US Politics?

[Markus.Darkus]

Wow, Tailhook is the king of multi quotes and debating!........I've missed you loads mate!


Sorry.........back to the politics.

[clueless1der]

hey I can't get page 5 to load.

scratch that.

Yeah I was hoping that would happen. It's all part of my evil plan.

I hate politics I really do. The people who are running are not even close to being qualified to run our great country. I say elect a real mom who deals with kids. Now that is a person who can manage stress!

[tailhook]

Originally Posted by lost_grrl

Wow...that is exactly what I am talking about. Judging her fitness as a candidate based on her marital problems is wrong. Call me idealistic all you want, but that doesn't change the fact that it is wrong.

When they tie directly into her fitness to be able to run the country they sure do. You want someone that will stand behind their convictions and drive a hard bargain when you're dealing with hard-line countries like North Korea or Iran. If your version of 'standing up for yourself' is to let your husband walk all over and humiliate you... exactly what do you think North Korea and Iran will do to her? Hell.. when the running got hot leading up to New Hampshire what did she do? Thats right.. bust out the tears.

Originally Posted by lost_grrl

I admit I am not really well-versed on French politics, but I don't recall hearing calls from the French that Sarkozy be removed from office for dating a model. They are interested in the relationship for voyeuristic reasons, not political.

Your original statement did not stipulate there be calls. It was:

Originally Posted by lost_grrl

We are one of the only countries that cares about our elected officials' private life and all it does is push people to deceive or not run at all for fear of having their private life spread out for the world to see.

Originally Posted by lost_grrl

I hope you are right. I do think that McCain has the best chance of doing so. Because the Dems who hate Hillary could stay away from the polls entirely f the only other choice is Huckabee. They would be more inclined to get out and vote if McCain was the nom.

Its the fall thats gonna kill ya. Pretty much any of the big 3(Huckabee, Romney, McCain) face a very uphill fight in the general election. The democrats are really playing with house money as all of the fight is more than likely to be for formerly Republican ground of which a Republican has to pretty much run the table on to win.

Originally Posted by lost_grrl

Don't discount the Evangelicals though when it comes to Huckabee. They, as a group, DO stay home if they don't have a candidate that shares their values so they would be likely to sit it out if McCain gets the nom. But Huckabee is one of their own. If they decide to get behind a candidate, they can make a major impact on the results. Look at Ohio.

Well.. i'd just prefer that whoever wins the electoral vote also wins the popular. We came real close to having a repeat of that in 2004 with Bush absolutely pasting Kerry up one end and down the other in the popular vote.

Originally Posted by lost_grrl

Sounds so simple doesn't it??? Tell that to Al Gore and John Kerry!

Neither of which the democrats fully got behind and got out to vote for. Both were weak candidates. Al Gore got his nom due to being the sitting vice president and next in line. John Kerry got his because he was the best they could come up with. Neither hold a candle to the type of nomination an Obama/Clinton would produce. Its about as close to Reagan/Bush in '80 and '84 as you can get for galvanization of the electorate.

What you fail to realize is forget for a moment that Obama is black. He's got the personality and charisma of a Reagan, when he talks he can shake the rafters with his speeches, and he can run to the middle and WILL pull republican voters. If he gets the nomination.. its not even going to be close. He'll take everything but the kitchen sink.

Hillary can't do that.. she's a polarizing candidate(you either love her or hate her) and needs someone like an Obama to ride to the middle with. She makes a good vice president.. but in no way a good president.

Especially given her penchant to folding like a lawn chair when the going gets tough. You seem to forget she sang along with Mitch when it came to voting for the Iraq War. Where was her conviction then other than to let Bush walk all over her? She's got the consistency of a throw rug.

Originally Posted by lost_grrl

Absolutely not!!! Are you denying that there are people out there who hate women or hate African-Americans?

I'm not. I'm saying it won't be a factor and if you do.. those are your hangups. Are you saying that there aren't republicans out there that Obama appeals to regardless of his being black?

Originally Posted by lost_grrl

Or people who just simply don't think a woman should be in charge of the country? Or who think that a black man can't possibly speak for/represent them? That there are still people out there who think Obama is Muslim and won't vote for him due to that erroneous belief?

If there are people out there that think Obama is Muslim.. they are also the type without the will to actually vote.

-TH

[tailhook]

Originally Posted by Markus.Darkus

Wow, Tailhook is the king of multi quotes and debating!........I've missed you loads mate!

Hehe.. you too Mark.

-TH

It's good to see everyone coming back!

[Gartism]

The question on Obama/Clinton is - would they accept it (the VP spot)? Right now they're, almost, at each other's throats...and we're starting to get into 'negative campaign' territory

[lost_grrl]

Originally Posted by Gartism

I love this stuff...even when I'm wrong.

I'm sick of the ads. I'm also sick of candidates who are governor for 1 TERM (and no other political experience) and then think they can run for President...

Shouldn't there be rules in place for this stuff? Other than being a natural citizen, resident for 14 years and at least 35 years old?

IQ in the triple digits?

[lost_grrl]

Originally Posted by tailhook

When they tie directly into her fitness to be able to run the country they sure do. You want someone that will stand behind their convictions and drive a hard bargain when you're dealing with hard-line countries like North Korea or Iran. If your version of 'standing up for yourself' is to let your husband walk all over and humiliate you... exactly what do you think North Korea and Iran will do to her? Hell.. when the running got hot leading up to New Hampshire what did she do? Thats right.. bust out the tears.

I think we have to agree to disagree here, tail. Some people feel that it takes more conviction to try to fix a marriage rather than cutting and running at the first sign of a problem. The fact that it was played out in public does not change the core issue. She just happen to be unlucky enough for the whole world to be viewers of her marital problems.

And men and women show emotion differently. Crying isn't a sign of weakness, you Neanderthal! (kidding about the Neanderthal part of course!)

Originally Posted by tailhook

Your original statement did not stipulate there be calls.

Sorry I wasn't more specific. What I originally meant was that most countries don't let such things effect their politics. Hell, in France a man WITHOUT a mistress would probably be seen as not man enough to be Prez!

Originally Posted by tailhook

Its the fall thats gonna kill ya. Pretty much any of the big 3(Huckabee, Romney, McCain) face a very uphill fight in the general election. The democrats are really playing with house money as all of the fight is more than likely to be for formerly Republican ground of which a Republican has to pretty much run the table on to win.

Again, I hope you are right!

Originally Posted by tailhook

Neither of which the democrats fully got behind and got out to vote for. Both were weak candidates. Al Gore got his nom due to being the sitting vice president and next in line. John Kerry got his because he was the best they could come up with. Neither hold a candle to the type of nomination an Obama/Clinton would produce. Its about as close to Reagan/Bush in '80 and '84 as you can get for galvanization of the electorate.

What you fail to realize is forget for a moment that Obama is black. He's got the personality and charisma of a Reagan, when he talks he can shake the rafters with his speeches, and he can run to the middle and WILL pull republican voters. If he gets the nomination.. its not even going to be close. He'll take everything but the kitchen sink.[/quote]

You are right that they were weak candidates, but they still got out the base and won the blue states. I am not as sure as you are that a fight in the middle between Obama and McCain would go O's way. I hope you are right about this as well, just not as sure as you that the country's underlying race issue for rear its ugly head.

Originally Posted by tailhook

Hillary can't do that.. she's a polarizing candidate(you either love her or hate her) and needs someone like an Obama to ride to the middle with. She makes a good vice president.. but in no way a good president.

I agree

Originally Posted by tailhook

Especially given her penchant to folding like a lawn chair when the going gets tough. You seem to forget she sang along with Mitch when it came to voting for the Iraq War. Where was her conviction then other than to let Bush walk all over her? She's got the consistency of a throw rug.

Now, now...

Originally Posted by tailhook

I'm not. I'm saying it won't be a factor and if you do.. those are your hangups. Are you saying that there aren't republicans out there that Obama appeals to regardless of his being black?

I am not sure what you are getting at when you say "my hang ups". And I am not saying that there aren't Reps out there who he won't appeal to. Like I said earlier (and it is totally predictable that a liberal and a conservative would disagree here) I think there is more racism in the general population than you do. I am not talking about people who use the "N" word and are overtly racist, but people who are--maybe even subconsciously--unsure that a black man should be running the country. Again, I hope that I am wrong. I would think that it would be a huge moral victory for the U.S (which is still viewed as racist by most of the Western World) to elect Obama.

Originally Posted by tailhook

If there are people out there that think Obama is Muslim.. they are also the type without the will to actually vote.

I think--and I could be wrong because I have not seen the demographics of the polls--that there are some Evangelicals that believe he is somehow secretly Muslim, that the whole Christian thing is a ruse.

[Pitchy]

how about a freeze on any assets they own during their term... so no outside income. that way if we end up in another gulf war, the whole "it's a war for oil because Bush owns oil companies" thing cannot be used.

So no outside income.
A display of common sense.
Only allowed 2 vetoes a year.
Only one term.
A mid-term election after 2 years if president does not meet expectations.
Campaign promises must be met by 3rd year or VP takes over.
Environment must be top priority, not way on down the list.
At least 4 years of college.

ok, so I sort of went a little off the intention but I think these would be good things to be set in place