Michael is in the coffin

[soniagwheeler]

Originally Posted by marck

if you look at the coffin when jack lays his hand upon it, it is too small the hold sawyer or Micheal. it either has to be a small man. (ben) or a woman.. and when the guy asks "friend or family" jack replies neither, i do think he counts sawyer as a friend, no matter what their differences mite be..

i doubt ben would leave the island alive though..

it doesn't matter. coffins are a standard size for adults (they make a scale of children's coffins as well). unless you have to order an extra large coffin for an extra large man or woman. someone was kind enough to start a thread about this specific topic to avoid further confusion about it.

[era_of_mattitude]

Personally, I think it's pointless to argue who was in the coffin. You often have to expect the unexpected. Therfore it could be someone we haven't met yet. Jack was obviously upset at the loss of this person. I would think it's Ben because Jack thinks Ben was his last chance to get to the island so with ben dead hedosen't know how to get back.

But really, it could be a number of people, including someone we have yet to meet. Plus this seems to be an alternate timeline where Jack's ftaher could be alive (which I doubt) but with that known, there is no way of knowing until next year. We all have good points, but they are ultimatley cancelled by another point. Jack even seemed surprised nobody showed up, maybe it was someone unexpected like Juliet, who really knows. Does have a clear shot at the clipping, maybe the name posted is an anagram of something, a clue?

[basscpm31]

Kate would stay with sawyer if she was pregnant. Which is why she is so standoffish toward Jack in the flashforward. It's obvious she still loves Jack, but "cant" love him because she is carrying or already had Sawyer's kid. You can see that she still wants Jack but can't because she is forced to be with sawyer cuz of the kid.

[thatsplunkintalk]

I am starting to think Sawyer is in the coffin. Think about it we know Kate was going to use an assumed name when she wanted on the boat in season 1. There is no other way she could be off the island and be free unless she used one of the dead survivors names. Of course more then likely her picture would be plastered all over the news so it would be hard to get away with. I think the other doctore alluded to Jack being on the Island when he said, "a hero twice over". Which I think implies that people believe Jack is a hero for getting them off the Island (just trying to kill alternate time line theory here). Anyways who is to say Sawyer wouldn't have assumed another name? If he abandoned Kate's child she wouldn't want to see him, but Jack would think she would want too. Perhaps Jack wasn't a "hero" as claimed when he left the island and only a handfull of people knew, what he had done. Sawyer blamed him for something that went wrong but Kate felt Jack did what he had to do. Anyways thats my two cents.

[marck]

i picked up on that too, and the fact that jack says he is no hero and storms out kinda renforces it a bit i think...

some thing really bad musta happened to really mess jack up that bad tho...

[parothed1974]

everyone (well maybe not everyone) is assuming michael actually made it off the island. it is possible that ben lied to him (imagine that) and the coordinates were to a waiting boat (or sub) that plucked him and walt right off the boat and back into lockdown.

besides even if he did make it off island, who's to say he knows how to get back. i know if someone told me to get in a boat, head a certain direction in the middle of the ocean and then asked me to come back the same way many years later, i couldn't do it.

[dante318]

If you suspend the whole "coffins come in a standard size" argument. I think it may be locke in the coffin. It did look on the small side, but what if something had happened (either on or off the island) that meant John actually lost his legs, not just the use of them. He was forcibly removed and took an assumed name back in the real world.

Then if something happened to Michael, because Walt's mother was dead and because he and John had a strong bond, then John could adopt Walt. Meaning that John could be "survived by a teenage son".

He may have committed suicide bcos of his longing for the island/his legs or his distaste of the real world. Jack may have been so upset, because he may have caused John to lose his legs or because he now realises John was right and they werent supposed to leave the island, or because he saw John as his route back, because of his "communion with the island".

So many "what if's". Maybe this belongs in speculation.

[toddG]

I know this is a thread from last year so most of the content is based on what we knew at the time of the finally. So I am posting to bring this up to date as to why I think this theory is correct.
1. We know Micheal shows up again this year(most likely in the 8th eppisode)
2. We know that the Oceanic six are celebraties, and that they escaped with a dark secret ( assumably that they had to lie that there were still other members of flight 815 still alive on the island, and they had to promise to each other that know matter what they could not tell anyone there secret).
3. If Micheal made it back to the U.S. he would half to go by an alias or there would be too many questions to ask as to how he survived the crash. Also, He would eventualy be in trouble for murdering anna lucia and libby if the other members of 815 were ever found.
4. Walt shows up on the island for whatever reason which means he has the power to disapear and reappear elseware or he is dead and shows up like other dead people or he never left the island. previous experiences will show that anything is possible when it comes to walt.
5. Micheal is an artist, and we find art work that seems to be duplicates of art found on the island in both flash forwards and flash backs.

So I think it goes like this: Eppisode 8 is a Micheal flash forward. Micheal ends up back on the mainland with walt. They live under an alias, Micheal realizes that he can't handle walt's powers (much like walt's step father) so walt disapears. When the Oceanic six are rescued, Micheal is curious so he confronts them. I can see a scene where they are all together for a Photo shoot or something and he is in the crowd. they recognize him and suddenly you here the lost music in the back ground and it fades to the LOST intro. Even though they know he is a murderer they cannot tell anyone because they are almost as guilty by not confessing that the rest of the 815 members are still alive ( all the more reason that that Hurly and eventually Jack are driven to go back.)
I don't remember if there are any clues as to how the person in the coffin died, but human nature would say that hiding this dark secret would make a person go crazy. So he either killed himself or someone hunting down the truth might have done Micheal in. He was probably poor and because he was going under an alias he had no survivors, and he was neither family nor friend to Jack

[jackface]

I think Michael being in the coffin is pretty plausible. I've theorized that maybe it's Ben for a while, and I still think that theory holds possibilities. Of course, the question there is whether or not Ben would be able to get off of the island alive as the people in the freighter are clearly looking for him, which several people have pointed out. I'm confused as to why someone was mentioning Kate being pregnant. Are we assuming Kate's pregnant and/or had a child of Sawyers, or did I miss a clue somewhere?

At any rate, I think it would make sense for Michael to be in the coffin, with the exception of - where is Walt? Then again, if you think about it, Walt was pretty tied to the island and he's obviously a pretty powerful guy. The Others were all afraid of him, and after some of their testing, they let he and Michael leave because they were so afraid of Walt. So, who's to say that for some reason Walt didn't end up staying on the island if he and Michael came back? I'm not sure why Walt would stay, but with LOST, you never know and nothing is usually entirely out of the question.

I don't really think it's Locke in the coffin because Locke clearly has no intention of leaving the island, and obviously the people with whom they leave (assuming that they leave with these new people on the boat) don't force everyone to leave, or there'd be a hell of a lot more of them than six. So, I think Locke is probably still on the island in the flash-forwards. Also, are we assuming that the person in the coffin is or isn't one of the O6? I assume that it isn't because, evidently, the O6 are pretty famous. If one of them died, I'm sure there'd be a media frenzy, which there clearly wasn't. So, it'd make sense for it to be someone like Ben, because he was never on 815, thus he couldn't be part of the O6. Michael was on 815, however if he actually managed to get back home from the island (which I find a dismal possibility) then perhaps he wouldn't be considered part of the O6 because he'd already made it home once.

[No.78]

Originally Posted by tailhook

But we know the guy in the coffin had a teenage son from the newspaper clipping.

That's pretty much solid proof right there.