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mxlpdilk · 01-13-2008, 05:48 AM

Alacia, very good points and I'm looking forward to reading your homework assignment when you turn it in

. I just want to add a couple of thoughts on "Truth". It strikes me that "truth gas" gave Chloe a power that, unlike hypnosis or possession, did not affect her will. When she used it in an attempt to pry Clark's secret out of him it was apparently an early example of "grayness" or selfishness on the part of a "good" character . In retrospect I'm surprised I didn't recognize it as such at the time but I probably didn't expect as much from her as I did from Clark and Lana. I'm also just now becoming clear about a distinction that seems to me very important, between powers that affect the will and those that don't (and how that relates to one of Smallville's themes, destiny vs. free choice).

slayfan · 01-13-2008, 09:11 AM

To me these points just show us how consistant the writers have kept Chloe's character. Her need for the truth was insatiable, even when it came to her best friend. She could not turn a blind eye to all the things that didn't add up and her need for the truth sometimes drove her too far, which was a struggle she faced. The need for truth vs respecting people's privacy. And ultimately it wasn't her prying that gave her the answers but Alicia, and then Clark himself. I don't think Clark would have filled in the blanks if he didn't trust her and know that she wouldn't betray him. As we saw he was right, once she did know the truth she did everything possible to help protect that secret and to protect Clark. So I guess my point is that I don't see this as selfishness but as part of her personality, her drive, and her ambition. Plus if your best friend had this huge secret that kept comming up wouldn't you be curious to know what it was? But then I've never said Lana was selfish eit

slayfan · 01-13-2008, 09:13 AM

either, just that she was needy and dependant, IMO.

slayfan · 01-13-2008, 09:14 AM

Oh, and I forgot Lana is totally inconsistant. But again that's my opinion.

lanasdagirl · 01-13-2008, 03:05 PM

you people clearly have nothing interesting going on in your lives. I too could write these novels you've been writing here to say why I don't like the chloe character. she's a liar and a hypocrite who in the first few seasons would sell her own mother for a story for her school newspaper. She is also the most boring character on the show. However, frankly, I would rather do other things than to spend my time !@#!@ing about the old bore. furthermore, we are not exactly analyzing shakespeare. Out of jealousy, you chloe fans take out your hatred on the lana character b/c she's clark's love interest. you so badly long for your fave female characters (chloe or lois) to be coupled with clark. To the chloe fans: that won't happen either in smallville or the comic books.

lanasdagirl · 01-13-2008, 03:13 PM

In the comic books, they'll be making her a kid while clark and the rest of the gang are adults. So she'll never be clark's love interest - well, not unless the writers believe in pedophilia. i've noticed too that you've taken a dislike to kara because she's friends with lana and not chloe. so sad. What's even sadder is that you can't seem to differentiate between the television character and the actress who plays her, and so you hate Kristin as well. This is not only sad but disturbing. The actress has nothing to do with her character. Lana is the writers' creation. Not to mention, lana is actually a fairly good girl, but the JEALOUS chloe fans.... It's so unbelievably pathetic.

cecil44 · 01-13-2008, 05:29 PM

On "TRUTH"-- First, no Chloe was not herself. It did affect her will. However, it also gave her something every journalist would die for-- Power to get the TRUTH. Chloe has been all about Truth and Justice since day 1, ever since the "Pilot". Her curiousity often got the better of her, so I wouldn't call what she did "selfish". How is it selfish to try and get the truth? That would not have helped her in any way, except help curb her curiousity in what her best friend has been hiding all along. I have to add that the same has happened to all of them-- Lana has investigated Clark for a long time, even as late as season six and even going as far as stalking him and taking pictures of him in the barn and snooping in his room to finally locking Chloe in a freezing wine celler.

cecil44 · 01-13-2008, 05:30 PM

Lex has also investigated Clark, so has countless other people, and I have never said that Lana was selfish for investigating Clark--- Just annoying with her "secrets and lies" speech to every boy she's ever dated. Back to Chloe and "TRUTH", she was affected by something that would have ended killing her, I don't see that as free will, especially since at the end of it, she actually apologized for it, learnt something from it. Same reason why I don't hold Lana accountable for flirting with Lex in "Nicodemus" when she was affected by the Nicodemus flower which also did not affect her will, just brought out her inner desires. The truth serum did the same for Chloe-- her desire is to search for the truth, and now she could get the truth without hacking and breaking into things. I agree the power corrupted her, and we all know that every one in smallville (except Clark) has been corrupted by power---

cecil44 · 01-13-2008, 05:31 PM

Lana in "Wrath", in "Spell" and in so many other episodes where she's affected by something. "Chloe" and "Pete" in "RUSH" (They did not have power, but they were again affected by something), and so on.... Basically for me what I got from that episode was that Chloe is all about truth, even the episode itself was called "TRUTH" and don't you find it wierd that it's Chloe, not Lana, not Lex (who had better access) and not Lionel who the episode revolved around? Why write Chloe in to get the truth serum when you could have used the main characters (by then Chloe was not one of the big four, she was far far down in teh credits)...

cecil44 · 01-13-2008, 05:31 PM

)... Basically the bigger theme in any episode is to show the character growing, or to assert a character's traits. So for Truth I got this: Chloe is very curious (something we already knew), Chloe is very honest (she did not have to tell Clark that she was on her way to ask Clark's parents questions, but she confessed to him and even when Clark told her that she was under the influence which was true, she still apologized for it), Chloe would make a great journalist (She got Lionel's confession and managed to save it even after Lionel tried to hack into her system and erase the voicemail), Chloe learns from her mistakes (she did not blame the truth serum for her mistakes, she did not blame the truth serum for anything, she accepted responsibility for what she had tried to do and apologized for it). Now in contrast to that we have "Wrath"--- Lana got powers, Lana abused the powers (just like Chloe did in "Truth"), BUT look at how different the endings of the two episodes are:

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01-13-2008, 05:48 AM	#1891
mxlpdilk Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 197	Alacia, very good points and I'm looking forward to reading your homework assignment when you turn it in . I just want to add a couple of thoughts on "Truth". It strikes me that "truth gas" gave Chloe a power that, unlike hypnosis or possession, did not affect her will. When she used it in an attempt to pry Clark's secret out of him it was apparently an early example of "grayness" or selfishness on the part of a "good" character . In retrospect I'm surprised I didn't recognize it as such at the time but I probably didn't expect as much from her as I did from Clark and Lana. I'm also just now becoming clear about a distinction that seems to me very important, between powers that affect the will and those that don't (and how that relates to one of Smallville's themes, destiny vs. free choice).

01-13-2008, 09:11 AM	#1892
slayfan Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 199	To me these points just show us how consistant the writers have kept Chloe's character. Her need for the truth was insatiable, even when it came to her best friend. She could not turn a blind eye to all the things that didn't add up and her need for the truth sometimes drove her too far, which was a struggle she faced. The need for truth vs respecting people's privacy. And ultimately it wasn't her prying that gave her the answers but Alicia, and then Clark himself. I don't think Clark would have filled in the blanks if he didn't trust her and know that she wouldn't betray him. As we saw he was right, once she did know the truth she did everything possible to help protect that secret and to protect Clark. So I guess my point is that I don't see this as selfishness but as part of her personality, her drive, and her ambition. Plus if your best friend had this huge secret that kept comming up wouldn't you be curious to know what it was? But then I've never said Lana was selfish eit

01-13-2008, 09:13 AM	#1893
slayfan Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 199	either, just that she was needy and dependant, IMO.

01-13-2008, 09:14 AM	#1894
slayfan Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 199	Oh, and I forgot Lana is totally inconsistant. But again that's my opinion.

01-13-2008, 03:05 PM	#1895
lanasdagirl Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 276	you people clearly have nothing interesting going on in your lives. I too could write these novels you've been writing here to say why I don't like the chloe character. she's a liar and a hypocrite who in the first few seasons would sell her own mother for a story for her school newspaper. She is also the most boring character on the show. However, frankly, I would rather do other things than to spend my time !@#!@ing about the old bore. furthermore, we are not exactly analyzing shakespeare. Out of jealousy, you chloe fans take out your hatred on the lana character b/c she's clark's love interest. you so badly long for your fave female characters (chloe or lois) to be coupled with clark. To the chloe fans: that won't happen either in smallville or the comic books.

01-13-2008, 03:13 PM	#1896
lanasdagirl Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 276	In the comic books, they'll be making her a kid while clark and the rest of the gang are adults. So she'll never be clark's love interest - well, not unless the writers believe in pedophilia. i've noticed too that you've taken a dislike to kara because she's friends with lana and not chloe. so sad. What's even sadder is that you can't seem to differentiate between the television character and the actress who plays her, and so you hate Kristin as well. This is not only sad but disturbing. The actress has nothing to do with her character. Lana is the writers' creation. Not to mention, lana is actually a fairly good girl, but the JEALOUS chloe fans.... It's so unbelievably pathetic.

01-13-2008, 05:29 PM	#1897
cecil44 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 788	On "TRUTH"-- First, no Chloe was not herself. It did affect her will. However, it also gave her something every journalist would die for-- Power to get the TRUTH. Chloe has been all about Truth and Justice since day 1, ever since the "Pilot". Her curiousity often got the better of her, so I wouldn't call what she did "selfish". How is it selfish to try and get the truth? That would not have helped her in any way, except help curb her curiousity in what her best friend has been hiding all along. I have to add that the same has happened to all of them-- Lana has investigated Clark for a long time, even as late as season six and even going as far as stalking him and taking pictures of him in the barn and snooping in his room to finally locking Chloe in a freezing wine celler.

01-13-2008, 05:30 PM	#1898
cecil44 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 788	Lex has also investigated Clark, so has countless other people, and I have never said that Lana was selfish for investigating Clark--- Just annoying with her "secrets and lies" speech to every boy she's ever dated. Back to Chloe and "TRUTH", she was affected by something that would have ended killing her, I don't see that as free will, especially since at the end of it, she actually apologized for it, learnt something from it. Same reason why I don't hold Lana accountable for flirting with Lex in "Nicodemus" when she was affected by the Nicodemus flower which also did not affect her will, just brought out her inner desires. The truth serum did the same for Chloe-- her desire is to search for the truth, and now she could get the truth without hacking and breaking into things. I agree the power corrupted her, and we all know that every one in smallville (except Clark) has been corrupted by power---

01-13-2008, 05:31 PM	#1899
cecil44 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 788	Lana in "Wrath", in "Spell" and in so many other episodes where she's affected by something. "Chloe" and "Pete" in "RUSH" (They did not have power, but they were again affected by something), and so on.... Basically for me what I got from that episode was that Chloe is all about truth, even the episode itself was called "TRUTH" and don't you find it wierd that it's Chloe, not Lana, not Lex (who had better access) and not Lionel who the episode revolved around? Why write Chloe in to get the truth serum when you could have used the main characters (by then Chloe was not one of the big four, she was far far down in teh credits)...

01-13-2008, 05:31 PM	#1900
cecil44 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 788	)... Basically the bigger theme in any episode is to show the character growing, or to assert a character's traits. So for Truth I got this: Chloe is very curious (something we already knew), Chloe is very honest (she did not have to tell Clark that she was on her way to ask Clark's parents questions, but she confessed to him and even when Clark told her that she was under the influence which was true, she still apologized for it), Chloe would make a great journalist (She got Lionel's confession and managed to save it even after Lionel tried to hack into her system and erase the voicemail), Chloe learns from her mistakes (she did not blame the truth serum for her mistakes, she did not blame the truth serum for anything, she accepted responsibility for what she had tried to do and apologized for it). Now in contrast to that we have "Wrath"--- Lana got powers, Lana abused the powers (just like Chloe did in "Truth"), BUT look at how different the endings of the two episodes are: