Wentworth Miller

[KikiGotTheLastCookie]

Hi Candy and everyone else

I must admit I lost a little bit track with PB through the during the last season coz it was just not as good as the 1st one but I am shocked to hear Sara is back because I thought for change "wow! Now here is a show that dares to be different." It's great to have a main character suffer a little for a change - what is wrong with people who always want love stories! Is there nothing else to tell storywise? This is exactly why so many TV shows bore me- they are too sweet and everything always works out great. I loved it when in Lost at the very beginning they tortured Sawyer a little - he was an ass and deserved it back then. Life shouldn't awlays work out great for the good guys but it would be much more interessting to see how they then deal with it.

Apologies for my little rant - not a good start I suppose

[Calena]

Apologies for my little rant - not a good start I suppose

Quite the contrary! I don't think any one of helps, candy and smiley will disagree with what you said and I certainly don't.
In addition to being a jerk and so having earned what he got in a way (although he was just misunderstood, the poor guc , I love him so!) Sawyer managed to make sarcastic remarks while being tortured, always a great way for a character to earn points in my book! I love the "tied to a tree in the jungle of mystery, toruted by a genuine Iraqui and a damn brain surgeon" -line.

[KikiGotTheLastCookie]

"tied to a tree in the jungle of mystery, toruted by a genuine Iraqui and a damn brain surgeon" -line

i gotta watch the 1st season again, that was just cool! - maybe it's time we created our own show - we can create our own vritual writer outside the forum - there are lots of script competitions that are after new ideas, specially after the strike - and we can put all the damaged characters in there

[tatitati4]

[helps]

Yeah.... The MiSa moments will be just priceless.... I swear they better devote a whole sodden ep to them finally getting around to having that meal he promised her.... the poor girl has been waiting an age for it!!! Oh Lordy.... wouldn't that just be the end of us all on here if they did that!!!

omg,noooooo...stop smiley with this theories...dont you think they´re gonna do that,do you....i would die if they would lose our rare minutes of PB with some damn dinner which he promised her,before hundred years....i´m not sure if i would cry or laugh,if they really would go have some dinner,lol..

Make the most of the quietness now Girlies... as there will soon be back to 50 different post threads a day concerning these two..... We'll also be back to the tumbleweed comments.... the teenage hormonal comments... and those void of any sense of humours whatsoever... all our comments will go back to being taken like we are enemies of Mikey and Sara.... that we are actually part of the Company!!

lol,i think few of MiSa lovers already think that im not true fan of PB() and then that i´m MiSa hater.....and it´s really funny,because i really love Mikey(at least before) and i liked their relationship...but okie...let´s pretend that we´re part of the company..

Oh how I really really have missed PB !!!!

oooh same as me......and one SPN ep per week isn´t really enough...i was used to watch few episodes of SPN per day...

Hm. I remember we tried that already, but it somehow didn't work out. I think you suddenly discovered that you like helps or something.

whoa,whoa girlie....it wasn´t surely because of me...poor candy´s always loved you....i dont know how it happened,but i just found candy with broken heart and because i love her,i was willing to stand by her...:P

ok, I just arrived here - I need some help: Sara is coming back? I thought she was dead? What is going on here, what have I missed?

ah great that you´re on here,too........i have to laugh,because of your post..."i thought she was dead"....LOL...honey i thought that,too...but obviously she´s gonna be back in the show and like zombie,she´ll annoy us...

Well, we just have to wait and see how it turns out, but we are all worried that this move will ruin PB and therefore we will vent about this until proven wrong - by it turning out to be actually great for the story in a way we just can't imagine now, which I highly doubt will happen.

you explain it well...i feel that the same way..guess we all...so we have to wait...

Apologies for my little rant - not a good start I suppose

haha apologies....i actually agree with you about all sweetness in the shows and movies...i dont wanna see some crazy cruel cliffhangers but for example SPN goes well along....they concentrated little more on relationship of brothers etc...
in PB i really dont understand why they have to do all this sweet stuff about MiSa...i mean there was enough strong storyline even without MiSa,so why they wanna do that...then apparently we´re supposed to have just 4th season and they have many things to explain us,so if they would lose time with MiSa stuff,im scared that we wont get whole explanation about company,whistler etc...

maybe it's time we created our own show - we can create our own vritual writer outside the forum - there are lots of script competitions that are after new ideas, specially after the strike - and we can put all the damaged characters in there

wow cool idea....if we would create it for all shows which we all watch,i wanna bring back poor Boone in Lost.......and with Sara we should think out some really good way of death...you know she is little beast and she likes rising from the dead,lol

[candyrose]

No need to apologize....we all tend to rant a little in here every once and awhile....

Regarding the inclusion of all that mushy stuff: I can understand why some shows and some movies have romantic relationships at the center of the plot. My problem with the whole thing is how romance seems to be thrown into a plot when it really doesn't fit into the story all together. With PB, for example, the story moved on after Sara's "death." Things started to center more on Susan and Whistler, thereby bringing the story to a new level....beginning to provide insight into the things the brothers went through..answering questions...and so on. By going in this direction, the writers made it to where subsequent episodes could potentially add understanding to past events (the previous seasons) and give us (the audience) a clearer view of what the brothers are up against. Obviously, everything we want to know about Whistler, Susan, and the company is not going to be revealed only by them...in order for it to be this way..they would have to be extremely careless...which we know..or at least have been led to believe..they are not. The only way things will come full circle...the most effective way the story would progress is if Mikey searched for answers of his own and possibly went after the company. Up to this point, the 3rd season, the brothers spent most of their time running...trying to implement plans which would keep the company and other officials off their backs. We saw the effect this was having on Mikey...we saw that he wanted things to end...he thought they could just disappear and start new lives...if the story were to go this route, then it would end without us getting more answers. In order for the story to continue...something needed to happen which would provoke Mikey to action...and this just happened to be Sara's "death." Without her death, he may have thought he could get Whistler out...and then try to escape...and this was probably his original plan....to just make the deal and ensure that everyone....the people he is trying to protect....make it out safely. So, S3 ended with us thinking the story was going in a completely different direction. We thought Sara was dead...we saw Mikey driving off with the intent to get some answers...he wanted revenge...but he also knew he couldn't run anymore....not if he wanted to keep those he loved safe from harm....However, now that we have learned Sara is in fact alive, this takes credibility away from season three...it undoes everything that was established...the mood of the show....the motives of the characters....and subsequently their actions...

Anyway, the point is there is a large demand for romance. We saw this with the MiSa fans who were vehement in their insistence that she was not dead and that their love affair...if you even want to call it that...was the most important part of the show. We also saw the influence this has on the direction a show is taken....I mean, they did bring back Sara after they had clarified things for the fans by specifically saying she was dead.

IMO, When so many shows/films seem to always try to plop a romance into the storyline...when it may not even fit....it can affect the overall quality of the story that is being told and affect the characters' credibility. Furthermore, I believe it to be somewhat demeaning to women, because it relegates them to the small confines of gender. It's almost like they believe that a woman doesn't belong in a story unless she is either the object of some man's affection, in a relationship with a man, or is crushing for a man she wishes she could have but might not ever get....I am sorry, but a woman's entire existence does not center on romantic relationships...a woman's primary goal in life, again, is not to find a man....it makes us look like our only purpose in life is to be sexually receptive to men....like our lives our not complete unless we have one...This is the biggest BS ever, really....I think women are far more strong and complex to be so narrowly perceived. We don't need men to make out lives complete...we have minds of our own, so we don't need a man to make our decisions for us....

[helps]

I can understand why some shows and some movies have romantic relationships at the center of the plot.

i think that there is nothing bad with romance stuff,but even romance stuff should be make sagaciously...i mean even there is important to that wouldnt be too soapy...but yes,i don´t mind some romantic scenes if it made well...

So, S3 ended with us thinking the story was going in a completely different direction. We thought Sara was dead...we saw Mikey driving off with the intent to get some answers...he wanted revenge...but he also knew he couldn't run anymore....not if he wanted to keep those he loved safe from harm....However, now that we have learned Sara is in fact alive, this takes credibility away from season three...it undoes everything that was established...the mood of the show....the motives of the characters....and subsequently their actions..

great point...that´s what bother me the most of all...maybe i could accept this freaky return if it wouldnt mean that whole 3rd season was about nothing...there were some dialogs between characters which made me melt or sad about Mikey and so...i remember for example dialog between Susan and Linc and she told him something like that she is really sad about it,that she had to kill Sara,that he forced her to do something so horrible etc...and that she is just soldier as he is,in this was etc....and then i dont know are people of company really dunderheads that they didnt manage kill one doctor....and if they didnt kill her,then i would be soooooooo curious why they would want to let her alive....i have no idea...all in all,just how you said their destroyed whole storyline of s3 by this decision...

Furthermore, I believe it to be somewhat demeaning to women, because it relegates them to the small confines of gender. It's almost like they believe that a woman doesn't belong in a story unless she is either the object of some man's affection, in a relationship with a man, or is crushing for a man she wishes she could have but might not ever get....

that´s interesting...see,i didnt think about it this way,but you´re right...maybe there is few shows with women and girls,but still they all have certainly some man or boyfriend...Xena hadnt boyfriend,lol....you know maybe writers bet that women watch shows more than men and so they think that women wanna see men,too...not only other women...

[KikiGotTheLastCookie]

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that´s interesting...see,i didnt think about it this way,but you´re right...maybe there is few shows with women and girls,but still they all have certainly some man or boyfriend...Xena hadnt boyfriend,lol....you know maybe writers bet that women watch shows more than men and so they think that women wanna see men,too...not only other women..

this is a whole new topic of its own but i agree with you Candy - there seems to be no purpose for female characters other than drive the story towards those romantic moments, etc...I never watch films with female leads (eg superhero types) because to me they are the worst - they are not believable too, written by men for men it seems....i read an interesting article on this (http://nataliedamschroder.blogspot.c...ulousness.html) and apparently warner bros have made the desicion to not feature films with female leads anymore...you have some very good thoughts on this candy maybe you can help me out some time writing a good script with a "cool" female lead for a change

[candyrose]

that´s interesting...see,i didnt think about it this way,but you´re right...maybe there is few shows with women and girls,but still they all have certainly some man or boyfriend...Xena hadnt boyfriend,lol....you know maybe writers bet that women watch shows more than men and so they think that women wanna see men,too...not only other women...

Were you trying to say that these shows are geared toward women, which is why only a certain number of women get roles and when they do, they are usually predictable?

I don't know. I think it is rare to see a strong female lead...it's rare to see a female character who hasn't been objectified in some way. And, especially in the teen flicks, you see the female characters overly sexualized. I think it's misleading to portray women in this way because it creates the idea that this is the way women are...this is the way women are supposed to be. I can't see this appealing to women...this sort of depiction....when, IMO, it perpetuates those stupid standards/stereotypes I always rant about and the roles are mostly lacking in substance....which makes it hard or even impossible to take the characters seriously

[helps]

here candy you have link(and all of course) and you can check it out,but i dont really think that you can find there something interesting...at least for now...i´m still building and wanna change look a little and so...http://helpspb.livejournal.com/ i´m here just for moment,cause mum beat me that i have to go to bed,lol....i´ll respond tomorrow....have a nice day/night all...and you candy enjoy today´s episode of SPN....awww....how i envy you...