so disappointed at the finale

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I wasn't really upset Mike died. I just wanted a good ending to the story...

However in my opinion the ending wasn't that good. They basically just jammed everyone from past seasons in they could without really using any of them that well.

I mean...you bring kellman back and he shows Michael to a diplomat that can help? Really thats the best you can do?

[Miladinka]

Originally Posted by candyrose

And it isn't like they had been together for very long and really knew each other. We didn't really see much of them together and bonding. Tension, stress, strain, conflict, lack of trust, and emotional distance was characteristic of their relationship. They were never a completely happy couple, sharing all those tender moments and become closer to each other. We never saw this. I'm sure people wished it had happened, but most of their ideas of MiSa come from their imaginations, not from what was actually portrayed on the TV screen. How many times did one of them try to get close to the other--reach out for a hug, bend over for a kiss, or say I love you--only to have the other person ignore them? It's very likely that if Sara had not been pregnant and Michael had not died, they would have never stayed together. They may have tried to make it work, tried to be together, but I'm not convinced their relationship would have lasted because they never had much on one to begin with. Their entire relationship revolved around one trying to save the life of the other--period. Now, don't get me wrong, it would have been sweet if they had had a real relationship and had known each other. And I certainly believe that both characters deserved to find love and peace, but I'm only going by what was shown, here.

I can't agree with you. You want to say that their love isn't strong enough? For all of that writers are guilty. They never gave us a real love moments (like a kissing, holding hands, saying: I love you" etc), but although we saw how is their love strong. It was a lot of situations when we could see that. For example, when Sara KILLED two people to defend him. Would you do that for someone you DON'T love? And there a lot of situations that describes how is her love strong. She can always run away, but she didn't. And Michael also had a similar situations. In Season 2 he fought with his brother (!) because Lincoln said something about Sara. And in that scene we saw how much he loves her. In Season 4 he said to her if she wants they will stop all that thing with Scylla. These are scenes that I could remember at this moment. But there's a lot of scenes like this! So, please, don't say that their love isn't so strong!

[candyrose]

I can't agree with you. You want to say that their love isn't strong enough? For all of that writers are guilty. They never gave us a real love moments (like a kissing, holding hands, saying: I love you" etc), but although we saw how is their love strong.

I completely agree with you. Their relationship was the way it was because that's how the writers chose to portray their relationship. If convincing fans that these two were more or less soul mates was in fact a primary goal, then I think they should have shown more kissing and hugging and tender moments. If that was the main point, then I completely agree with you that more could have...should have...been done. However, that is not how I take their relationship; I call it as I see it.

It was a lot of situations when we could see that. For example, when Sara KILLED two people to defend him. Would you do that for someone you DON'T love? And there a lot of situations that describes how is her love strong. She can always run away, but she didn't. And Michael also had a similar situations.

I'm sorry if you are offending, but I'm only sharing my opinions based on what I see. I'll try to explain a little.

The first thing that needs to be pointed out is that you don't have to take the fall for someone only if they are your soul mate and you are deeply, passionately in love with them. You don't have to be in a romantic relationship with someone or think you are going to be with that person for eternity in order to care about them and want them to be safe. Look at what Sucre did for Michael. They weren't soul mates and madly in love, obviously. He made a lot of sacrifices for Michael. There were many times when he just wanted to leave, but he stuck around to help Michael. So saying Michael helping Sara proves they were destined to get married, have children, and spent forever together is, quite frankly, not the entire case.

Furthermore, it should be noted how Michael felt about all he had done. Michael felt responsible for Sara and all the horrible things that had happened to her. He felt responsible for her overdose, for her father dying, for her losing her jod, and for her having her life threatened and being forced to run. It may have not been his fault. He may have done absolutely nothing wrong, but this still doesn't change the fact that he felt guilty and responsible. He felt like he brought her into this mess, which made he feel like it was his obligation, his duty, to protect her and keep her safe. If something had happened to her, something really horrible, Michael would have completely broken down...he would have lost it...he would have felt so guilty and he would have even perhaps questioned if it was all worth it.

Sara did stay, but I think Matt pointed out the best way anyone could: Michael and Sara are two people of conscience. They actually have a strong sense between what is right and what is wrong. They are passionate about their causes and hell bent on saving and helping others. Look at what Sara was doing prior to what happened. She became a doctor to help people. When she screwed up, she got a job at a prison, because she thought she could help them. It doesn't matter what kind of relationship Michael and Sara had. Michael and Sara could have been complete strangers or completely hated each other (I'm not saying they were; this is hypothetical) and she still probably would have stuck around because she wanted to bring down the company and wanted to stop the bad guys and save everyone, just like Michael did. And look at Michael. There were times when Linc just wanted to run and hide, start a new life somewhere and be done with all of it. Michael didn't want to run; he wanted to stop the company. He could have run away with Sara and tried to establish a life with her, but he didn't. He didn't run off with Sara; he stayed and chose to fight.

[DramaDiva]

I personally chalk the whole relationship up to the traumatic experiences they shared. It is not uncommon for two people that have been in life threatening situation together to form a sort of bond to one another. That by no means makes them soul mates , or even in love for that matter . They have just both bonded over extenuating circumstances that no one else could understand. So it's natural that they latch on to one another for support and understanding .

[candyrose]

^^^^Thank you very much! That's one of the points I've been trying to make. I think, especially in the beginning, he felt responsible for her. However,it cannot be denied that it would have been hard for them to get through it individually, instead of together. Neither of them had very many options, and they didn't know who to trust or who could help them. There were certain points in the storyline, for example, when the only person Sara could turn to was Michael because no one else could really protect her. Hell, no one else would have believed her about all the things that had been happening.

[Miladinka]

Originally Posted by candyrose

I'm sorry if you are offending, but I'm only sharing my opinions based on what I see. I'll try to explain a little.

The first thing that needs to be pointed out is that you don't have to take the fall for someone only if they are your soul mate and you are deeply, passionately in love with them. You don't have to be in a romantic relationship with someone or think you are going to be with that person for eternity in order to care about them and want them to be safe. Look at what Sucre did for Michael. They weren't soul mates and madly in love, obviously. He made a lot of sacrifices for Michael. There were many times when he just wanted to leave, but he stuck around to help Michael. So saying Michael helping Sara proves they were destined to get married, have children, and spent forever together is, quite frankly, not the entire case.

Furthermore, it should be noted how Michael felt about all he had done. Michael felt responsible for Sara and all the horrible things that had happened to her. He felt responsible for her overdose, for her father dying, for her losing her jod, and for her having her life threatened and being forced to run. It may have not been his fault. He may have done absolutely nothing wrong, but this still doesn't change the fact that he felt guilty and responsible. He felt like he brought her into this mess, which made he feel like it was his obligation, his duty, to protect her and keep her safe. If something had happened to her, something really horrible, Michael would have completely broken down...he would have lost it...he would have felt so guilty and he would have even perhaps questioned if it was all worth it.

Sara did stay, but I think Matt pointed out the best way anyone could: Michael and Sara are two people of conscience. They actually have a strong sense between what is right and what is wrong. They are passionate about their causes and hell bent on saving and helping others. Look at what Sara was doing prior to what happened. She became a doctor to help people. When she screwed up, she got a job at a prison, because she thought she could help them. It doesn't matter what kind of relationship Michael and Sara had. Michael and Sara could have been complete strangers or completely hated each other (I'm not saying they were; this is hypothetical) and she still probably would have stuck around because she wanted to bring down the company and wanted to stop the bad guys and save everyone, just like Michael did. And look at Michael. There were times when Linc just wanted to run and hide, start a new life somewhere and be done with all of it. Michael didn't want to run; he wanted to stop the company. He could have run away with Sara and tried to establish a life with her, but he didn't. He didn't run off with Sara; he stayed and chose to fight.

No, I'm not offending. I've just responded on your sentence where you were saying that their love isn't strong and in my opinion there's no people who would kill for someone if that one isn't their beloved. She didn't just poke man, she killed the man! And that's happened twice.
You can't compare Sucre with Sara. In Season 1 he wasn't helping Michael, he was, primarily, helping yourself. Remember, he was that who wanted to escape because of Mari Cruz (when he left Michal and wished to return). In Season 2 he was (again) helping yourself. In Season 3 he was helping Michael. But that wasn't so sacrificing. I think that every true friend would do that. And finally in Season 4 he wasn't helping Michael, he was was helping yourself, because he hoped that he will be a free man, after Scylla thing. And somewhere at the end (not exactly at the end) he was helping Michael, I think so. But, like I said, that was not a big sacrifice and every true friend would do that.
Unlike Sara; she wasn't be with Michael because she's a good person (or she has some benefit), she was with him because she loves him.
Yes, maybe at the very beginning he felt responsible for her, but after he fell in love with her.

We can talk about this 100 years, but that will not change anything. You have your opinion and I have mine, and that's it. I can't convince you (maybe I could if English were my mother language and I could better express myself, but like this it's a little harder) and you can't convince me.