Marissa Venting thread

[meimei42]

^^ That is so BS. Sorry, but it is. I LOVE drama. I love angst and suffering and I love being beat over the head with emotion. I love it. Its the reason why everytime Sam and Dean go to bat for each other on Supernatural I get all choke up, or watch Jake on last nights Jericho get put through intense intergoation tactics, or watching Stanley grieve his sister, or whatever. I don't give a damn most of the time about fluff. I don't cry easily at TV shows, I want a show to make me cry like a baby though. I love that.

That doesn't mean I like or even appreciate Marissa or her storylines.

Marissa is over the top and not in the good way. She has a character who had never endeared herself to me and so when she's going through all this emotional pain, I really don't care. I care more about the people she is affecting with her emotional pain than her because I don't like her and all she's ever done to try and make me like her is be self destructive. And it hasn't worked. I'm not falling for the 'she needs to be saved' act. I think a lot of girls want that though. Their night in shinning armor. And so they picture themselves as Marissa, as this girl who can screw up time and time again but the boy will still live and go totally emo over as soon as shes gone or hurting or whatever.

[meimei42]

Originally Posted by adiafaith

Oh this pissed me off too. Like ok...maybe if Ryan commented on it she might feel as if he was being jealous but when you're best friend is telling you the way it looks, why won't you listen? Oh, right, because Marissa's an ass.

The thing about the whole thing is I didn't understand why Marissa wasn't listening to her best friend. I almost at times found it hard to believe Summer and Marissa as friends. At the beginning yah, but they significantly changed her character in season 1 and I just didn't see how this person could stand by her friend and not get frustrated with what was happening. More in like, season 3 with the whole Johnny thing. I mean if my best friend didn't trust me or respect what I had to say, we always blowing me off because she was either rebelling or hanging out with guys who weren't her boyfriend, I'd want to distance myself from that.

Maybe Summer is just a better person that me.

Originally Posted by adiafaith

LOL, didn't someone (I think it was Theresa) say Marissa had gotten stronger in that ep? I was like "are YOU serious?!" LMAO She's a wreck! Look at how she fell apart over Volchek when anyone could've seen that coming a mile away. Omg, wait...now I can't stop laughing.

Oh I know, right! I'm sitting there thing, you think she's stronger? I think its impressive she made it past Kindergarden.

Originally Posted by adiafaith

Heh, I tried to block out most of the stuff Marissa did but she's got some moments that I think will forever be seared into my memory, lol. And that was so one of them. Nothing shows trust like telling your man's family secrets to a stranger, eh. I really wanted Ryan to get pissed off about that, especially since he hadn't yet dealt with his emotions over the whole Trey shooting thing, but he just told her it was ok. You break my heart sometimes, Ryan.

Oh Ryan, poor thing. I think honestly he would and should have been mad about her airing his dirty laundry. Maybe he was worried about a wedge coming inbetween them though, I don't know. I know I wouldn't be cool if Heath was talking to some girl about MY family problems and we've been together for five and a half years.

Originally Posted by adiafaith

Omg, one of Ryan's first encounters with her was picking her passed out drunk ass up off the ground! LMAO! Hell, even Ryan asked her to stop drinking and acting out so that'll tell you something. She scared even him at times.
LMAO!

Yeah I so don't get how she can tie her messed up life to him. He's probably one of the most stable things in it...or would have been if she hadn't been so hell bent on finding new men to throw her attention at. I honestly expected her an Trey to get close to hooking up or her to having feelings for him. They way they kept having her offer to go over and help him out. I swear her eyes were twinkling and she was all excited because it was Ryan 2.0 but even more messed up! She was probably salivating just thinking about being able to fix him.

Originally Posted by adiafaith

She was like never satisfied and, in all honesty, Ryan was never going to be able to be the man she wanted him to be because I really don't think she knew what she wanted. And yeah, Ryan was totally the battered woman...I wanted to rush in and scoop him up and get him into a safe haven or something.

Oh poor, sweet, vulnerable Ryan. How he fell into her trap over and over again I will never understand.

Originally Posted by adiafaith

She totally had Lindsay spinning and I just didn't get it. She knew how Ryan felt about the drinking and she'd promised to look after Lindsay so why do it? Why not just step into the maturity circle and say no to Lindsay? Especially seeing as she knew that (1) Lindsay didn't drink and (2) the only reason Lindsay didn't feel comfortable is because Marissa wasn't making her feel comfortable. She could've done more to put her at ease than just sitting there all awkwardly with that "I don't know what to say to you 'cause you're dating the guy I want" attitude.

Yeah what she did to Lindsay was totally vindictive. Maybe she thought if Lindsay got drunk Ryan wouldn't like her either. I loved that he yelled at her. I hated how thought he was in the wrong. Marissa did everything she could to make the girl feel awkward and uncomfortable, then plastered her with alcohol. She deserved to be yelled at.

Originally Posted by adiafaith

That actually sent me through the roof 'cause I so related to that. There were a number of people that did the same thing to me, pushing me to try and build a relationship with my mom after she'd put me through hell and did a ton of s**t to me. My friends were all like, "don't do it, are you sure you wanna go down that path again" and some of my family were so freakin' adamant about how I had to give her another chance because she's family. And let me just say, it turned out bad. And I mean, really bad. Like me having to call the police bad, like almost losing my mind 'cause I got so depressed bad. And I look at the people that told me to go back and be around her like "you all so didn't know me and you so didn't have my best interest in mind." So when they were pushing Ryan I was screaming at the TV for him to just leave Trey alone. Of course, he didn't listen. They never do.

I felt bad for Ryan whenever issues with his family came up, because it was like for a second he could let himself believe he had a normal family life. But then Mom or Trey would walk back into his life and he'd be really cautious while everyone is pushing him to make the connection and when the **** finally hit the fan, Ryan was the one burned and everyone would be like "oooh, I'm so sorry." Perhaps there was a reason Ryan was distancing himself for this life. Why no one else wanted to see that, I don't understand. You can't force someone to make ties with family, especially when in like Ryan's case, they're really just trying to stand on their own two feet and recover from all that has already happened to them because of family. The whole Trey situation was so frustrating because I did want him and Ryan to have a good relationship, Ryan could have really benefited from that, but Trey wasn't ready to be what Ryan needed and everyone forcing it on him was a disatster that hurt Ryan so much in the long run.

Originally Posted by adiafaith

I may be wrong but I don't think I ever recall in the run of that show (or at least in seasons 1-3) ever hearing Marissa ask Ryan what he was thinking or how he was feeling. Like never. That speaks spades about her.

I can't think of anytime either. Its usually her wanting to talk to him about why she's acting this way or that way. No wondering why Ryan is acting the way he is.

Originally Posted by adiafaith

If you start it, I will follow, lol. For real though and not only follow but I'd be in that thread forever with some seriously long posts 'cause I have to admit that I haven't seen such a beautiful depiction of a sibling relationship on Tv in...(hmm...since right now my mind draws a blank on any great sibling relationships on TV)...well...ever. The love that they have for each other is so wonderful to watch and (and this is a credit to Jared and Jensen) even in some of the smallest scenes (moments where it's just a look or a gesture) I can feel their bond and it makes me break into tears.

I love those brothers. I wasn't really sure how I wanted to start the thread. I probably will start one though.

The second best sibling relationship in TV in my mind are Bonnie and Stanley from Jericho. Stanley is a bit older (like 32 I think) and Bonnie is 18, but he's taken care of her since she was four. She's deaf and really they only have each other to count on. When they killed her it absolutely broke my heart. There was this scene where he was in the morgue saying goodbye to her, and I knew he was going to say goodbye, but he started signing instead of talking and I swear I started crying and I don't cry easily at TV. It was just so sweet because even though she was dead, he said goodbye to her in her language and it just broke my heart.

Oh Jericho--you are so evil for that.

Anyway:

Originally Posted by adiafaith

Yeah and he could've did the same with Marissa if she's gotten her head out of her butt. Instead she just whined and complained that he won't be the person she wants him to and ran off to find someone else. I'm surprised Ryan didn't actually close up more after enduring Marissa's antics over and over again.

Yeah I'm suprised as well there wasn't more damange to Ryan than we saw because of her. How he could date anyone after her without super, serious trust issues, I will never know.

Originally Posted by adiafaith

That's so true. I'm sure Marissa thought the world revolved around her and that Ryan should stop and focus on her when she couldn't "deal" with her feelings. Yep, and the sun rise and sets only when Marissa wakes up and goes to sleep. What would we do without her?

Like The OC a whole lot more? LOL

Originally Posted by adiafaith

Yeah, walking away from everything to cage fight was a bit much. I kinda did had a "are you for real, Ryan?" moment when I saw it. Though, I think I accepted it because they'd sort of set that story up in season 3. In the scene where Ryan hangs the punching bag in the pool house and just starts wailing at it, not stopping even when his hands get all bloody. I gotta admit: that was, hands down, my favorite, most memorable, and most emotional scene of that entire season for me. I cried so bad 'cause you could see how much pent up emotion and rage he had...all those feelings he'd bottled up and couldn't get it out but desperately wanted to get out...during that scene. And Ben act that out brilliantly really. So seeing him trapped in a cage (how poetic was that) fighting (but more than anything, fighting himself) sort of made sense...but, in all honesty, I'd have preferred him to have this moment where he broke down...punching walls, breaking glass, destroying a car (kinda like Dean did in SN ) and then fall into tears. I would've liked that better and it wouldn't have felt as over the top as the whole "fight club" plot felt.

I don't think I'm debating the greatness of what the scene COULD have meant. Because it COULD have been really moving. Its WHY he was pushed to that place I will never understand. If like say, Trey was killed that night because Marissa shot him, I could see himself packing everything up and taking off. But I just didn't buy into it enough that Ryan would push everyone away because Marissa. I mean, I guess history says he would, but it still bothered me.

And OMG the scene with Dean just wailing on her car, I just couldn't beieve it. He loved that car more than just about anything else in this world. LOVED IT. But it totally represented his dad and this life that had been forced on him and just watching him take it out on the car was so beautiful.

Jensen actually talked about this scene and said he just lost it and ended up loosing the crow bar and started like punching the car and his knuckles got all blood and ****. He said he didn't know why they cut it early though. I so think they should have had that in there.

Originally Posted by adiafaith

Good point. For one, the O.C. had it's share of plot holes but in terms of Ryan, they definitely needed to be more clear on his ties in Chino. A part of me feels like Theresa was added for convenience to create a little drama between Ryan and Marissa but then that screws with the whole "he had no one and nowhere to go" theory. Because if Theresa was someone he loved and he was as close to her and her family as they tried to portray, then why didn't he call her? And why would he have just left her without saying anything? Yep, that thud you hear is us falling right into the hole, lol.

LOL yup, what I though, giant plot hole. I don't know why the writers felt the need to make Chino = MOST AWFUL PLACE EVER AND THE PEOPLE SUCK TOO and then bring positive people back into Ryans life. It can't be both. You can't say Ryan had no one to turn to and then turn around and have characters come back into his life who are upset he left without a goodbye. He could have turned to them and WOULD have turned to them, not some guy he met once.

Originally Posted by adiafaith

You're play story was really beautiful. I guess I'm the opposite 'cause I went more emo in the scenes where his mom was sort of telling him things would be different and then she got smashed at the party. How embarrassed and hurt he was. And then when he woke up and saw her about to leave him again and all he could do was this feeble wave. I freakin' lost it at that scene, but it's probably 'cause I could relate to that more. But I still got misty over the car scene because he'd been through so much with her and it was emotional to see him have this tender moment with her where she was willing to give him what she could...(especially since she'd never done that before). But a part of me woud've liked it better if she'd came back and still been messed up...to have to watch him literally, with all that he had in front of him in the future, acknowledge that he had to let go of his mom once and for all. Whoa...I would've cried buckets on that. But enough of my own life, back to Ryan's, lol.

I thought it was cool they gave the mom some growth, but I'm not sure still if I believe that its for good. And having her come back messed up still might have been more true to her character but it still make me a little teary eyed to see her make this positive change for herself and for Ryan.

Originally Posted by adiafaith

All of his relationships outside of Marissa felt so normal and lacking in chaos. But then again, maybe that's just it. Maybe Ryan was so used to chaos that that's what gravitated him to Marissa. He just needed to realize that he deserved more than she could ever give him.

Yeah he had a basically normal love life outside of Marissa expect when Marissa was getting his girlfriends smashed.

Originally Posted by adiafaith

And for the Sara thing:
As much as I shipped Michael and Sara, even I know that chica is D-E-A-D. I mean, really, you'd think a head in the box would seal the deal. I'm not sure what more the writers needed to do on that (although I maintain my concerned about sara thread stance that she shouldn't have been on the run with them...she lost her head over Mike in more ways than one )
I'm kinda glad I wasn't around here at the time her head was presented as a gift to PB viewers 'cause I'm sure a lot of MiSa fans flooded the forum. And I didn't even see the ep when it first aired but I knew it happened because I could hear the thud around the world as MiSa fans fell to their knees, screaming in horror, lmao!

OMG It was bad. Some chick thought I was the most awful person. I said I was sad for Sara fans at her passing, but that I was never really a fan of her character outside of season 1 and people were FREAKING out and the more they decided Sara was alive and they were sending out petitions, the more annoying it got because it was obvious the actress didn't WANT to come back. Anyway, one chick tried to take me on verbally and basically was a card short of a full deck and was dressing down everyone all the while getting offended at people trying to talk reason. Chick was nuts. You're lucky you weren't here. LOL.

[adiafaith]

Maybe Summer is just a better person that me.

And me too 'cause as much as Marissa refused to listen and screwed up and then ran back crying on her friends shoulder, I would've so 86-ed that friendship. But maybe because Summer wasn't the greatest person when the show first started, maybe she felt like she needed to stand by her friend because Marissa had been there for her all those years.

I'm sitting there thing, you think she's stronger? I think its impressive she made it past Kindergarden.

I thought she was such a weak character, through the whole series, and it kinda irked me that people really liked her and felt sorry for her. I mean, she always made bad choices...her life was a series of bad choices and not only did she never own up to her mistakes, but she'd fall apart emotionally when things didn't go her way. How is there strength in that?

I think honestly he would and should have been mad about her airing his dirty laundry. Maybe he was worried about a wedge coming inbetween them though, I don't know.

I think so too because at that point she'd gotten expelled over what she did to protect him. I'd imagine he felt responsible for some of the bad things that were happening and just wanted to keep things from getting tense....but still, lol.

I know I wouldn't be cool if Heath was talking to some girl about MY family problems and we've been together for five and a half years.

I feel ya, chica! I'd be pissed. I mean, seriously pissed, to the point where I'd definitely be rethinking how much I could trust that person and if I still wanted to maintain a relationship with that person. And I have trust issues just like Ryan so I'm always troubled that he just let that slide.

Yeah I so don't get how she can tie her messed up life to him. He's probably one of the most stable things in it...or would have been if she hadn't been so hell bent on finding new men to throw her attention at. I honestly expected her an Trey to get close to hooking up or her to having feelings for him. They way they kept having her offer to go over and help him out. I swear her eyes were twinkling and she was all excited because it was Ryan 2.0 but even more messed up! She was probably salivating just thinking about being able to fix him.

LMAO! Oh, I kinda thought they were gonna take it there too. But the writers aren't totally crazy. Had Marissa hooked up with Ryan's brother, I gotta believe massive people would've felt like he should never get with her again. But I think that's why they did it the other way around and had Trey fall for her and try to attack her. Question though. If when Marissa was only trying to be a friend to Oliver and he became obsessed with her and when she was trying to help out Trey and be a friend and he almost raped her, then why wouldn't she expect when trying to be a friend to Johnny that he wouldn't fall in love with her? I mean even after Johnny told her he loved her she was denying it, saying it was the painkillers talking and that he didn't really mean it. LOL WTF?! Marissa's stuck on stupid.

I loved that he yelled at her. I hated how thought he was in the wrong. Marissa did everything she could to make the girl feel awkward and uncomfortable, then plastered her with alcohol. She deserved to be yelled at.

She sure did and I think Alex was out of line for stepping in. She didn't know their history, she didn't know the things Marissa had already done and that this was a clear pattern of Marissa's screwed up behavior. Frankly, I wanted Ryan to tell her to mind her own business. Marissa needed to be screamed on more and if people had stopped babying her and acting like she was so f*****g fragile, maybe she wouldn't have been such a screw up.

....Mom or Trey would walk back into his life and he'd be really cautious while everyone is pushing him to make the connection and when the **** finally hit the fan, Ryan was the one burned and everyone would be like "oooh, I'm so sorry."

Do you know how many times I've had family members tell me "ooh, I'm sorry" over the same mess. Luckily, Ryan's a better person 'cause he didn't throw it back in any of their faces. I know I would've and have, lol.

You can't force someone to make ties with family, especially when in like Ryan's case, they're really just trying to stand on their own two feet and recover from all that has already happened to them because of family. The whole Trey situation was so frustrating because I did want him and Ryan to have a good relationship, Ryan could have really benefited from that, but Trey wasn't ready to be what Ryan needed and everyone forcing it on him was a disatster that hurt Ryan so much in the long run.

Heh, I didn't want Ryan to even go there with Trey because, frankly, Ryan had entirely too much work to do on himself at the time Trey showed up. Sometimes it's best to let your own wounds heal first rather than going back picking at the scabs. And it's not to say I knew Trey would be bad (well, I knew he would 'cause from my own experience I've learned to be pessimistic, lol) but I really would've just loved to hear Ryan say something like, "Look, Trey, I love you, you're my brother, and I want a relationship with you...but right now there's issues I need to work out in me before I can even go there with you." Or something like that. But I guess that doesn't make for a great story, eh?

How he could date anyone after her without super, serious trust issues, I will never know.

Yeah for someone who had trust issues, he was pretty trusting. I think something went off in the writing because he was a little of a contradiction when it came to that.

Like The OC a whole lot more? LOL

LMAO! True.

Its WHY he was pushed to that place I will never understand.

I think it was a build up of everything, stuff with his mom over the years and his brother and then the only girl he ever truly loved *rolls eyes* being taken from him and he couldn't hold on to her or protect her or stop himself from losing her. That when things had finaly started to go back to some normal place for the two of them, he lost her. Maybe that. But it does irk me that he went totally over the cliff for Marissa. If Marissa hadn't been such a b*tch to him and had been a great girlfriend, I would've been so for it. But she was an a**.

...If like say, Trey was killed that night because Marissa shot him, I could see himself packing everything up and taking off...

Aye, it would've irked me if he did that for Trey 'cause he didn't want to let his guard down with Trey to begin with it..but perhaps that would've made more since. Ugh...I'm getting an image now. If Marissa had killed Trey I could so see her calling Ryan afterwards in the middle of the night saying some stuff like, "I'm having nightmares over killing your brother, I need you to talk to me." LOL

And OMG the scene with Dean just wailing on her car, I just couldn't beieve it. He loved that car more than just about anything else in this world. LOVED IT. But it totally represented his dad and this life that had been forced on him and just watching him take it out on the car was so beautiful.
Jensen actually talked about this scene and said he just lost it and ended up loosing the crow bar and started like punching the car and his knuckles got all blood and ****. He said he didn't know why they cut it early though. I so think they should have had that in there.

Whoa. I didn't know that...is that on the DVD commentary or in an interview. You know, I was wrecked watching that scene...I don't know if I could've handled seeing that.

I don't know why the writers felt the need to make Chino = MOST AWFUL PLACE EVER AND THE PEOPLE SUCK TOO and then bring positive people back into Ryans life. It can't be both. You can't say Ryan had no one to turn to and then turn around and have characters come back into his life who are upset he left without a goodbye. He could have turned to them and WOULD have turned to them, not some guy he met once.

I don't know why either. Either make a story about a guy who has no one and nowhere to turn who finds someone willing to be there for him in this new place or make a show about a guy with some connections in his neighborhood but they're not enough to keep him out of trouble. Like, I would've been okay if Ryan had called Theresa and her mom just couldn't afford to take him in and care for him. That would've made sense. But the fact that Ryan was living with them in Season 2 makes me go, "well then why couldn't he do that in season1?"

And having her come back messed up still might have been more true to her character but it still make me a little teary eyed to see her make this positive change for herself and for Ryan.

I guess at that point Ryan needed some hope that there could be some type of connection to his biological family. He was going off to college and would begin to start moving away from the Cohens so it was kinda important to hint at the possibility that all ties to his family weren't cut.

OMG It was bad. Some chick thought I was the most awful person. I said I was sad for Sara fans at her passing, but that I was never really a fan of her character outside of season 1 and people were FREAKING out and the more they decided Sara was alive and they were sending out petitions, the more annoying it got because it was obvious the actress didn't WANT to come back. Anyway, one chick tried to take me on verbally and basically was a card short of a full deck and was dressing down everyone all the while getting offended at people trying to talk reason. Chick was nuts. You're lucky you weren't here.

A petition? For what? For them to sew her head back onto her body? WTF?!
I just knew it was going insane on here when that went down (not petition insane though, lmao!) 'cause it's like hard to reason with some of them. And for a lot of them, THAT is the reason why they were watching the show. Not for the brothers, not about the other convicts...only to see Michael and Sara end up together. They about near died when she OD'd and were one step away from a mental ward when she left him in that motel so I just knew her death was gonna shake the world of crazed MiSa fans (the crazed ones, not the sane ones like myself, lol).
And what'd you do to to have that chick after you? LOL Crap, I wanna know what she said! If she came after you for saying you weren't a Sara fan, what did they do to the ones that are really vocal about their Sara hate?! LOL

[Calena]

Hi girls! Just wanted to let you know that I enjoy reading your posts very much, although I don't really have anything to add - you cover it all!

By the way, have you started the brotherly love thread already?

LOL Crap, I wanna know what she said! If she came after you for saying you weren't a Sara fan, what did they do to the ones that are really vocal about their Sara hate?! LOL

Ahh, it was and still is not pretty. I haven't even been around at the height of the Sara-dead-or-not thing, but the afterwaves I got caught in were enough for me, so I admire meimei for taking all the heat!

[meimei42]

Here's the thread for it: http://forums.buddytv.com/prison-bre...character.html

Well, its one of them anyway. lol

[adiafaith]

Originally Posted by Calena

By the way, have you started the brotherly love thread already?

Mei started it. It's here: http://forums.buddytv.com/supernatur...onship-tv.html


Aye, Calena, they're still going on about Sara? It's been a while....
Five Stages Of Grief
1. Denial and Isolation.
2. Anger.
3. Bargaining.
4. Depression.
5. Acceptance.

You'd think they'd at least be at acceptance by now.

...I read that thread and it was, to say the least, madness, lol. Clearly some were in the anger and bargaining stages, lol.

[Calena]

Thank you for the link.

It's nowhere as bad as it was when it just had happened, but we still do get our occasional "Sara not dead"-threads. The interesting thing is, although there already hundreds of them each new Sara not dead person who comes to this board just has to start their own thread instead of just posting in one of the existing threads.

On the whole how Marissa treated Ryan badly thing: If she had been a character with some depth and some likeable traits I think I could maybe have forgiven her. Rory didn't treat Dean nice in Gilmore Girls, stringing him along when she really wanted to be with Jess. But at least she showed some remorse and was aware that she was mean. That can't be said for Marissa.

[meimei42]

Ah yes, Rory pissed me off with the whole Jess/Dean thing. Girl didn't know what she had.

This is going to go offtopic, but I need to talk about it.

So I finished The OC. Its done. The finale was....odd I guess. I'm not sure I liked it, I'm pretty sure I was bored most of the way through. For a show that loves its drama, how everything for everyone worked out PERFECTLY was a little odd, but whatever. Anyway, thats not what I want to bitch about.

What I want to bitch about is Taylor. I know I said I thought her little crush on Ryan as cute. It was. It was like this pathetic little puppy and it was kind of cute. Ryan crushing back on her? Awkward and not really believeable. Fine, whatever, still not my biggest issue.

My biggest issue is how much of a bitch Taylor was whenever Ryan was a little slow to express his feelings. I mean, if your with a guy who doesn't tell many people he loves them, who barley every talks about his feelings, do you really expect him to go toe to toe with some french artist/author? Just because someone can say I love you as easliy as make a cup o tea doesn't mean that they're feelings are stronger. I think when Ryan is ready to say I love you, he will say it and it should be on his terms and when he feels ready to say it. I think *that* makes it more powerful, not draging it out of him or dropping massive hints that its what you want. Its not a birthday present, for someone as wounded as Ryan an important declaration. It BOTHERED me how much she would push for him to express him emotions, but not just express them, express them the way SHE wanted him to express them and if he didn't she didn't stand by him and accept him, she turned her back on him because he couldn't do it. It annoyed me. I mean not on a Marissa Cooper level, but just in general.

And it annoyed me that they couldn't go like two episodes with being a happy couple. WHY does Ryan need to have all this on again off again drama?

And DUDE, I lived in Southern California my whole life. WTF is 'Earthquake Weather'? Seriously?

[Calena]

Actually I had the feeling that they paired up Ryan with Taylor because they knew the show would be over after 16 eps and didn't bother to introduce a new character, so they just coupled Ryan up with the female already on the cast who wasn't entirely inappropriate. I didn't like Ryan & Taylor at all, but I'm just glad they didn't pair him up with Marissas little sister or something terrible like that. It would have been fine by me if Ryan didn't have a love interest in S4. He could just have been playing the field for a change - I wouldn't blame him after the Marissa drama.

I'm very sure I didn't like the finale. I mean in addition to everything else the Cohen's having another kid, what was that for?

Ah yes, Rory pissed me off with the whole Jess/Dean thing. Girl didn't know what she had.

I don't blame her she wanted to be with Jess, I can totally understand the appeal of a "bad guy". Also as opposed to Dean Jess was smart and well-read, that's got to mean something for a girl like Rory. I just didn't like how she didn't finish it with Dean. I would have loved for Dean to stand up to Rory sooner.
Another thought: Do you think Rory and Sam would get along? I think Rory would really like Sam, cause like I said he's intelligent and well- read, he is nice and caring, but he wouldn't let her walk all over him like Dean did.
I've said it before but I'll say it again: Why oh why did they name Dean of SPN Dean too? It's so confusing!

[adiafaith]

Ugh, I hated Ryan and Taylor together. That was when I totally abandoned the O.C. ship, lol. I don't think Taylor is ever the type of girl Ryan would've dated...it felt so bizarre and out of character. When they hooked up I was just like WTF?! I'm done.

I agree with you, Calena, I'd have been totally okay with seeing Ryan single. I hate when these types of shows feel like they have to put the characters in a relationship. Let Ryan be single for a moment and recover from all the damage that had been done to him by Marissa. I would've been slightly okay if they'd put Taylor with Seth in season 3 but Ryan and Taylor just made no sense together. And yeah, it was probably because there was no point in adding a new character when the show was coming to an end. But still....