Time-Loop Evidence Thread - Page 3

patternsinthestatic · 10-29-2007, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by MGSRevolver

In 2x20 [Two for the Road], Ana-Lucia meets Christian Shepherd in the airport bar (for those who don't remember, this is the same episode where Michael shoots Libby and Ana-Lucia, hence "two for the road"). One thing leads to another and she ends up dropping him off at a bar in Australia. When he opens the car door, he hits Sawyer who is on his way out of the bar. Earlier in the season (in a Sawyer flashback), when Shepherd enters the bar, Sawyer is already at a stool drinking.

I got the impression he was on his way in to the bar in 2x20. Is there concrete evidence either way?

ebrionez · 02-28-2008, 10:04 PM

actually I believe the FIRST time Charlie nearly is killed is moments after the crash. Charlie is stumbling around the wreckage and a piece falls just feet behind him. He turns and looks as if thinking "Oh my that almost fell on me!" check it out in the Pilot episode

kselvog · 03-18-2008, 12:19 PM

There are several instances of Locke knowing when it's about to rain, and I think I've seen someone else do the same thing. Then you have several different characters who end up in scenes where they say "this wasn't supposed to happen this way," or "you're not supposed to do this." Locke tells Jack he shouldn't make that call to the freighter.

Also, to add to the discussion of Charlie almost dying, he almost dies on the plane before the crash. If he hadn't gotten up to go do heroin in the bathroom, he would've been in the section that didn't survive. I think this is key to the story, and why he eventually had to die. He wasn't fated to survive the crash so the universe course corrected eventually.

erikau · 03-19-2008, 09:20 AM

Charlie wasn't the only one who should have died in the crash. Boone and Shannon were supposed to be in first class, tried desperately to be there, but couldn't get seats. Later on the island, Boone dies from injuries sustained when he fell with the little plane (course correction?) Then, wet Walt lures Shannon into the woods where she is shot (course correction?).

I'm also thinking that their not being able to get first class seats, thus surviving the crash, WAS the deviation from the course. I also think it was orchestrated by someone who knew they'd be needed on the island. Shannon and Boone ended up playing important roles on the island. Boone needed to be there, because if he wouldn't have died when the plane fell then Locke never would have banged on the hatch door which stopped Desmond from killing himself. Shannon was needed to translate the French message. After each fulfilled their role, they were no longer needed, and the course correction took place (in this case it meant killing them).

As I thought of this, another time-loop possibility struck me: Boone's hallucination. When Locke gives him the drug and puts him in the sweat lodge, Boone has a vision where Shannon it killed by the smoke monster etc. Maybe it wasn't merely a vision, but a memory of the way things had happened before. Boone ends up saving her in that episode, but the course is corrected when they both die later on.

A final thought: if Boone was supposed to die in first class, and not by falling in the little plane, does that mean Desmond is supposed to be dead? Is this the reason for the timeloop and the reason Boone and Shannon survive: because they are intrical parts of Desmond's course correction, stopping him from killing himself so he can trigger the failsafe?

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02-28-2008, 10:04 PM	#22
ebrionez Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 4	actually I believe the FIRST time Charlie nearly is killed is moments after the crash. Charlie is stumbling around the wreckage and a piece falls just feet behind him. He turns and looks as if thinking "Oh my that almost fell on me!" check it out in the Pilot episode

03-18-2008, 12:19 PM	#23
kselvog Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 1	There are several instances of Locke knowing when it's about to rain, and I think I've seen someone else do the same thing. Then you have several different characters who end up in scenes where they say "this wasn't supposed to happen this way," or "you're not supposed to do this." Locke tells Jack he shouldn't make that call to the freighter. Also, to add to the discussion of Charlie almost dying, he almost dies on the plane before the crash. If he hadn't gotten up to go do heroin in the bathroom, he would've been in the section that didn't survive. I think this is key to the story, and why he eventually had to die. He wasn't fated to survive the crash so the universe course corrected eventually.

03-19-2008, 09:20 AM	#24
erikau Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Philadelphia Posts: 283	Charlie wasn't the only one who should have died in the crash. Boone and Shannon were supposed to be in first class, tried desperately to be there, but couldn't get seats. Later on the island, Boone dies from injuries sustained when he fell with the little plane (course correction?) Then, wet Walt lures Shannon into the woods where she is shot (course correction?). I'm also thinking that their not being able to get first class seats, thus surviving the crash, WAS the deviation from the course. I also think it was orchestrated by someone who knew they'd be needed on the island. Shannon and Boone ended up playing important roles on the island. Boone needed to be there, because if he wouldn't have died when the plane fell then Locke never would have banged on the hatch door which stopped Desmond from killing himself. Shannon was needed to translate the French message. After each fulfilled their role, they were no longer needed, and the course correction took place (in this case it meant killing them). As I thought of this, another time-loop possibility struck me: Boone's hallucination. When Locke gives him the drug and puts him in the sweat lodge, Boone has a vision where Shannon it killed by the smoke monster etc. Maybe it wasn't merely a vision, but a memory of the way things had happened before. Boone ends up saving her in that episode, but the course is corrected when they both die later on. A final thought: if Boone was supposed to die in first class, and not by falling in the little plane, does that mean Desmond is supposed to be dead? Is this the reason for the timeloop and the reason Boone and Shannon survive: because they are intrical parts of Desmond's course correction, stopping him from killing himself so he can trigger the failsafe?