Marissa Venting thread

[lila]

Originally Posted by Calena

Do you think if I tried the same with a "Sara is dead"-thread, striclty telling that I wanted no Sara lovers opposing me, it would work as well? Or is it due to meimei's status as celebrity (winning the SPN script and being quoted in the articles) ?

Now I haven't read anything else of the thread due to me still being stuck in season 1 (though I just ordered my season DVDs because they were totally cheap) but a Sara venting thread would be so so awesome!

[Calena]

Originally Posted by lila

Now I haven't read anything else of the thread due to me still being stuck in season 1 (though I just ordered my season DVDs because they were totally cheap) but a Sara venting thread would be so so awesome!

It's not that I hate Sara. I'm neutral regarding the character, she has behaved stupidly on some occasions (I won't spoiler you now, tell me when you've finsihed S1), but she doesn't annoy me a fraction as much as Marissa does. Most of the not dead people annoy me to no ends, because they just don't seem to get that PB isn't a love story/soap opera. But if someone was couragous enough to open a Sara venting thread I'd be in there, too!

[adiafaith]

GOD did Marissa annoy me in that episode. Like she totally couldn't see how much Johnny was in love with her? Even Summer was concerned and if your best friend is concerned about the amount of time you are spending with a guy who isn't your boyfriend, perahps you ought to take a step back and look at what's going on.

Oh this pissed me off too. Like ok...maybe if Ryan commented on it she might feel as if he was being jealous but when you're best friend is telling you the way it looks, why won't you listen? Oh, right, because Marissa's an ass.

I just remember *laughing* when she was all crying and upset over it. Like dude...really? I mean seriously? He gave you a chance to let him treat you right and you turned it down and said if you wanted to be treated right you wouldn't be with him (which was kind of bitchy, but whatever). So yeah, I'm sorry, dude isn't exactly boyfriend material. You dressing him up like it doesn't make it true.

LOL, didn't someone (I think it was Theresa) say Marissa had gotten stronger in that ep? I was like "are YOU serious?!" LMAO She's a wreck! Look at how she fell apart over Volchek when anyone could've seen that coming a mile away. Omg, wait...now I can't stop laughing.

You know what's funny, I never really locked onto that she was spilling Ryan's life sob story. I must just try and block everything with Johnny out.

Heh, I tried to block out most of the stuff Marissa did but she's got some moments that I think will forever be seared into my memory, lol. And that was so one of them. Nothing shows trust like telling your man's family secrets to a stranger, eh. I really wanted Ryan to get pissed off about that, especially since he hadn't yet dealt with his emotions over the whole Trey shooting thing, but he just told her it was ok. You break my heart sometimes, Ryan.

And I LOVE how in season 3 when she's at Berkley and she's talking about how perfect her life used to be, she notes that that all changed when Ryan rolled into two (and she acts all astonished to realize this). WTF ever! She was a messed up drunkard before Sandy brought him home.

Omg, one of Ryan's first encounters with her was picking her passed out drunk ass up off the ground! LMAO! Hell, even Ryan asked her to stop drinking and acting out so that'll tell you something. She scared even him at times.

Oliver was a sign from GOD they didn't belong together. Ryan missed church or something that day because he seems to have misplaced the memo.

LMAO! Perfectly said and so freakin' true.

When she was with Ryan all she could do was look out the window at what else was there, or be a total snob because he was overreacting to the fact that she was spending all her time with other guys *stabs her with a fork* She never deserved Ryan.

She was like never satisfied and, in all honesty, Ryan was never going to be able to be the man she wanted him to be because I really don't think she knew what she wanted. And yeah, Ryan was totally the battered woman...I wanted to rush in and scoop him up and get him into a safe haven or something.

Yeah that whole thing pissed me off too. Like yeah, she asked for a drink, and fine, Marissa could have given her one, but Marissa got her sloshed. She wasn't looking out for her and if memory serves me right, I think Ryan specifically asked Marissa to watch out for her.

She totally had Lindsay spinning and I just didn't get it. She knew how Ryan felt about the drinking and she'd promised to look after Lindsay so why do it? Why not just step into the maturity circle and say no to Lindsay? Especially seeing as she knew that (1) Lindsay didn't drink and (2) the only reason Lindsay didn't feel comfortable is because Marissa wasn't making her feel comfortable. She could've done more to put her at ease than just sitting there all awkwardly with that "I don't know what to say to you 'cause you're dating the guy I want" attitude.

Trey just happened to be a little worse for the wear and some bad **** went down. But Ryan was trying to distance himself from that life and everyone kept pushing him to make this contact again. Marissa most of all. Like she didn't get it, didn't understand that maybe to be who the person he knew he could be, he had to break away from his old life.

That actually sent me through the roof 'cause I so related to that. There were a number of people that did the same thing to me, pushing me to try and build a relationship with my mom after she'd put me through hell and did a ton of s**t to me. My friends were all like, "don't do it, are you sure you wanna go down that path again" and some of my family were so freakin' adamant about how I had to give her another chance because she's family. And let me just say, it turned out bad. And I mean, really bad. Like me having to call the police bad, like almost losing my mind 'cause I got so depressed bad. And I look at the people that told me to go back and be around her like "you all so didn't know me and you so didn't have my best interest in mind." So when they were pushing Ryan I was screaming at the TV for him to just leave Trey alone. Of course, he didn't listen. They never do.

She didn't ever acknowledge really that Ryan might be conflicted over what happened beyond some comment or two. There is emotion there she has no idea about. Her selfishness about the whole situation infuriates me.

I may be wrong but I don't think I ever recall in the run of that show (or at least in seasons 1-3) ever hearing Marissa ask Ryan what he was thinking or how he was feeling. Like never. That speaks spades about her.

We should start a brother love thread for Supernatural because I could go on forever about how their sibling relationship is my favorite on tv. Those two would do ANYTHING for each other. You don't see that all the time, but they were the only two people they had in the whole world for the most part. Dean always taking care of Sam, Sam always looking up to Dean. It blows me away some of the moments they have. How this show doesn't have more viewers, I will never understand.

If you start it, I will follow, lol. For real though and not only follow but I'd be in that thread forever with some seriously long posts 'cause I have to admit that I haven't seen such a beautiful depiction of a sibling relationship on Tv in...(hmm...since right now my mind draws a blank on any great sibling relationships on TV)...well...ever. The love that they have for each other is so wonderful to watch and (and this is a credit to Jared and Jensen) even in some of the smallest scenes (moments where it's just a look or a gesture) I can feel their bond and it makes me break into tears.

Its interesting, because i was watching an episode where Sadie was kind of pushing Ryand to open up. It took awhile but eventually he did.

Yeah and he could've did the same with Marissa if she's gotten her head out of her butt. Instead she just whined and complained that he won't be the person she wants him to and ran off to find someone else. I'm surprised Ryan didn't actually close up more after enduring Marissa's antics over and over again.

Whenever Marissa wanted to talk with Ryan though, it as never about how HE was dealing, but how SHE was dealing. So thats why it didn't matter if she shared his private life with anyone who would listen, as long as they would listen to her.

That's so true. I'm sure Marissa thought the world revolved around her and that Ryan should stop and focus on her when she couldn't "deal" with her feelings. Yep, and the sun rise and sets only when Marissa wakes up and goes to sleep. What would we do without her?

Anything to do with Marissa is reguards to Ryan is like THE END OF THE WORLD for him. He goes all kinds of emo and just kind of cuts himself off from everyone else and its all because of her. How is that right?...But it didn't end! Ryan is still SOOO emo over her and willing to throw his life away because of it....see: first episode of season four. WTF ever Ryan! Seriously. I get it, it was very upsetting, I'd have a hard time getting over it, but really? Cage boxing and completely ignoring your family? For Marissa? Lamest thing ever.

Yeah, walking away from everything to cage fight was a bit much. I kinda did had a "are you for real, Ryan?" moment when I saw it. Though, I think I accepted it because they'd sort of set that story up in season 3. In the scene where Ryan hangs the punching bag in the pool house and just starts wailing at it, not stopping even when his hands get all bloody. I gotta admit: that was, hands down, my favorite, most memorable, and most emotional scene of that entire season for me. I cried so bad 'cause you could see how much pent up emotion and rage he had...all those feelings he'd bottled up and couldn't get it out but desperately wanted to get out...during that scene. And Ben act that out brilliantly really. So seeing him trapped in a cage (how poetic was that) fighting (but more than anything, fighting himself) sort of made sense...but, in all honesty, I'd have preferred him to have this moment where he broke down...punching walls, breaking glass, destroying a car (kinda like Dean did in SN ) and then fall into tears. I would've liked that better and it wouldn't have felt as over the top as the whole "fight club" plot felt.

One thing I never understood, and I think this is a plot hole. In the pilot, when his mom leaves, he calls all kinds of people and he can't find anywhere to stay so he calls Sandy. And then, later when he goes back to Chino, people are like WTH where did you go? You didn't even say goodbye. They either needed to say yes, all his relationships were negative (in this instance, Theresa, as she was, should have never existed) or they needed to explain better where the hell everyone was when Ryan needed them.

Good point. For one, the O.C. had it's share of plot holes but in terms of Ryan, they definitely needed to be more clear on his ties in Chino. A part of me feels like Theresa was added for convenience to create a little drama between Ryan and Marissa but then that screws with the whole "he had no one and nowhere to go" theory. Because if Theresa was someone he loved and he was as close to her and her family as they tried to portray, then why didn't he call her? And why would he have just left her without saying anything? Yep, that thud you hear is us falling right into the hole, lol.

I think him actually having some positive aspects in life in Chino made his move to the OC that much more important. That he knew he was giving up some of the good things in his life but ultimately he was doing it to better himself.

I guess the writers felt like we wouldn't feel for Ryan as much if he had something positive in Chino. We'd look at it like well, it wasn't totally bad for him and he's pretty freakin' blessed to now have it even better with the Cohens. They needed him to be in hell in Chino and act like the O.C. was all Ryan had, if he wanted to survive. I'm not a fan of that, but whatevs.

And the scenes with his mom, especially in season 3, just broke my heart because to a degree, I can understand some things. Like when his mom gave him the car. It wasn't a benz and I'm sure the cohen's could have gotten him a car, but this was from her, so it was special.

You're play story was really beautiful. I guess I'm the opposite 'cause I went more emo in the scenes where his mom was sort of telling him things would be different and then she got smashed at the party. How embarrassed and hurt he was. And then when he woke up and saw her about to leave him again and all he could do was this feeble wave. I freakin' lost it at that scene, but it's probably 'cause I could relate to that more. But I still got misty over the car scene because he'd been through so much with her and it was emotional to see him have this tender moment with her where she was willing to give him what she could...(especially since she'd never done that before). But a part of me woud've liked it better if she'd came back and still been messed up...to have to watch him literally, with all that he had in front of him in the future, acknowledge that he had to let go of his mom once and for all. Whoa...I would've cried buckets on that. But enough of my own life, back to Ryan's, lol.

He really was great when he was away from her. He started to stablize and find good people in his life to surround himself with. And sometimes he'd date other girls and sometimes it didn't work out, but you saw a normal range of emotion from him that didn't exist when he was with Marissa.

All of his relationships outside of Marissa felt so normal and lacking in chaos. But then again, maybe that's just it. Maybe Ryan was so used to chaos that that's what gravitated him to Marissa. He just needed to realize that he deserved more than she could ever give him.


And for the Sara thing:
As much as I shipped Michael and Sara, even I know that chica is D-E-A-D. I mean, really, you'd think a head in the box would seal the deal. I'm not sure what more the writers needed to do on that (although I maintain my concerned about sara thread stance that she shouldn't have been on the run with them...she lost her head over Mike in more ways than one )
I'm kinda glad I wasn't around here at the time her head was presented as a gift to PB viewers 'cause I'm sure a lot of MiSa fans flooded the forum. And I didn't even see the ep when it first aired but I knew it happened because I could hear the thud around the world as MiSa fans fell to their knees, screaming in horror, lmao!

[Calena]

Good point. For one, the O.C. had it's share of plot holes but in terms of Ryan, they definitely needed to be more clear on his ties in Chino. A part of me feels like Theresa was added for convenience to create a little drama between Ryan and Marissa but then that screws with the whole "he had no one and nowhere to go" theory. Because if Theresa was someone he loved and he was as close to her and her family as they tried to portray, then why didn't he call her? And why would he have just left her without saying anything? Yep, that thud you hear is us falling right into the hole, lol.

I always felt it was just not right the way he left Theresa when she told him on the phone she'd lost the baby. I can't remember exactly because it's been years since I've seen it, but wasn't it just like "oh, no baby anymore, great, I'll go back to the Cohens"? He didn't even come home to Theresa to pick up his things, if I remember correctly. You should mean a guy like Ryan would go and try to comfort any girl who just lost her baby and even more so if it maybe was his baby and even more so if he once had loved the girl. Just leaving like he did was so out of character for him, imo.

A quick of topic question: Is there a Dark Angel section on this board - didn't find one yet. Hopefully I'll finsih watching DA tonight and I have some things to say about it.

While searching for a Dark Angel thread I stumbeld upon this: http://forums.buddytv.com/oc-actor-c...a-unliked.html
Now, that we girls hate Marissa because we want to be with Ryan and are jealous of her is an interesting theory.

[adiafaith]

Originally Posted by Calena

I always felt it was just not right the way he left Theresa when she told him on the phone she'd lost the baby. I can't remember exactly because it's been years since I've seen it, but wasn't it just like "oh, no baby anymore, great, I'll go back to the Cohens"? He didn't even come home to Theresa to pick up his things, if I remember correctly. You should mean a guy like Ryan would go and try to comfort any girl who just lost her baby and even more so if it maybe was his baby and even more so if he once had loved the girl. Just leaving like he did was so out of character for him, imo.

If I'm remembering it correctly, she told him on the phone that he wasn't happy and she wasn't happy and she didn't want him to come back ('cause he did initially tell her he would come right back to be with her). But I still think he should've went back to her, to see if she really was ok. I'm in 100% agreement that it was out of character for him because it was written to believe that at one point he really did love Theresa. Even if she didn't want to see him or talk to him, I would've preferred to see a scene with him going back to her, trying to console her.
But, you know, they set it up like that 'cause she was still pregnant and didn't want Ryan to see that. But it wasn't good....I can't say it enough, I really hated the whole Theresa/Ryan/baby storyline. It was probably the worst one on that show (except for the storylines in season 4, lol).


Omg I had to lift this quote:

I don't understand the Marissa hating either. To me, she is the essence of the show because I don't think any of the other characters can carry a storyline like what Marissa does. The girl has gone through so much more in her life than any of the other characters and I think people resent her because she is always going through something.

I think she carries her storylines so well because she's repeating the same things over and over again, lol. And I so don't think she's the essence of the show...Ryan is. It's all about having to leave a world behind and be an outsider in a new place. How Ryan adapts, how he deals, how he is able to interact with and affect those around him without getting lost in this world of extravagance is the essence of the O.C.

[meimei42]

LMFAO 30 people at work got laid off yesterday, so I'm not going to be on here much today (better safe than sorry) but those posts CRACK ME UP. I'm not a teenybopping love sick girl with pictures of Ryan on my wall and a picture of Marissa with a big fat ex through it. Thats so funny.

Marissa is an annoying, self-centered character who had the most redundant storylines. Thats why I don't like her. Thats so funny man.

Not that Ryan isn't utterly adorable.

I just have to say one thing. The whole Taylor crushing on Ryan is so cute and funny. I might not like it later (depending on how it turns out) but dude that girl is a little wonkers, I love it.

More later on Marissa I promise.

[Calena]

Originally Posted by meimei42

LMFAO 30 people at work got laid off yesterday, so I'm not going to be on here much today (better safe than sorry) but those posts CRACK ME UP. I'm not a teenybopping love sick girl with pictures of Ryan on my wall and a picture of Marissa with a big fat ex through it. Thats so funny.

I thought so, too. I mean according to this theory I should hate Buffy because I had a major crush on Angel/David Boreanaz back when it aired. But all I wanted was for them to be happy together - and I still want that (maybe we'll get it in the season 8 comics).

I just have to say one thing. The whole Taylor crushing on Ryan is so cute and funny. I might not like it later (depending on how it turns out) but dude that girl is a little wonkers, I love it.

I'm really looking forward to hear your opinion how OC ends!

[adiafaith]

What happened to the good old days when you could just hate a character because they suck?

Originally Posted by meimei42

The whole Taylor crushing on Ryan is so cute and funny. I might not like it later (depending on how it turns out) but dude that girl is a little wonkers, I love it.

Hmm..I didn't like the crushing...but then again, Taylor annoyed me.

[meimei42]

LOL she doesn't bother me (YET). She did at the beginning of season three, but I kind of feel for her and her desperate need to cling to people. Its pathetic and endearing to me. To each their own though (I promise I'll give my long response later)

[Calena]

I think people who appreciate the idea of drama like Marissa but those that prefer more laid back and I guess more easy-go-lucky storylines like Summer and Seth more. The bulk of the viewing public are younger girls who prefer to have a Summer-like character to look up to, Marissa is flawed she always has problems but to me that's why she's the best character.

That's from the same post adiafaith quoted from.
If you like "dark" storylines, real drama, you should go and watch SPN or Buffy. Having to kill your first love in order to save the world is a dark storyline. Getting drunk, being selfish and generally treating people like **** and never learning from your experience doesn't make for an interesting character imo.
But to be fair, I don't know how much of OC had been aired when those posts were written, maybe the still had hope that Marissa would do some personal growth/evolving.