Marissa Venting thread - Page 2

meimei42 · 03-14-2008, 09:46 AM

Well good for her LOL.

adiafaith · 03-14-2008, 10:12 AM

Oy, I knew there was a post I hadn't responding to yet. I'm slipping

I'll reply to your post mei sometime today...definitely before I start drinking tonight!

meimei42 · 03-14-2008, 10:41 AM

LOL Sounds good.

adiafaith · 03-15-2008, 07:22 AM

So I ended up with that drink earlier than planned so I had to sober up before I could respond to this, lol.

I actually watched an ep of season 3 on TV yesterday (the one with the school "lock-in" and Marissa was with Johnny at the party)....I gotta say, it kicked up all this rage in me. Maybe that's part of the reason I never bought season 3 on DVD...plus I think that season was crappy but that's another story, lol. Either way, be prepared because I have a vent ready to explode in me and I already know my post is gonna be long!

As far as the prom and Marissa's relationship with Volchek goes, I never got it. I don't know how the hell she could expect him to treat her well. When she first met him he was screwing Johnny's girlfriend behind Johnny's back. That should have told her something. But stupid is as stupid does.

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You're right, Ryan never needed her to save him. He was a good person who just needed the right environment to get him on his feet. As soon as he wasn't this wounded bad boy anymore, she's all over Oliver or Johnny or the dude. Its kind of pathetic.

Omg, I'm having a flashback from when Ryan wanted to go away on that boat...he quit the home schooling and was just gonna go away to work on the boat for a few months. When Marissa found out Ryan was gonna quit school she was talking about it to Johnny and said something about how Ryan's family was really screwed up. I swear if I could've reached into that TV and broke Marissa's neck I would've because if anybody's really screwed up, it's her.

Yeah Ryan might have came from a dysfunctional family but he wasn't dysfunctional. And he was smart and capable enough to take advantage of the Cohens taking him in and use that to make a better life for himself. Marissa could've never done something like that because she was too weak and pathetic. And a part of me thinks she knew this and it's why every time some loser came along, she clung to them...'cause it made her feel better about herself, it made her feel stronger. I bet if Ryan had stayed the broody, messed up kid from Chino, Marissa would've stayed right by his side...well...until someone more broody and messed up came along, lol.

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Her mistreatment of Luke, even if he was a jerk, was just foreshadowing of how the rest of the series would go....If they have this need to pull away from relationships as soon as they find a new puppy, they will always have this need. Ryan deserved so much better.

Yeah, it's like it's her M.O. in relationships. Ryan should've recognized that. Granted, he had strong feelings for her and all but after the way she did Luke to be with him and then the way she did him to be with Oliver, you'd think Ryan would realize she's so not the person he needs to be with. But it was her attitude about the whole thing that makes me more upset. That "I'm not doing anything wrong" act that she always pulled. When Ryan messed up, he'd own up to it but when Marissa screwed up (which was all the time) she'd act like it wasn't her fault or that Ryan was overreacting. I just wish Ryan would've noticed it and left her alone.

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When she had Ryan all she could do was want to be around her pet projects. When she didn't have him, all she wanted was him. It was kind of messed up. She needed to grow up and move on. Stop pinning over someone who you were willing to drop like a hot potato because some CRAZY GUY thought you should.

Amen, chica! If Ryan's who she wanted to be with, then she should've showed it when she was with him. But she never did so it was real infuriating to see her secretly crushing after him when he'd moved on. When they were stuck in the mall and she told Summer she missed Ryan all the time, all I could think was, "that's b.s." Were you thinking about him when you lied to him, when you were screwing around with DJ the pool boy, when you were having your little fling with Alex, or when you were trying to get Lindsay drunk? Oh yeah, that episode upset me 'cause I know Lindsay asked for the drink to feel more comfortable but Marissa didn't have to give it to her. And I, for one, actually enjoyed Ryan yelling at her about it. But going back to what I was saying...if Marissa truly loved Ryan then she should've treated him right when she was with him...otherwise just let him go and move on. But her wanting to get back with him when she was clearly just gonna screw him over again was freakin' ridiculous.

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And I agree, Ryan sulking was just not right. Like I got that he was upset, I'd be upset, but I would be pissed kind of upset. Like Summer Blackout Rages kind of upset. And then I would be done with it because there were some major trust issues that were made worse. I thought Marissa burned a major bridge with him during the whole Oliver thing. Somehow she managed to build it again and then burn it a few more times.

LOL, she was a pyromaniac when it came to bridges! But yeah, I think he should've been enraged upset not all emo-I-think-I-wanna-slit-my-wrists-'cause-I'm-so-depressed upset. I actually think it was a moment when they wrote him doing something out of character. Having been screwed over by his mom and brother and all so many times, I'd think Ryan would've had that more "I'll just cut her off" mentality. Him all falling apart about it seemed odd. He's been f****d over by people he loves and gotten used to it, so seeing him crumble over Marissa angered me.

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Oh you don't know how bad I wanted Ryan to find the pool boy...

Omg, when I first saw that episode and Summer told Ryan Marissa had moved on, I was screaming like crazy at the TV for Ryan to go to Marissa's house. I wanted him to catch those two together just as bad. It kinda made my day when he did, lol.

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Marissa would abuse his trust, he'd walk away from the situation, she'd get all drunk and skanky and need him to rescue her, he'd recuse her and they'd get back together and then she'd abuse his trust again. You just want to smack Ryan on the nose and call him a bad puppy for falling for his over and over again.

But of course my excitement was ruined when he took her back, lol. It was such an abusive pattern and I wanted to scream at Ryan that he should know better. He was smarter than that and he'd experienced those same behaviors before with his family....you'd think he would've learned from his past experiences.

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She never much cared about Ryan's feelings, just her own. She didn't even care about her best friend. I was watching season 3 finale and Marissa was talking about how her and Luke started dating and Summer wouldn't talk to her because Summer and Luke were enagaged (in the second grade). So even at 8 she was backstabbing and didn't care about her friends!

LOL, they start at such an early age, eh! Oh, you could so create a list of the ways Marissa showed she never cared about Ryan. I swear, that list would go on and on.

I'm thinking about the ep I just watched and the whole ep proved how Marissa was totally concerned with her own feelings. For one, she was having those nightmares and calls Ryan at like 3 or 4 in the morning. He told her everything would be ok because Trey was gone and that she should just go back to sleep. And she had the nerve to be pissed off about it, telling Summer that she just wished he'd say he was there for her. Uh, hello! You shot his brother. His brother!! I know Trey was an ass and attacked her but just think about what Ryan's going through over this: his brother who'd screwed him over and lied to him in the past comes back into town, telling him things would be different. He finally gives in, wanting a relationship with his brother, yet Trey ends up lying to him again, stealing from an auction, getting involved in a girl almost dying in the pool, getting involved in some drug thing with said girl, attacking Marissa, and then trying to kill him. And you think you should be mad because you're having a dream and Ryan won't come running to talk about it? Right, Marissa...'cause it's all about you.

Then Marissa goes to Johnny, telling Johnny about how Ryan's family is so screwed up and talking about Trey and why? Oh, because Johnny's dealt with an abusive family so he gets her. Un-f*****g-believable. But it gets worse. When Ryan asks her what her and Johnny were talking about she tells him "it's personal." I could've punched her in her face in that moment. Ryan's your boyfriend, the person you're supposed to be able to confide in and talk to, not to mention the fact that she's telling Ryan's personal family business to an outsider!

You see...this pissed me off when I first saw it but I think I almost burst a blood vessel when I watched it yesterday. Partly because I'm rewatching season 2 of Supernatural and I was at the episodes where Dean isn't willing to deal with and talk about his feelings over the death of their dad. And it's so clear how much Sam loves his brother because he keeps pushing Dean to talk about it. Over and over, he lets Dean know that he doesn't care how he deals with it but that he must deal with it. He even gets punched behind it but, in the end, Dean eventually opens up and talks about it (in a beautiful emo moment for Dean, might I add). And I loved it because you knew that these two really care about each other.

You see, that's what upset me about the whole Ryan/Marissa thing. We all know Ryan doesn't really open up and talk about his feelings but when this whole thing happened with Trey, that was a perfect opportunity for Marissa to really push Ryan. She was struggling to deal with what happened and I felt like she should've been more resilient in talking to Ryan and letting him know that she needed and wanted him to deal with his feelings on it so that they could heal together. That's what you do when you really love someone. But what does she do. She says f**k it, if Ryan won't talk, I'll find someone who will. And I'm like WTF. She wasn't the only one hurting but by her behavior you'd think her pain was the only pain that mattered. I actually never forgave her for that...she pretty much abandoned Ryan.

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She was such a ridiculously flat character. Who had just a couple set storylines. She had her "girlfriend" mode when things were good between her and Ryan, she had her "ignore boyfriend mode" when she was eyeing her next project, she had her "indignant girlfriend mode" when she couldn't believe that Ryan was being such a jerk and not understanding why she needed to spend every waking moment with her pet projects, she had her "spiralling out of control mode" after Ryan would inevitably kick her to the curb, and then she had the "sad puppy mode" when she was trying to get Ryan back. There was nothing beyond that. It was a cycle that went over and over and over.

Perfectly put! Her behavior and story was always predictable because she did the same thing over and over again. That's mainly why I was happy to see her die off...I wanted to see the cycle broken.

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Its like they had to prove to everyone that Ryan had nothing left in Chino, no one to care about him. They did it with his mom and the birthday party as well (though her coming back for his graduation--the episode where he goes to invite her and then changes his mind really broke my heart. She was just so excited to be with him in that moment).

I would've preferred there still be some link, someone who cared for him, in Chino because then it just makes it look like every positive relationship he had there was b.s. And I don't buy that. The fact that Ryan was able to somewhat survive and hold himself together in Chino, even if it was him barely holding it together, proved that he had at least someone positive in his life. They didn't have to destroy that to have Ryan stay in the O.C. And every scene with his mom broke my heart...I got my own mother/daughter issues and it was hard to watch his scenes with his mom.

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He should have left her when he first realized her drinking problem, before things got too intense.

Definitely. My issue with those two together is a positive and loving relationship should involve two people complimenting each other, bringing out the best in each other. Marissa didn't do that for Ryan. When he was with her, he was fighting Luke, Oliver, Johnny (or at least about to fight Johnny), Volchek, random guys, the dean! He was getting into so much trouble around her and she seemed to bring out the worst in him. But when he was away from her, he was great.

Ok, so I had to subscribe to this thread so I won't slip on my responses anymore!

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Calena · 03-17-2008, 07:47 AM

I've enjoyed reading this thread very much - as I said when I was the only one in the "Question of the Day" thread who didn't see that Marissa was a poor girl I was afraid I had a heart of stone.

Also, I'm very impressed by who well this worked:

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This thread is dedicating to venting about the lame things Marissa Cooper has done through the series. This isn't for the Marissa fans, so be warned. If you have all kinds of Marissa love, start your own 'Marissa Love' thread for that stuff. You're not going to convince us that that she isn't lame.

Do you think if I tried the same with a "Sara is dead"-thread, striclty telling that I wanted no Sara lovers opposing me, it would work as well? Or is it due to meimei's status as celebrity

(winning the SPN script and being quoted in the articles) ?

meimei42 · 03-17-2008, 08:04 AM

LMFAO are you ****ting me girl! I am no where near a celebrity on this board. I know like maybe twelve people or something!

They may listen if you start a thread about disliking Sara (I'll come and share my dislike! LOL) but Sara fans tend to me a little...um...wonkers. And maybe its the Mod status that keeps people in line heh.

Alright, I'm going to respond to adia's response now.

Calena · 03-17-2008, 08:30 AM

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Originally Posted by meimei42

LMFAO are you ****ting me girl! I am no where near a celebrity on this board. I know like maybe twelve people or something!

Not counting the 500 + people on your friends list.

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They may listen if you start a thread about disliking Sara (I'll come and share my dislike! LOL) but Sara fans tend to me a little...um...wonkers. And maybe its the Mod status that keeps people in line heh.

That could be it.

meimei42 · 03-17-2008, 08:48 AM

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