Time-Loop Evidence Thread

LOSTmylife108 · 08-06-2007, 09:05 AM

I thought it would be a cool idea if everybody add to this thread the instances that you think are evidence of a time-loop on the island. Checkout the posts, watch the scenes on your own, and give some feedback.

I have been rewatching season 2 and 3 (my season 1 dvds are pretty banged up unfortunetly). As I have been watching I have been looking for any scenes that pop out and seem to foreshadow a time-loop. So far in season 2 i have found two scenes that seem very strange and very obvious that the losties have an idea of what is going to happen, a subconcious premonition if you will...

1. Season 2 - Episode 6 - Abandoned - At the very last scene in this episode, Shannon and Sayid hear whispers in the trees and they both bear witness to the soaking wet Walt. This is the first time Sayid has seen Walt, and he now believes in Shannon's visions. Sayid is floored of this discovery and he lays on the ground blanked faced in awe. Shannon runs after Walt, and then we get a close-up shot at Sayid. He is quite preplexed and just stares motionless at Shannon as she runs off. Then something happens: Sayid jerks his head as he snaps out of his daze and his eyes bluge open as if he was just hit by a huge revelation. He jumps to his feet and yells, "SHANNON, SHANNON!!!" and then drasticly chases after her. Then we hear a shot and see Shannon fall to the ground-- she's dead.

2. Season 2 - Episode 10 - 23rd Psalm - When Mr. Eko and Charlie set off to find the crashed plane with the Virgin Mary statues, Charlie says he is lost; that it was dark the last time he was here, he was following Sayid, and he was almost crushed by falling rocks. Then Mr. Eko quickly glaces around and tells Charlie to climb a tree to get his bearings. You can sense the urgency in Eko's voice, as if he is racing to get his words out. Charlie refuses to climb up the tree, and Eko gets an aggressivley stern look on his fate. He intimidates Charlie to go up the tree without actually threatening him, due to his build and his bloddy Jesus stick. As charlie climbs the tree, shots of Eko are showing that his eyes are not on charlie climbing the tree; they are moving spartically across the treeline in front off him. One can sense this uneasy feeling about his jerky glances, as if he were scanning the area for danger. He tells Charlie to climb up higher; now Charlie is quite a distance up the tree. Then you hear Smokey and you see him blast up through the CV's. Smokey flys foward at Eko, but Eko stands his ground. A staredown ensues, and finally Cerebus looses his intrest and hovers back to its vent. It was almost as if he knew that Smokey was coming, that Charlie would have run,and they would be in danger-- unless Charlie was high up in a tree...

Thats all i have for now, as I continue to watch I'll add more scenes as they pop-up.

LOSTmylife108 · 08-06-2007, 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by TabulaRasa

...Here is some (not exhaustive) evidence that Jack has been through this before:
1. His preparation for the crash by getting another bottle of vodka from cindy
2. seeming to know where to go and who to treat in the pilot
3. forbidding Kate to go in "The Hunting Party" where she is captured
4. pursuing Michael so relentlessly in Season 2 to prevent him from going after Walt
5. telling Sawyer that he knew Sawyer loves Kate
6. even the odd thing of confessing his own love for Kate in the finale (as if he knew there wouldn't be another chance to say it)
7. not asking the simplest questions...

Thank you TabulaRasa for spawning my intrest!! Hope you don't mind me adding this here!!

TabulaRasa · 08-06-2007, 10:23 AM

not at all. as i go through the season 1 and 2 I'll post more. btw, you have been a posting machine the past two weeks.

I have a lengthy report on the time-loop possibilities. here is the link: http://tabularasa.erasedslate.com/20...time-tell.aspx.

May spur more debate in this forum.

LOSTmylife108 · 08-06-2007, 04:10 PM

TabulaRasa, when I was reading your blog, as I passed over your explanination of corse correction and Charlie's deaths, I relized something. Charlie has cheated death far before Desmond came around. The first time death was disrupted was when Jack revived him after Ethan had literly killed him. Then when he was with Sayid, the rock trap fell on him. I think this is proof that Charlie was "supposed" to die in Season 1, way before Desmond came around. I think that the producers killing him off is a big statment about time travel, at whatever level and purpose it may be.

patternsinthestatic · 08-06-2007, 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by LOSTmylife108

TabulaRasa, when I was reading your blog, as I passed over your explanination of corse correction and Charlie's deaths, I relized something. Charlie has cheated death far before Desmond came around. The first time death was disrupted was when Jack revived him after Ethan had literly killed him. Then when he was with Sayid, the rock trap fell on him. I think this is proof that Charlie was "supposed" to die in Season 1, way before Desmond came around. I think that the producers killing him off is a big statment about time travel, at whatever level and purpose it may be.

Good point. I think course correction plays in with the concept of time travel pretty closely.

Look up the Grandfather Paradox. Could relate to course correction and be a hint at where in time the Island is as we watch it. It'd explain why Locke couldn't kill his own father.

TabulaRasa · 08-06-2007, 08:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LOSTmylife108

TabulaRasa, when I was reading your blog, as I passed over your explanination of corse correction and Charlie's deaths, I relized something. Charlie has cheated death far before Desmond came around. The first time death was disrupted was when Jack revived him after Ethan had literly killed him. Then when he was with Sayid, the rock trap fell on him. I think this is proof that Charlie was "supposed" to die in Season 1, way before Desmond came around. I think that the producers killing him off is a big statment about time travel, at whatever level and purpose it may be.

The very first instance of Charlie being saved was in the Pilot. He trips while running from the "monster." Jack goes back and saves him. Charlie even tells Kate that he "was dead, then Jack came back." It was a very curious use of words.

LOSTmylife108 · 08-09-2007, 08:36 PM

I think i have found some physical evidence that may point in the direction of a timeloop. In a few of the episodes in season 3 Jack has a second tatoo. It is located on his left forearm, the same arm that has his tatoo "He walks amung us but he is not one of us." Anyway it is hard to tell what exactly it is, but it is quite obvious in some scenes. Well take a look at the episode One of Us, the scene where juliet is givind Claire the serum she made. Also look at the episode Par Avion, in the very last scene where Locke looks at jack with the binnolulars

LOSTmylife108 · 08-09-2007, 09:07 PM

After watching a little more into episode one of us i saw this. not sure if its a tattoo or a scar. But it is something worth noting

Desi's Brother · 08-12-2007, 05:50 PM

I would add when Kate is talking to Charlie while they are wondering through the jungle for the first time in the pilot episode. Jack is there too.

Kate says to Charlie: "You look really familiar." or something along those lines. He interprets this to mean that she recognizes him from Drive Shaft. This might be reading something into nothing, but the pilot felt different after Through the Looking Glass.

Pitchy · 08-13-2007, 08:38 AM

One thing to mention is the Orchid Station 6 video released at comic-con where the rabbit falls from the sky and also appears on the shelf behind Marvin.

Really seems like they are playing with the whole time thing there to get us going WTF while waiting for s4.

08-06-2007, 09:05 AM	#1
LOSTmylife108 Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 24	Time-Loop Evidence Thread I thought it would be a cool idea if everybody add to this thread the instances that you think are evidence of a time-loop on the island. Checkout the posts, watch the scenes on your own, and give some feedback. I have been rewatching season 2 and 3 (my season 1 dvds are pretty banged up unfortunetly). As I have been watching I have been looking for any scenes that pop out and seem to foreshadow a time-loop. So far in season 2 i have found two scenes that seem very strange and very obvious that the losties have an idea of what is going to happen, a subconcious premonition if you will... 1. Season 2 - Episode 6 - Abandoned - At the very last scene in this episode, Shannon and Sayid hear whispers in the trees and they both bear witness to the soaking wet Walt. This is the first time Sayid has seen Walt, and he now believes in Shannon's visions. Sayid is floored of this discovery and he lays on the ground blanked faced in awe. Shannon runs after Walt, and then we get a close-up shot at Sayid. He is quite preplexed and just stares motionless at Shannon as she runs off. Then something happens: Sayid jerks his head as he snaps out of his daze and his eyes bluge open as if he was just hit by a huge revelation. He jumps to his feet and yells, "SHANNON, SHANNON!!!" and then drasticly chases after her. Then we hear a shot and see Shannon fall to the ground-- she's dead. 2. Season 2 - Episode 10 - 23rd Psalm - When Mr. Eko and Charlie set off to find the crashed plane with the Virgin Mary statues, Charlie says he is lost; that it was dark the last time he was here, he was following Sayid, and he was almost crushed by falling rocks. Then Mr. Eko quickly glaces around and tells Charlie to climb a tree to get his bearings. You can sense the urgency in Eko's voice, as if he is racing to get his words out. Charlie refuses to climb up the tree, and Eko gets an aggressivley stern look on his fate. He intimidates Charlie to go up the tree without actually threatening him, due to his build and his bloddy Jesus stick. As charlie climbs the tree, shots of Eko are showing that his eyes are not on charlie climbing the tree; they are moving spartically across the treeline in front off him. One can sense this uneasy feeling about his jerky glances, as if he were scanning the area for danger. He tells Charlie to climb up higher; now Charlie is quite a distance up the tree. Then you hear Smokey and you see him blast up through the CV's. Smokey flys foward at Eko, but Eko stands his ground. A staredown ensues, and finally Cerebus looses his intrest and hovers back to its vent. It was almost as if he knew that Smokey was coming, that Charlie would have run,and they would be in danger-- unless Charlie was high up in a tree... Thats all i have for now, as I continue to watch I'll add more scenes as they pop-up.

08-06-2007, 10:23 AM	#3
TabulaRasa Junior Member Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 29	not at all. as i go through the season 1 and 2 I'll post more. btw, you have been a posting machine the past two weeks. I have a lengthy report on the time-loop possibilities. here is the link: http://tabularasa.erasedslate.com/20...time-tell.aspx. May spur more debate in this forum. __________________ I read the subtext in the context of pretext supported by proof-text.

08-12-2007, 05:50 PM	#9
Desi's Brother Senior Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 380	Pilot Episode I would add when Kate is talking to Charlie while they are wondering through the jungle for the first time in the pilot episode. Jack is there too. Kate says to Charlie: "You look really familiar." or something along those lines. He interprets this to mean that she recognizes him from Drive Shaft. This might be reading something into nothing, but the pilot felt different after Through the Looking Glass.

08-13-2007, 08:38 AM	#10
Pitchy Senior Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: 127.0.0.1 Posts: 1,121	One thing to mention is the Orchid Station 6 video released at comic-con where the rabbit falls from the sky and also appears on the shelf behind Marvin. Really seems like they are playing with the whole time thing there to get us going WTF while waiting for s4. __________________ "See you guys at dinner..."

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08-06-2007, 04:10 PM	#4
LOSTmylife108 Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 24	TabulaRasa, when I was reading your blog, as I passed over your explanination of corse correction and Charlie's deaths, I relized something. Charlie has cheated death far before Desmond came around. The first time death was disrupted was when Jack revived him after Ethan had literly killed him. Then when he was with Sayid, the rock trap fell on him. I think this is proof that Charlie was "supposed" to die in Season 1, way before Desmond came around. I think that the producers killing him off is a big statment about time travel, at whatever level and purpose it may be.

08-09-2007, 08:36 PM	#7
LOSTmylife108 Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 24	I think i have found some physical evidence that may point in the direction of a timeloop. In a few of the episodes in season 3 Jack has a second tatoo. It is located on his left forearm, the same arm that has his tatoo "He walks amung us but he is not one of us." Anyway it is hard to tell what exactly it is, but it is quite obvious in some scenes. Well take a look at the episode One of Us, the scene where juliet is givind Claire the serum she made. Also look at the episode Par Avion, in the very last scene where Locke looks at jack with the binnolulars

08-09-2007, 09:07 PM	#8
LOSTmylife108 Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 24	After watching a little more into episode one of us i saw this. not sure if its a tattoo or a scar. But it is something worth noting