as a character.

cecil44 · 01-14-2008, 01:55 PM

Lana can be as evil as darkness and if this was acknowledged onscreen I would love her just as much as i love Chloe. On the other hand Lana can be as sweet as honey and as long as this is how she's portrayed onscreen I would love her as much as I love Chloe. So it's not a matter of whether she's evil/good, it's a matter of what we are SHOWN and what we are TOLD. Lana is terribly, horridly, badly written. I blame the writers because I can't understand the Lana character at all.

mxlpdilk · 01-15-2008, 10:38 AM

I'm still thinking about the truth gas. It's interesting that the power it gave Chloe to make people tell the truth worked automatically even when she did not know she had it. Maybe Lana has a meteor power that similarly works for her even without her knowing she has it or trying to use it. Perhaps instead of having the power to make people want to tell her the truth she has the power to make people want to make her safe and happy. That would explain why everyone is always trying to protect her and saying they want her to be happy. It's ironic though, because she has been as endangered and unhappy as anyone throughout the series. She did wear that kryptonite around her neck for a long time and IIRC she was across the street from the meteor strike that killed her parents so it only stands to reason she must have SOME power. What is it?

cecil44 · 01-15-2008, 12:03 PM

Mxlpdilk-- interesting theory! You know, that would make everything they've ever done with Lana make soo much more sense! Now that would be great--- and you know? It's so true, she wore that stupid meteor rock around her neck all the time in earlier seasons plus she's been near meteor rocks more than once-- remember the gas explosion that made her see through the attacker's eyes? If I were to vote, I'd vote that her power be to make everyone fall in love with her on top of what you said (want to protect her/keep her safe). Especially since the picture of her crying when her parents get flattened by the meteor shower makes her look soo unsafe, unhappy and alone.

alacia88 · 01-15-2008, 04:31 PM

So while doing my self appointed homework assignment..... I came across an interesting occurrence. While I like the theory of Lana having a super power which affects everybody else's will - making people love and want to protect her (even though Clark is almost always immune to those kinds of things & he's the one who's more devoted to Lana & her happiness than anybody else), I realized that there have been several times where Lana alludes to herself being a different person than what people see. In season 2, after the whole Emily Dinsmore incident (Lana's childhood best friend who tried to drown her) Lana comes to see Clark and says that she feels like Clark has created this "perfect picture" of who she is and she's afraid that he'll finally see one day that she's not as strong or as good as he thinks she is. Again, this is only the second season -- before Clark & Lana hook up, or anything with Lex or even Jason. Also in Wrath, Lana says he only see's the side of her that he's created

alacia88 · 01-15-2008, 04:32 PM

- that perfect Lana that he has in his mind. So my theory is that this whole time we've only seen the side of Lana that Clark has seen. That may "explain" her inconsistency and - with Clark being so head over heels he would look past that. It's a weak theory, I admit. Especially since we saw parts of her other relationships, which Clark didn't see. But I'm still trying to grasp at any straw I can to give her character the benefit of the doubt. Maybe not so much her character, but the writers. I'm hoping her inconsistency is intentional instead of a let-down.

cecil44 · 01-15-2008, 10:40 PM

I'm definitely on board for any theories that would explain her inconsistency-- but the problem with your theory Alacia88 is that we would have to have a similar theory for every other character in Smallville in relating with Lana-- for instance: Martha-- we would need an explanation for Martha worshipping Lana, no? Then there is Chloe, the sorority girls, Tina, Emily, Lex, Johnathan, Lois and even Kara. The thing is, if it was just Clark that treated Lana like that, then your theory would fit perfectly. But everyone (including Lionel, Fine, Zod, Bizarro (apparently), Oliver and so on...) all fall instantly for Lana (I don't mean romatically fall for her). The only person who seemed to see Lana for who she is was Pete-- and well, we know what happened to Pete. Even Jimmy in his dreams ("Noir") wants to save Lana-- he says something like "those eyes would make any man want to be her hero".

cecil44 · 01-15-2008, 10:41 PM

That is why I like the meteor freak theory better--- and would also add that if this happened to be the case, that her power were in the eyes or her shinny shinny hair? heheee Crazy I know. But her eyes have been mentioned quite a number of times by different characters and they all instantly think she's this wonderful wonderful perfect person (Kara tells Clark that maybe there is some hope for him yet if he's with Lana, yet dislikes meeting Chloe a whole lot calling her a mare primitive human or something of the sort-- and Clark defend's Chloe yeah!). Lois likes Lana immediately in "Crusade" (or is it "Gone"?) when they meet. Oliver tells Lex he feels sad that anice girl like that (Lana) ended up with Lex (Oliver doesn't even know Lana except meeting her once, what makes him think she's a nice girl?), Fine (who doesn't care about primitive human race) talks about how nice or something of the sort Lana is and saves Lana from paranoid Clark, and so on and so on..

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01-14-2008, 01:51 PM	#1921
cecil44 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 788	And that's my problem with Lana--- I don't hate her for being a selfish, manipulative, fickle character. In fact, I think such traits make her that much more interesting. My problem (and why I hate Lana) is because there are traits that are not acknowledged onscreen by the other characters. IF they acknowledged it, and if Lana acted like that and knew she was like that and either embraced it or paid for it and got redeemed, then i wouldn't have a problem. Instead we have idiotic writers who write Lana one way and then have the other characters react to her in a different way. If they want Lana to remain the pure, sweet, kind, girl-next-door fairly princess that she was at the beginning why not write her exactly like that?? Why make her dark? why taint her image by writing her in the Lexana thing?

01-14-2008, 01:52 PM	#1922
cecil44 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 788	Then the writers realize "oops we messed up" and to "correct" the mess they write in the stupid Fake!baby plot which made absolutely no sense and to top it off they made Lionel evil for just that day to "force" Lana to marry Lex (apparently all of sudden Lana didn't love Lex anymore) and "trap" her in a loveless marriage hence canonizing Lana and making her into a matyr again. Why Write Lana the way they did in "Wrath" and then brush it aside in "Blue" as if it was nothing? Why write Lana as a thief? attempted murderer? liar? Stalker? and so on? My point here is that I hate Lana because this character makes absolutely no sense. She's inconsistently written, incoherent and most of the time just plain annoying because I'm always left with "WTF" expression. A character can either be sweet, loving, caring, kind, pure and all that, or a villainess, evil, or dark. But you can't be both. Lana is both. She's portrayed one way, then the characters see her another way

01-14-2008, 01:54 PM	#1923
cecil44 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 788	It makes all the other characters seem and look bad. I hated Chloe/Lana scenes because it was always about Lana (secrets and lies, trust issues etc), never about their friendship. I hated Lex/Lana scenes because Lex no longer had balls to be the villain he's suppossed to become. I hated Jason/Lana because Jason's character had to be assassinated to make Lana the matyr, I hate, hate, hate Clark/Lana scenes because Clark is no longer the hero of the story-- he is a rolled-up-puppy worshipping a life doll. He's no longer Clark-future superman, but Clark-Lana's love slave. And I hate how he's all strong and such while with Lex, Jonathan, Martha, Chloe, MM, Kara, Oliver, Bart and so on-- almost everyone else (except Lois because they are usually bickering) but soo soo frail-sounding and pitifu-sounding while with Lana. It's a pity because I think the Lana character has/had soo much more potential. I've said before you don't have to be on the good-side to be liked/loved as a character.

01-14-2008, 01:55 PM	#1924
cecil44 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 788	Lana can be as evil as darkness and if this was acknowledged onscreen I would love her just as much as i love Chloe. On the other hand Lana can be as sweet as honey and as long as this is how she's portrayed onscreen I would love her as much as I love Chloe. So it's not a matter of whether she's evil/good, it's a matter of what we are SHOWN and what we are TOLD. Lana is terribly, horridly, badly written. I blame the writers because I can't understand the Lana character at all.

01-15-2008, 10:38 AM	#1925
mxlpdilk Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 197	I'm still thinking about the truth gas. It's interesting that the power it gave Chloe to make people tell the truth worked automatically even when she did not know she had it. Maybe Lana has a meteor power that similarly works for her even without her knowing she has it or trying to use it. Perhaps instead of having the power to make people want to tell her the truth she has the power to make people want to make her safe and happy. That would explain why everyone is always trying to protect her and saying they want her to be happy. It's ironic though, because she has been as endangered and unhappy as anyone throughout the series. She did wear that kryptonite around her neck for a long time and IIRC she was across the street from the meteor strike that killed her parents so it only stands to reason she must have SOME power. What is it?

01-15-2008, 12:03 PM	#1926
cecil44 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 788	Mxlpdilk-- interesting theory! You know, that would make everything they've ever done with Lana make soo much more sense! Now that would be great--- and you know? It's so true, she wore that stupid meteor rock around her neck all the time in earlier seasons plus she's been near meteor rocks more than once-- remember the gas explosion that made her see through the attacker's eyes? If I were to vote, I'd vote that her power be to make everyone fall in love with her on top of what you said (want to protect her/keep her safe). Especially since the picture of her crying when her parents get flattened by the meteor shower makes her look soo unsafe, unhappy and alone.

01-15-2008, 04:31 PM	#1927
alacia88 Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 153	So while doing my self appointed homework assignment..... I came across an interesting occurrence. While I like the theory of Lana having a super power which affects everybody else's will - making people love and want to protect her (even though Clark is almost always immune to those kinds of things & he's the one who's more devoted to Lana & her happiness than anybody else), I realized that there have been several times where Lana alludes to herself being a different person than what people see. In season 2, after the whole Emily Dinsmore incident (Lana's childhood best friend who tried to drown her) Lana comes to see Clark and says that she feels like Clark has created this "perfect picture" of who she is and she's afraid that he'll finally see one day that she's not as strong or as good as he thinks she is. Again, this is only the second season -- before Clark & Lana hook up, or anything with Lex or even Jason. Also in Wrath, Lana says he only see's the side of her that he's created

01-15-2008, 04:32 PM	#1928
alacia88 Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 153	- that perfect Lana that he has in his mind. So my theory is that this whole time we've only seen the side of Lana that Clark has seen. That may "explain" her inconsistency and - with Clark being so head over heels he would look past that. It's a weak theory, I admit. Especially since we saw parts of her other relationships, which Clark didn't see. But I'm still trying to grasp at any straw I can to give her character the benefit of the doubt. Maybe not so much her character, but the writers. I'm hoping her inconsistency is intentional instead of a let-down.

01-15-2008, 10:40 PM	#1929
cecil44 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 788	I'm definitely on board for any theories that would explain her inconsistency-- but the problem with your theory Alacia88 is that we would have to have a similar theory for every other character in Smallville in relating with Lana-- for instance: Martha-- we would need an explanation for Martha worshipping Lana, no? Then there is Chloe, the sorority girls, Tina, Emily, Lex, Johnathan, Lois and even Kara. The thing is, if it was just Clark that treated Lana like that, then your theory would fit perfectly. But everyone (including Lionel, Fine, Zod, Bizarro (apparently), Oliver and so on...) all fall instantly for Lana (I don't mean romatically fall for her). The only person who seemed to see Lana for who she is was Pete-- and well, we know what happened to Pete. Even Jimmy in his dreams ("Noir") wants to save Lana-- he says something like "those eyes would make any man want to be her hero".

01-15-2008, 10:41 PM	#1930
cecil44 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 788	That is why I like the meteor freak theory better--- and would also add that if this happened to be the case, that her power were in the eyes or her shinny shinny hair? heheee Crazy I know. But her eyes have been mentioned quite a number of times by different characters and they all instantly think she's this wonderful wonderful perfect person (Kara tells Clark that maybe there is some hope for him yet if he's with Lana, yet dislikes meeting Chloe a whole lot calling her a mare primitive human or something of the sort-- and Clark defend's Chloe yeah!). Lois likes Lana immediately in "Crusade" (or is it "Gone"?) when they meet. Oliver tells Lex he feels sad that anice girl like that (Lana) ended up with Lex (Oliver doesn't even know Lana except meeting her once, what makes him think she's a nice girl?), Fine (who doesn't care about primitive human race) talks about how nice or something of the sort Lana is and saves Lana from paranoid Clark, and so on and so on..