Marissa Venting thread

[meimei42]

This thread is dedicating to venting about the lame things Marissa Cooper has done through the series. This isn't for the Marissa fans, so be warned. If you have all kinds of Marissa love, start your own 'Marissa Love' thread for that stuff. You're not going to convince us that that she isn't lame.



Onto the venting:


Okay so a few months ago I was totally spoiled to the fact that Marissa Cooper dies at the end of season three. A car accident or something and Ryan is there. That is all I know. Stupid BuddyTV's triva game ruined it for me before I'd even started watching the show. Whatever.

Let me tell you, its a countdown to the season 3 finale for me.

I just feel the need to get this off my chest, but Marissa Cooper, in my opinion, is probably the most cliche and worst developed character on the whole show. She makes me want to drive a stake through my eye or something.

During season 1, I would think, yeah, she's a little cliche and whatever, but she'd not soooo bad. But then she turned into this massive alcoholic who was a major b*tch. Seriously. I don't blame Ryan for not wanting to have to deal with that sh*t the way he had to deal with it with his mom.

But okay, I could forgive her. Her family was going through some crap. Some real bad stuff. Her parents were divoricing. Her mom was awful. Her family was disgraced and falling apart. She had a lot going on.

But they they went to TJ and she did this total cliche, OMG my life is so horrible, I'm going to take a bunch of pills and drink alcohol and nearly die, but I sooo wasn't trying to kill myself.

I can safely say, I really didn't like the character after that. In fact, I was pretty much done with her.


Okay so things moved on, she got slightly less annoying for awhile, though she was still irksome with all her sneaky drinking and stuff, even after Ryan's passionate plea that he couldn't deal with this again. But kids drink, my best friend is an alcoholic who used to carry vodka to school everyday. I get it.

And then Oliver came along.

In what I consider the most absured and stupid storyline in the OC so far, Marissa befriends some guy she meets in her therapist's office waiting room and proceeds to blow her boyfriend off any chance she gets. Get pissed at her boyfriend for being kind of weirded about by this guy who she consistanly blows him off for. Then is a jerk to her boyfriend when he tries to talk to her about some of the crazy **** this guy is doing (and this was also a time in which I wanted to smack Seth around, but I have much love for The Seth, so I was able to forgive him). She then acts all kinds of suprise when Oliver turns out to be CRAZY and OBSESSIVE and pulls a GUN on her and she's all scared and gets Ryan to save her because Ryan is AWESOME like that.

And then she expects things just to go back to normal. I swear to you, if Ryan was just all peachy about things and let that go, I might have stopped wathcing the damn show.

So okay, things went on their merry way. Marissa continued to annoy me in the way she was an uber b*tch to her mother. In my opinion, Marissa stayed a very stationary character while her mother began to change into a much more layered and developed character. While you could see Julie striving to try and make things better, even if it wasn't always the best ways, Marissa was just a awful at all times. Even *Ryan* got along with Julie Cooper better than Marissa did. I mean, if he can get over what happened, you'd think Marissa could cool her jets.

See I have a big problem with people who treat their parents like crap. Yeah, my parents have made me mad. They've screwed up. They're completely and totally imperfect. But I love my parents. Even after we've fought or I haven't agree with them, if they're trying, I'm trying.

My sister though has this probably where she doesn't give two sh*ts about my mom. She thinks she's the worst thing that ever happened to her, hates her for making her go to church with them (my sister is two months shy of 22, lives at home, doesn't work, pay rent or do anything but sit on her a$$ all day, and my parents let her stay and the only stipulation is she has to come to church with them every sunday. Not a bad deal, whether you believe or not, if you ask me). Anyway, at any moment in time, Melissa believes my mom is responsible for all the awful things in her life. She refuses to even hug my mom unless she wants something from her. She likes to call me up to try and complain about how awful it is to (stay at home and not have to work or pay bills and have your way completely paid so you can play video games all day). I usually tell her she's whinning to the wrong person.

In short, my sister is a jerk who hates her own mother and that pisses me off--kind of like Marissa. Maybe Julie Cooper has done more to Marissa to piss her off than my mom has done to my sister, but in the end, Julie isn't the worst mother ever, she deserved the crap for awhile, but not as long as it lasted and it annoyed the hell out of me.

So after Marissa's serious b*tchiness, she dated that Alex chick for ahile, which was fine. And then went back to Ryan and was kind of annoying, but whatever, I got over it.

Then season three came along and it was like Oliver reduex. Only his name was Johnny, he was slightly less crazy and for the most part, Ryan liked the guy.

Marissa continually blew her boyfriend off to hang out with Johnny (okay, she needed to make friends, fine, I'll let it go). And then there was the whole, Johnny being completely and totally in love with Marissa and Marissa being like "no way." She only hangs out with him every moment she can, enjoys playing nursemaid and fauns all over him. Yeah of course that's crazy that he's in love with her.

And then the kicker for me. Her BEST FRIEND and her BOYFRIEND want to spend their last semester of high school with her and pull all kinds of crazy tricks to make it happen and her response is: "But what about Johnny?" I nearly punched her in the damn face. Seriously? You've known Johnny for all of half a semester. He got along just fine without you before, he'll survive with you gone. And honestly, just because you're going to a different school now, doesn't mean he has to be completely obliterated from your life.

Johnny goes all EMO about the thought of Marissa leaving, and I'm ready to punch him too. Ryan fights too damn hard for that girl if you ask me.

So after the whole school thing was finally setteled in favor of her BEST FRIEND and BOYFRIEND, I thought we were done with the Johnny thing.

But nooooo, not by a long shot. She gets all uber jealous about her (stupid) sister hanging all over him and throwing herself at him. Marissa can honestly barely hide the "he's mine, you can't touch him" vibe she has anytime she saw her sister with him. Its sort of pathetic to have to watch Ryan go through this all over again.

So Ryan pushes the issue and forces her to decide what she wants and she *thinks* she wants Ryan I guess and it litterally *kills* Johnny.

So after Johnny dies, Marissa freaking accuses Ryan of being glad and I swear to God if Ryan hadn't just walked out of there I might have stopped watching the show there too.

So now we have to deal with "Marissa in trouble" again, where she proceeds to get with the bad boy, drink alcohol, be a jerk to everyone under the sun (just after her and her mom started to get on better terms) and snort some coke or whatever that was. She blows off going to Berkley (yeah, like everyone can just get into that freaking college, I would have killed to be able to go there) and proceeds to do her stupid 'I don't care about life' thing with the dude who's name I can't be bothered to remember.

Right now, Marissa has come around a *little bit* to going to Berkely. Though she went to get with the dude because her mom forbade her from seeing him (bad move mom, of course she runs off to see him now that you forbade you. That's the Marissa way of doing things).

Serious. This girl makes the stupidest decisions.

You can say it's not her fault. You can talk about bad home life or whatever, but lots of people don't have the greatest home lives and they don't turn out like her (See: Ryan). If you ask me, she was a privalleged little brat, who maybe had some things to be upset about in her life, but totally went off the deep end. They should have just killed her off in TJ. Honestly, the things they did to her character were enough to make me want tp pull my hair our when watching the show. Even Heath, who would pop in randomly and only catch a few minutes of different episodes, couldn't freaking stand Ms. Cooper.

I'll be glad once she's gone for good.

[adiafaith]

Dammmmmmmmmmnnn...and I've been accused of writing essays on forums! LOL!

No, seriously, I'm so feeling you, mei, on most of the stuff you said. When that show was on, I b*tched about Marissa so much and everyone I knew that watched the show went on and on about how much they loved her. I couldn't understand it, personally, because she was the most annoying and frustrating character on the show. Caleb, IMO, was just a mean guy. Selfish. Julie Cooper...she started out as a b*tch who was all about the way she was perceived by others. She was pretty selfish too and did bad things but you really started to see that underneath the makeup and expensive clothes and attitude that Julie wasn't that bad a person after all. Plus, when she did crappy things she didn't try to play it off as if she was all innocent.

Marissa, on the other hand, ALWAYS tried to act as if she was the innocent victim. The issue with Marissa for me was that from the very beginning I wanted to like her. I mean, I truly truly wanted to like her because I knew that she was the girl Ryan loved. And I actually was able to stand her in the first few episodes. I got the whole being from a dysfunctional family bit and I felt for her. I even understood the drinking thing...in the beginning....and loved how Ryan found her all drunk and passed out and carried her to the pool house. I could even understand the whole being from "another life" in terms of the whole O.C rich way of life compared to Ryan's poor Chino background. But despite all that, Marissa just continuously did s**t to bug me and eventually I just stopped trying to like her.

For me, the whole Luke thing started it off. We all know Luke was a jerk in the beginning and it made me happy to see Marissa kinda taking a stand, letting Luke know she was gonna be friends with Ryan and that he needed to get over it. She got major cool points in my book for that. But how quickly she loses those points when Luke gets shot and she backs off from Ryan as if he's to blame for it. I didn't like how she questioned Ryan about his friendship with the shooter as if Ryan all of a sudden wasn't a good a person because he was acquaintances with someone who'd shoot Luke. Who is she to judge anyone based on who they hang with? If we were to go with her logic then that would make Marissa an ass because she was dating one for years!

And then the whole thing with Caleb's very young girlfriend...the model, Gabrielle. I actually liked her! She gave Ryan attention that he definitely deserved! Marissa was being an idiot, still not coming clean abut her feelings for Ryan and then shows up at the party with Luke. Ryan had every right to be upset and I was all for him getting some action from Gabrielle. But of course that bony b*tch Marissa barges into the pool house and interrupts them and then has the AUDACITY to be angry at Ryan. Um HELLO! You cannot have everything your way, Marissa. That's not how things go. Ryan has a life and feelings and you can't expect him to stick around twiddling his thumbs until you get your sh*t together! I actually loved it when she was arguing with him about that and he told her she should've knocked. Nice one, Ryan.

And then the Oliver thing happened...and let me just say: in all my years of watching TV, I'm not sure if I've ever hated a character as much as I hated Oliver. And when Marissa proceeded in spending all her freakin' time with Oliver to "help him" (when he had a psychiatrist who was paid to help him work his issues out, mind you) I flipped. I wanted to strangle Marissa for her behavior. Ryan is your boyfriend! Oliver is some nut you just met! Shouldn't the relationship with your boyfriend be more important than hanging with Mr. Looney Tunes?! Marissa was such a b*tch to Ryan during that whole Oliver thing....and, yeah, so was Seth. Difference is, Seth came off my sh*t list because he basically apologized to Ryan and told him he'd never doubt him again and that he'd always have his back. But Marissa. Puh-lease. She just said her pathetic sorry and tried to act like it never happened. She always did that...acted like "oh I was just trying to help, I didn't know it'd turn out like that." "Oh, I'm just trying to be his friend, I didn't know he'd fall in love with me." Yeah, Marissa. You're the helpless victim.

By the time Johnny rolled around I was through with Marissa. And the thing with Volchek was just another nail in the coffin. Marissa was full of bad decisions: the drinking, the hanging around with emotionally disturbed guys instead of her awesome boyfriend, the stealing, the acting out and defiance, the losing her virginity to Luke because she's pissed off at Ryan, the pills in TJ....really, the list goes on and on.

I personally liked Ryan with Theresa and I wish they hadn't written all that fiance and baby drama in there because she was really good for Ryan outside of that. She understood Ryan and could relate to him. Plus, she genuinely seemed to care about his happiness and feelings.
Marissa with Ryan was like seeing Ryan with poison. She was a drunk and a mess. Too much like Ryan's mother and, frankly, Ryan deserved better. He'd already been through hell and he didn;t need Marissa making it worse.

I was happy when Marissa died...even did a little dance too. Unfortunately, after she died the show kinda died too...which pisses me off even more.

[meimei42]

I forgot about the Luke getting shot thing and the model thing! He totally should have gotten with that girl IMO. He wasn't tied down to Marissa. Marissa was still confused between him and Luke. And yah, loosing it to Luke (who's character did a strange 180 on the show, but whatever) just kind of made me roll my eyes.

Oliver was a character I disliked for certain, but it was Marissa and the way she treated Ryan that pissed me off so much. Seth was just trying to look out for his friend I think. He should have trusted Ryan and he should have had his back, and I was mad at him for awhile too, but you're right, Seth apologized and supported Ryan from that point on. Marissa never changed. Its like she was sooooo innocent in the whole thing and had the whole 'yah, maybe I should've trusted you a little more, but can't you just take me back now?' Ryan should have never gotten back with her after that. That kind of trust issue is beyond major.

The thing with Oliver was like the most telling storyarch of Marissa's true character and if Ryan had been smart he would have just stayed away from her after that. Even Summer knew the two of them together were like poision. Marissa completely and totally dismissed him, his thoughts, and everything he tried to tell her in favor of some guy she'd known for a couple of weeks. His discomfort around this guy initially should have made her take a step back and look at the situation. And if he was jealous, maybe she should have asked herself why. Ryan doesn't *randomly* punch people. He punches people who deserve to be punched. So if he punched Oliver, its a safe bet to say he should have been punched. Why she couldn't see beyond this weird infatuation she had with him and taking care of him, I don't know.

Ryan needed someone who would be there for him, not someone who didn't trust him and heaped on him more problems than his already troubled life could deal with.

I like Ryan with Theresa too (the pregnancy thing was too bad, it was like the writers way of making Theresa a bad guy and getting to cut short any kind of normal relationship he might have. They painted what happened in this horrid light where everything about his life turned into a disaster all because of Theresa and I didn't like that. Granted if I had to move out of a sweet pool house like the Cohen's I'd be bummed too, but they made it so he wasn't even happy with her. They barley talked they barley *liked* each other and that really seemed to me a device just to get him back to the OC. If you can't figure out a way to arch a storyline without changing the characters, then don't even go there in the first place.)

And hell I liked Ryan with Sadie because at least she was slightly more normal. I was just glad to see him move on after Marissa accused him of being glad Johnny was gone.

Marissa has issues beyond what any normal human being should have.

Plus her voice is really nasally so everytime she'd say "but what about Johnny?" I'd get instantly angry.

[adiafaith]

Oh, girl, this is like picking at old wounds I thought had healed, talking about Marissa.

One of the things that pissed me off with Marissa with the whole Ryan/Gabrielle thing is how Marissa was quick to give Ryan attitude over it, especially considering that they weren't in a relationship and she was still stringing Luke along. Yet not once did Ryan treat her poorly and be all distant with her for being with Luke. He was hurt by seeing her with Luke, but he didn't get all snotty with her about it. He was still willing to go to her and talk to her but she did the whole "you're too late" b.s. that really enraged me.

And in terms of Luke...the only reason I was happy he did that 180 is because when Ryan was dealing Marissa and her Oliver mess, Luke was the ONLY person who was on Ryan's side. Go figure *shrugs*

One major issue for Ryan was trust. His mom had left him for alcohol and men, proving she couldn't be trusted. His brother gets him hooked into criminal stuff and then comes back to lie to him, showing he couldn't be trusted. Pretty much every person in Ryan's life had either used him or screwed him over in some way and he really struggled with trusting people (I could so relate, hell, I could write a series of books on my own trust issues). So you'd think that the least - the LEAST - Marissa could do is show shes a trustworthy person. But she couldn't even do that. Like seriously, time and time again she did things to make Ryan not trust her and then would have the gall to demand Ryan trust her! WTF. Why? Why should he trust you? You've only screwed him and his feelings over repeatedly. She had no regard for his feelings at all...like seriously, you'd think if her boyfriend was telling her he was uncomfortable with the amount of time she was spending with other guys she'd at least take a step back and consider his feelings. But nope, it was aways like "f**k you, Ryan, you need to just trust me." Yeah, ok, Marissa.

The other issue I had with Marissa was that her character never grew. Never matured. She continued to do the same b.s. over and over and make the same stupid decisions season after season. Everyone else around her grew: Summer changed, Seth changed, Ryan matured like in such an amazing way but Marissa stayed same old annoying, troubled, dysfunctional Marissa right until she died. Ryan didn't need that and it kinda irks me when I hear people say that Ryan and Marissa belonged together because I'm like Ryan BELONGED with someone who knew how to love and treat him. Marissa could barely love herself; she didn't know how to be in a real mature/loving relationship with Ryan.

One of the worst storylines was that Theresa/baby thing. I cringe every time I think about it 'cause the writers so did not have to go in that direction. But what's the additional slap in the face is that Theresa was kinda Ryan's old love...the girl from Chino, the girl from his past, the only girl who really and truly knew where he'd come from and what he was. And she also was a girl who could see all his potential through all the bad around him. I loved that and the writers sh*tted all over that by having Ryan be "forced" to go and be with her due to a baby. Seriously, when she came back in the later seasons, I so wanted Ryan to hook up with her but that baby story totally ruined any chances of that.

In terms of Ryan going back to Marissa time and time again...it's almost like a woman that keeps going back to her abusive husband. She knows she doesn't like being beat but he tells her he's sorry and she loves him so....maybe it'll work this time. Ryan kinda had that mentality with Marissa....he loved her and even though she hurt him before, maybe she won't do it again. It was the same as with his mother. She'd screwed him over time and time again but when she came to the Cohen's and claimed she'd changed, Ryan was like "maybe she'll be different this time." I would've really loved if the writers had noticed this and had Ryan just finally say to Marissa, "Look, I love you and may always love you, but you and me continuously fail to work so we need to just accept the fact that this isn't meant to be and move on." Man, would've loved it.

Thankfully Mischa Barton wanted out and they killed her character off. Fair trade, imo.

And yes, her voice made me wanna ram my fist down her throat.

[meimei42]

Originally Posted by adiafaith

Oh, girl, this is like picking at old wounds I thought had healed, talking about Marissa.

This is all so freaking fresh for me I can't stand it. I tried explaining this all to Heath and he just kind of blinked at me a couple of times and was like 'yeah she's annoying; lol

One of the things that pissed me off with Marissa with the whole Ryan/Gabrielle thing is how Marissa was quick to give Ryan attitude over it, especially considering that they weren't in a relationship and she was still stringing Luke along. Yet not once did Ryan treat her poorly and be all distant with her for being with Luke. He was hurt by seeing her with Luke, but he didn't get all snotty with her about it. He was still willing to go to her and talk to her but she did the whole "you're too late" b.s. that really enraged me.

Oh that made me so mad. Like she wasn't for all intents and purposes with Luke. Marissa has this problem where she finds men that need to be fixed or something. Ryan was like a broken toy to her and so when she saw him, she was really quick to drop him (yah Luke was a jerk, but we know there was *some* good in him). She saw this wounded kid or something and was real quick to just kind of blow off her boyfriend for him. That's pretty telling of her character through the rest of the series even though Ryan is that boyfriend for the most part after Luke is gone. (There is Alex for a little bit, and the pool boy LOL). But really, thats who she is. She sees a wounded guy and attaches herself to him as a "friend" and really, he's just a friend, except the guy totally falls for her and in most cases, she kind of falls back. Except Oliver turned out crazy and Johnny died before she could finally dump Ryan for him (because she OBVIOUSLY wasn't over whatever feelings she had for him).

And in terms of Luke...the only reason I was happy he did that 180 is because when Ryan was dealing Marissa and her Oliver mess, Luke was the ONLY person who was on Ryan's side. Go figure *shrugs*

I did like that Ryan had at least someone and I liked the Luke stood up to Marissa and the crappy way she was treating Ryan when no one else would.

One major issue for Ryan was trust. His mom had left him for alcohol and men, proving she couldn't be trusted. His brother gets him hooked into criminal stuff and then comes back to lie to him, showing he couldn't be trusted. Pretty much every person in Ryan's life had either used him or screwed him over in some way and he really struggled with trusting people (I could so relate, hell, I could write a series of books on my own trust issues). So you'd think that the least - the LEAST - Marissa could do is show shes a trustworthy person. But she couldn't even do that. Like seriously, time and time again she did things to make Ryan not trust her and then would have the gall to demand Ryan trust her! WTF. Why? Why should he trust you? You've only screwed him and his feelings over repeatedly. She had no regard for his feelings at all...like seriously, you'd think if her boyfriend was telling her he was uncomfortable with the amount of time she was spending with other guys she'd at least take a step back and consider his feelings. But nope, it was aways like "f**k you, Ryan, you need to just trust me." Yeah, ok, Marissa.

Oh I know! Seriously. He has been so burned by the people he loved and he was really just trying to heal and her comes Marissa, getting drunk every day, skipping school, being a jerk, not being there for him. She walks all over him because he does care about her and she's so self absorbed into her own issues, she can't think beyond that. She can't think what he actions might be doing to another person. She can't understand why Ryan would be uneasy about her drinking, or anything else. She only sees how things affect her and that's as far as it goes.

The other issue I had with Marissa was that her character never grew. Never matured. She continued to do the same b.s. over and over and make the same stupid decisions season after season. Everyone else around her grew: Summer changed, Seth changed, Ryan matured like in such an amazing way but Marissa stayed same old annoying, troubled, dysfunctional Marissa right until she died. Ryan didn't need that and it kinda irks me when I hear people say that Ryan and Marissa belonged together because I'm like Ryan BELONGED with someone who knew how to love and treat him. Marissa could barely love herself; she didn't know how to be in a real mature/loving relationship with Ryan.

You're totally right. Everyone had growth as a character. Hell, even Caleb and Julie Cooper evolved as characters, but Marissa stayed exactly the same. Got into the same situations, was just as selfish as always. Her whole woe is me, my life is horrible, I was over it back in TJ. People have hard lives. People go through tough things. That doesn't mean you turn totally into the self-centric person who hurts everyone around you.

One of the worst storylines was that Theresa/baby thing. I cringe every time I think about it 'cause the writers so did not have to go in that direction. But what's the additional slap in the face is that Theresa was kinda Ryan's old love...the girl from Chino, the girl from his past, the only girl who really and truly knew where he'd come from and what he was. And she also was a girl who could see all his potential through all the bad around him. I loved that and the writers sh*tted all over that by having Ryan be "forced" to go and be with her due to a baby. Seriously, when she came back in the later seasons, I so wanted Ryan to hook up with her but that baby story totally ruined any chances of that.

I haven't seen her come back yet, but I know she does (stupid trivia quiz). I hated how they made what could have been a nice romance into this forced thing where no one was happy and basically Ryan's life was ruined. Not that having a child that young is ever a good thing, but with the decision he made, he would had adapted. They could have still made the characters care about each other. But they made it seem like the worst thing that could ever happen and Ryan was so fast running out that door to get back to the Cohens. It was their way of writing Theresa off the show and getting Ryan back with Marissa which was so freaking annoying.

In terms of Ryan going back to Marissa time and time again...it's almost like a woman that keeps going back to her abusive husband. She knows she doesn't like being beat but he tells her he's sorry and she loves him so....maybe it'll work this time. Ryan kinda had that mentality with Marissa....he loved her and even though she hurt him before, maybe she won't do it again. It was the same as with his mother. She'd screwed him over time and time again but when she came to the Cohen's and claimed she'd changed, Ryan was like "maybe she'll be different this time." I would've really loved if the writers had noticed this and had Ryan just finally say to Marissa, "Look, I love you and may always love you, but you and me continuously fail to work so we need to just accept the fact that this isn't meant to be and move on." Man, would've loved it.

I would have loved that too. I guess sometimes you can't help the people you love and care about. One of my favorite things Ryan has done is when he told "the dude who's name I can't be bothered to remember" that he wasn't watching out for Marissa anymore and I was like THANK GOD! Seriously. He needed to back away from that poision. Marissa didn't want to listen to anyone, least of all the guy she just broke up with. I was glad he decided it wasn't up to him to save her anymore.

Thankfully Mischa Barton wanted out and they killed her character off. Fair trade, imo.

And yes, her voice made me wanna ram my fist down her throat.

Fine by me too. Its too bad the show went down after that.

And yeah, I read somewhere she was british born. Is her american accent fake or something? Maybe thats why its so annoying?

[adiafaith]

Yep, this is so looking like a throwback to the Concerned about Sara days. Oh, how I miss that thread and those times. Sorry, I digress.....

I kinda wrote a lot and now am feeling too lazy to go back and use the quote button but I responded in order so here goes....

LOL, guys are funny like that. Us girls....we can give you a play-by-play of all the reasons we don't like someone and analyze the hell out of that person.

Marissa definitely has some issues when it comes to the guys she picks. She loves the emotionally disturbed men that she can "fix". It's almost as if it makes her feel less f****d up. Problem is, Ryan didn't need her to fix him. Ryan was strong and capable enough of fixing himself. And once he started getting his own life together, Marissa didn't see him as a project anymore. He didn't need her so it was on to her next screw up: enter Johnny.

But what you said is so dead-on in terms of Marissa/Luke. She really showed her true self in the way she spent all her time with Ryan while she was still dating Luke and so, of course, when she found a new toy in Oliver and Johnny she ditched Ryan to be with them. I guess there was no reason to assume she'd be any different than she'd already revealed herself to be. Well...you woulda thought she'd behave differently because Ryan wasn't a jerk like Luke but instead a really great guy. But this just goes to show that no matter who the person is, Marissa will s**t all over them and only be concerned with her own feelings. I just don't get why they'd hook Ryan up with someone who'd behave like that.

And the Alex and pool boy relationships were truly pathetic. Alex was totally too vocal for Marissa and the pool boy hardly ever spoke. Funny though...when I think about it...both Alex and the pool boy (his name escapes me right now...oh wait...DJ) complained that Marissa spent too much time with another guy...Ryan. She did this s**t in every freakin' relationship. I'll give her one thing: she's consistent. Consistently a f**k up.

You know, when Luke stood up to Marissa, I kinda thought Marissa would realize that she was being an idiot. I figured, if her ex who at one point hated Ryan was now coming to her to defend Ryan that she'd see the error of her ways. But nope. Once again proving that Marissa's stupidity is for life.
But it was definitely good to see someone in Ryan's corner during that time...though I have to admit it was one of the rare moments in the span of that show where I didn't like the way they had Ryan behaving. I was not a fan of watching him sulk around the pool house all day over Marissa's stupid ass.


Ryan so needed a more stable and functional girlfriend to counterbalance all the hell he'd been through. He didn't need a drunk like his mom, a thief like his brother, and a liar like practically everyone he knew growing up. And I don't get why they always insisted he was "meant" to be with her when every girl Ryan dated other than Marissa was stable, functional, and caring of his feelings. WTF kinda sense does that make?

And she so walked all over him and his heart in her little ballet flats and it really used to make me wanna kick her in her kneecaps. Ryan adored her...he was always rescuing her, always looking out for her and trying to protect her yet she never ever looked out for him. She treated him badly, spoke to him with such a lack of respect, and then lied to him. She was also kinda condescending in the way she was with him and the way she spoke. Like when Ryan came back in season 2 and she'd been screwing around with pool boy DJ. She didn't tell Ryan about it and instead made it seem like everything was as it was before he left. But when he sees her with DJ and confronts her, she does that whole, I didn't lie" in this patronizing way. Ryan's not stupid; he can tell the difference between the truth and a lie and you not coming clean about being in a relationship with some other guy is called A LIE!! Whew...sorry, that was my rage blackout moment, lol.

Marissa just never got the fact that the world didn't revolve around her. And she could never truly understand Ryan and what he was about. Ryan came to the O.C. to start a new life and all Marissa was doing was just dragging all the problems he was trying to get away from back into his life.


And what irked me about her lack of growth was that no one ever challenged her on it. Summer was her best friend and never pulled her aside and said hey, Marissa, you really need to stop making these bad decisions. I would've loved to see someone confront her about it, but then again, she probably would've been to self-absorbed to even process someone else's opinion. And even I do the whole woe-is-me, pity-party thing at times but then I get up, acknowledge how I mucked things up and try to learn from my mistakes. It's called maturing and Marissa really needed to grow up, recognize the role she played in all of her situations and stop behaving like some damsel in distress.



Mmm...Theresa comes back in season 3...wait..where are you at in that season? She comes back briefly. I actually like the woman that plays Theresa...she's a really good actress.
This is where I do my b*tching about the way shows write out-of-character story lines. Ryan and Theresa were childhood friends and had loved each other for years. I just can't honestly believe that he'd be acting as if he were in hell being with her, even if a baby was involved. They had too much history and he cared too much about her to make her feel like she'd trapped him. I don't see him doing that but the writers just love to sh*t on back stories.

And much respect to Ryan for stepping back and letting Marissa just live her toxic life. He should've done that in the beginning...he would've been in a lot less trouble and pain throughout the series.

Mischa was born in London and moved to NYC (YAY!!! sorry, I digress again ) as a kid. I think her English accent is fake. She sounds more Valley girl, to me.

[meimei42]

I'm really busy at work right now so I dont have time to respond yet. I'll do it when I get off though. Probably put the OC on so when I'm typing I will have fresh material LOL.

Only four more episodes before she dies!!

[meimei42]

Okay so last night I finished Season 3 of the OC.

Marissa was...less annoying than she had been since Johnny died, but of course still kind of a moron.

I just loved the prom episode where she is *shocked* that the dude would cheat on her. Hmmm...I seem to remember you saying that if you wanted to be treated right, you wouldn't be with him. What the hell did she expect? Honestly? That he'd be her boyfriend and everything would just be peachy? She probably saw him as another one of her projects once she got out of her pity party but the dude wasn't looking to be a project.


Okay so to your post:

Originally Posted by adiafaith

Marissa definitely has some issues when it comes to the guys she picks. She loves the emotionally disturbed men that she can "fix". It's almost as if it makes her feel less f****d up. Problem is, Ryan didn't need her to fix him. Ryan was strong and capable enough of fixing himself. And once he started getting his own life together, Marissa didn't see him as a project anymore. He didn't need her so it was on to her next screw up: enter Johnny.

Yeah she has an issue with the whole project thing. You're right, Ryan never needed her to save him. He was a good person who just needed the right environment to get him on his feet. As soon as he wasn't this wounded bad boy anymore, she's all over Oliver or Johnny or the dude. Its kind of pathetic.

Originally Posted by adiafaith

But what you said is so dead-on in terms of Marissa/Luke. She really showed her true self in the way she spent all her time with Ryan while she was still dating Luke and so, of course, when she found a new toy in Oliver and Johnny she ditched Ryan to be with them. I guess there was no reason to assume she'd be any different than she'd already revealed herself to be. Well...you woulda thought she'd behave differently because Ryan wasn't a jerk like Luke but instead a really great guy. But this just goes to show that no matter who the person is, Marissa will s**t all over them and only be concerned with her own feelings. I just don't get why they'd hook Ryan up with someone who'd behave like that.

Her mistreatment of Luke, even if he was a jerk, was just foreshadowing of how the rest of the series would go. Its kind of like when you're with a man who has someone else. He's cheating on her. Now lets say yah, he'll leave her for you, why in your right mind would you assume he would be faithful to you now? Because he loved you? You think at one point the guy didn't love his wife/girlfriend? A person is who they are. If they're a cheater then they're a cheater. If they have this need to pull away from relationships as soon as they find a new puppy, they will always have this need. Ryan deserved so much better.

Originally Posted by adiafaith

And the Alex and pool boy relationships were truly pathetic. Alex was totally too vocal for Marissa and the pool boy hardly ever spoke. Funny though...when I think about it...both Alex and the pool boy (his name escapes me right now...oh wait...DJ) complained that Marissa spent too much time with another guy...Ryan. She did this s**t in every freakin' relationship. I'll give her one thing: she's consistent. Consistently a f**k up.

She really, really is. When she had Ryan all she could do was want to be around her pet projects. When she didn't have him, all she wanted was him. It was kind of messed up. She needed to grow up and move on. Stop pinning over someone who you were willing to drop like a hot potato because some CRAZY GUY thought you should.

Originally Posted by adiafaith

You know, when Luke stood up to Marissa, I kinda thought Marissa would realize that she was being an idiot. I figured, if her ex who at one point hated Ryan was now coming to her to defend Ryan that she'd see the error of her ways. But nope. Once again proving that Marissa's stupidity is for life.
But it was definitely good to see someone in Ryan's corner during that time...though I have to admit it was one of the rare moments in the span of that show where I didn't like the way they had Ryan behaving. I was not a fan of watching him sulk around the pool house all day over Marissa's stupid ass.

I was glad Ryan had someone in his cornor as well. And I agree, I really thought Luke backing the guy she left him for would have sent a message to her, but no, she's too thick in the skull to see reason.

And I agree, Ryan sulking was just not right. Like I got that he was upset, I'd be upset, but I would be pissed kind of upset. Like Summer Blackout Rages kind of upset. And then I would be done with it because there were some major trust issues that were made worse. I thought Marissa burned a major bridge with him during the whole Oliver thing. Somehow she managed to build it again and then burn it a few more times.

Originally Posted by adiafaith

Ryan so needed a more stable and functional girlfriend to counterbalance all the hell he'd been through. He didn't need a drunk like his mom, a thief like his brother, and a liar like practically everyone he knew growing up. And I don't get why they always insisted he was "meant" to be with her when every girl Ryan dated other than Marissa was stable, functional, and caring of his feelings. WTF kinda sense does that make?

And she so walked all over him and his heart in her little ballet flats and it really used to make me wanna kick her in her kneecaps. Ryan adored her...he was always rescuing her, always looking out for her and trying to protect her yet she never ever looked out for him. She treated him badly, spoke to him with such a lack of respect, and then lied to him. She was also kinda condescending in the way she was with him and the way she spoke. Like when Ryan came back in season 2 and she'd been screwing around with pool boy DJ. She didn't tell Ryan about it and instead made it seem like everything was as it was before he left. But when he sees her with DJ and confronts her, she does that whole, I didn't lie" in this patronizing way. Ryan's not stupid; he can tell the difference between the truth and a lie and you not coming clean about being in a relationship with some other guy is called A LIE!! Whew...sorry, that was my rage blackout moment, lol.

Oh you don't know how bad I wanted Ryan to find the pool boy and just have it reaffirm that idea that he should be with her. But once again they managed to build everything back up. It was a cycle of abuse if you ask me. Marissa would abuse his trust, he'd walk away from the situation, she'd get all drunk and skanky and need him to rescue her, he'd recuse her and they'd get back together and then she'd abuse his trust again.

You just want to smack Ryan on the nose and call him a bad puppy for falling for his over and over again.

Originally Posted by adiafaith

Marissa just never got the fact that the world didn't revolve around her. And she could never truly understand Ryan and what he was about. Ryan came to the O.C. to start a new life and all Marissa was doing was just dragging all the problems he was trying to get away from back into his life.

She never much cared about Ryan's feelings, just her own. She didn't even care about her best friend. I was watching season 3 finale and Marissa was talking about how her and Luke started dating and Summer wouldn't talk to her because Summer and Luke were enagaged (in the second grade). So even at 8 she was backstabbing and didn't care about her friends!

Originally Posted by adiafaith

And what irked me about her lack of growth was that no one ever challenged her on it. Summer was her best friend and never pulled her aside and said hey, Marissa, you really need to stop making these bad decisions. I would've loved to see someone confront her about it, but then again, she probably would've been to self-absorbed to even process someone else's opinion. And even I do the whole woe-is-me, pity-party thing at times but then I get up, acknowledge how I mucked things up and try to learn from my mistakes. It's called maturing and Marissa really needed to grow up, recognize the role she played in all of her situations and stop behaving like some damsel in distress.

She was such a ridiculously flat character. Who had just a couple set storylines. She had her "girlfriend" mode when things were good between her and Ryan, she had her "ignore boyfriend mode" when she was eyeing her next project, she had her "indignant girlfriend mode" when she couldn't believe that Ryan was being such a jerk and not understanding why she needed to spend every waking moment with her pet projects, she had her "spiralling out of control mode" after Ryan would inevitably kick her to the curb, and then she had the "sad puppy mode" when she was trying to get Ryan back.

There was nothing beyond that. It was a cycle that went over and over and over.

Originally Posted by adiafaith

Mmm...Theresa comes back in season 3...wait..where are you at in that season? She comes back briefly. I actually like the woman that plays Theresa...she's a really good actress.
This is where I do my b*tching about the way shows write out-of-character story lines. Ryan and Theresa were childhood friends and had loved each other for years. I just can't honestly believe that he'd be acting as if he were in hell being with her, even if a baby was involved. They had too much history and he cared too much about her to make her feel like she'd trapped him. I don't see him doing that but the writers just love to sh*t on back stories.

I like Theresa as well. She was a good person and the storyline they wrote for her made me upset. It was a their way of writing her off the show just when she was becoming a fixture in the oc. Same thing happened to Trey. Its like they had to prove to everyone that Ryan had nothing left in Chino, no one to care about him. They did it with his mom and the birthday party as well (though her coming back for his graduation--the episode where he goes to invite her and then changes his mind really broke my heart. She was just so excited to be with him in that moment).

Originally Posted by adiafaith

And much respect to Ryan for stepping back and letting Marissa just live her toxic life. He should've done that in the beginning...he would've been in a lot less trouble and pain throughout the series.

Yes he should have. He should have left her when he first realized her drinking problem, before things got too intense.

[meimei42]

Okay so I have to add this. So far I've watched the first half of the first episode of season 4. (My disk started messing up so I have to try and fix it before I can watch the rest.)

Anyway all I have to say is even in death Marissa is still annoying me.

I mean seriously? I get Julie being uspet and messed up at loosing her daughter. But Ryan turning into a boxer and completely avoiding the Cohens and all that. Over Marissa? A girl he wasn't even seeing anymore? I get that they had some kind of connection, but I'm choking on all the emoness. As sexy as it is to see him boxing, to me its just the dumbest thing I've ever seen. I'm sorry, but its beyond lame.

Freaking OC.

[Calena]

I'm sorry, but its beyond lame.

Just wait. It gets lamer as the season continues, but for once it's not Marissa's fault anymore.