Michael is in the coffin - Page 2

AcidTWister · 05-27-2007, 04:19 PM

Sun forgave Sawyer, who severely hurt her. I'm pretty sure she'd forgive Michael, whom she was much closer to, for killing someone that shot one of their own, and someone else on accident.

Walt was clearly losing the whole "estranged" relationship towards his father there at the end. When they were building the raft together, their relationship was pretty well received (by me, at least) to be opening up. Then there's the fact that he knows his father WOULD commit a double murder, AND risk his own life against an army of people they thought were nigh-untouchable, just to rescue him.

There's NO reason for Walt and Michael to be estranged.

05-27-2007, 10:09 PM

While Michael is indeed black, i don't think it's him. If for no other reason than Jack didn't identify himself as a friend, which I'd imagine he would.

Makes me guess that like someone posted already, it is someone arbitrary and the viewing was held there cos it was cheap and/or convenient to whoever organized it.

What a miserable end for whoever it is. No one coming to see them...

05-28-2007, 01:20 AM

Whoever's dead is from New York and has a last name that ends with "...tham" according to that paper that Jack's carrying around all episode. Found in downtown LA either in a lot or a loft. None of the main characters have such a name.

I don't have a screengrabby thing or photoshop on this machine, so it's way too difficult to transcribe much more than that.

ali541 · 05-28-2007, 02:39 AM

to me the comment was going into a bit of a racist slur. imean so what if the community was black that does not mean that it had to be micheal. what if it was ben and he was living their becuase he knew that certain people whomay have been after him. i.e. the losties would not look there....and it also could have been locke i mean from season 1 onwards we didnt even kno where locke was living...i mean throught we saw him once living in an aprtment complex that was anything flashy..........so to it was micheal is just plain ignorrance................

abby1971 · 05-28-2007, 03:48 AM

Well,i think it is pretty obvious its sawyer in the coffin,he was wracked with grief after killing Lockes dad and committed suicide.Kate didnt want to see sawyer after they returned from the island and she had his child,who she said she had to get back too.Also Sawyer didnt have any friends or family as his job was a conman.

Griffon2k · 05-28-2007, 06:59 AM

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Originally Posted by burgerdog

Whoever's dead is from New York and has a last name that ends with "...tham" according to that paper that Jack's carrying around all episode. Found in downtown LA either in a lot or a loft. None of the main characters have such a name.

I don't have a screengrabby thing or photoshop on this machine, so it's way too difficult to transcribe much more than that.

It is very possible Michael could have been living under an assumed identity since it's likely he wouldn't want anyone from the island to come between him and his son if they found their way back. From the scene with Jack and Kate discussing the funeral, this just doesn't make sense for the dead person NOT to be a character we're all familiar with.

soniagwheeler · 05-28-2007, 07:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Griffon2k

It is very possible Michael could have been living under an assumed identity since it's likely he wouldn't want anyone from the island to come between him and his son if they found their way back. From the scene with Jack and Kate discussing the funeral, this just doesn't make sense for the dead person NOT to be a character we're all familiar with.

exactly. assumed identity. if john latham/bentham/whatever is one of the characters we already know, it's implied that this person is using an assumed identity..

so why is it such a mental stretch to presume the entire identity, including New York as place of origin, is also invented?

what i'm saying is: if this is one of hte known characters using a pseudonym, none of the information in the obit is going to be useful or reliable for deduction of the person's true identity. chances are it is all invented.

basscpm31 · 05-28-2007, 08:52 PM

There was no racist intention in my suggestion; it was simply a matter of conveying information. I had not yet seen a post suggesting Michael was in the coffin so thats why I initiated this theory. I agree that the writers purposely emphasized the location of the funeral and I believe that it is extremely relevant. And the theory that Michael is the one in the coffin does have some weight.

Michael IS Jack's ticket back to the island. If you believe in the theory that not all the losties were rescued, then it makes a lot of sense. Please contemplate this: for what reason is Jack such a wreck and why does he want to go back the island so badly? Jack's main goal is to get everyone off the island. I believe he failed to do so and that is the reason he desperately wants to return to the island. He needs to "Get everyone off the island!" like he said in the finale. We know for a fact that Kate and Jack were rescued, but we cannot assume all the other Losties were rescued. So the people who argue that Sun, Jin, and others would have attended Michael's funeral are assuming everyone was rescued. It is entirely believeable that no one would show up for Michael's funeral. And Walt may still be on the island so that can dislodge the question of why wasn't his son there.

So why would Jack say neither when asked if he was a "family or friend?" Because he is definitely not part of Michael's family and he is not Michael's friend. Michael betrayed Jack and the Losties and Jack and Michael never saw eye to eye. They weren't friends. So one who betrays Jack is his friend. He needed Michael to get back to the island, that's why he cried.

There is no way Sawyer is the coffin. Kate would definitely attend the funeral plus I think Sawyer was the "he" Kate was referring to when she said "I've got to get back to him."

LosT4evA · 05-29-2007, 03:39 AM

What I don't is why would Kate stay with Sawyer even though Jack told her he loves her. I mean wouldn't she feel guilty.

marck · 05-29-2007, 10:09 AM

if you look at the coffin when jack lays his hand upon it, it is too small the hold sawyer or Micheal. it either has to be a small man. (ben) or a woman.. and when the guy asks "friend or family" jack replies neither, i do think he counts sawyer as a friend, no matter what their differences mite be..

i doubt ben would leave the island alive though..

05-28-2007, 02:39 AM	#14
ali541 Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 256	to me the comment was going into a bit of a racist slur. imean so what if the community was black that does not mean that it had to be micheal. what if it was ben and he was living their becuase he knew that certain people whomay have been after him. i.e. the losties would not look there....and it also could have been locke i mean from season 1 onwards we didnt even kno where locke was living...i mean throught we saw him once living in an aprtment complex that was anything flashy..........so to it was micheal is just plain ignorrance................ __________________ AVERY97'S second fan..............

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05-27-2007, 04:19 PM	#11
AcidTWister Junior Member Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 5	Sun forgave Sawyer, who severely hurt her. I'm pretty sure she'd forgive Michael, whom she was much closer to, for killing someone that shot one of their own, and someone else on accident. Walt was clearly losing the whole "estranged" relationship towards his father there at the end. When they were building the raft together, their relationship was pretty well received (by me, at least) to be opening up. Then there's the fact that he knows his father WOULD commit a double murder, AND risk his own life against an army of people they thought were nigh-untouchable, just to rescue him. There's NO reason for Walt and Michael to be estranged.

05-27-2007, 10:09 PM	#12
burgerdog Posts: n/a	While Michael is indeed black, i don't think it's him. If for no other reason than Jack didn't identify himself as a friend, which I'd imagine he would. Makes me guess that like someone posted already, it is someone arbitrary and the viewing was held there cos it was cheap and/or convenient to whoever organized it. What a miserable end for whoever it is. No one coming to see them...

05-28-2007, 01:20 AM	#13
burgerdog Posts: n/a	Whoever's dead is from New York and has a last name that ends with "...tham" according to that paper that Jack's carrying around all episode. Found in downtown LA either in a lot or a loft. None of the main characters have such a name. I don't have a screengrabby thing or photoshop on this machine, so it's way too difficult to transcribe much more than that.

05-28-2007, 03:48 AM	#15
abby1971 Junior Member Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 1	Well,i think it is pretty obvious its sawyer in the coffin,he was wracked with grief after killing Lockes dad and committed suicide.Kate didnt want to see sawyer after they returned from the island and she had his child,who she said she had to get back too.Also Sawyer didnt have any friends or family as his job was a conman.

05-28-2007, 08:52 PM	#18
basscpm31 Junior Member Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 4	There was no racist intention in my suggestion; it was simply a matter of conveying information. I had not yet seen a post suggesting Michael was in the coffin so thats why I initiated this theory. I agree that the writers purposely emphasized the location of the funeral and I believe that it is extremely relevant. And the theory that Michael is the one in the coffin does have some weight. Michael IS Jack's ticket back to the island. If you believe in the theory that not all the losties were rescued, then it makes a lot of sense. Please contemplate this: for what reason is Jack such a wreck and why does he want to go back the island so badly? Jack's main goal is to get everyone off the island. I believe he failed to do so and that is the reason he desperately wants to return to the island. He needs to "Get everyone off the island!" like he said in the finale. We know for a fact that Kate and Jack were rescued, but we cannot assume all the other Losties were rescued. So the people who argue that Sun, Jin, and others would have attended Michael's funeral are assuming everyone was rescued. It is entirely believeable that no one would show up for Michael's funeral. And Walt may still be on the island so that can dislodge the question of why wasn't his son there. So why would Jack say neither when asked if he was a "family or friend?" Because he is definitely not part of Michael's family and he is not Michael's friend. Michael betrayed Jack and the Losties and Jack and Michael never saw eye to eye. They weren't friends. So one who betrays Jack is his friend. He needed Michael to get back to the island, that's why he cried. There is no way Sawyer is the coffin. Kate would definitely attend the funeral plus I think Sawyer was the "he" Kate was referring to when she said "I've got to get back to him."

05-29-2007, 03:39 AM	#19
LosT4evA Junior Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Universe Posts: 10	What I don't is why would Kate stay with Sawyer even though Jack told her he loves her. I mean wouldn't she feel guilty.

05-29-2007, 10:09 AM	#20
marck Junior Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: a place were hamburgers eat people Posts: 5	if you look at the coffin when jack lays his hand upon it, it is too small the hold sawyer or Micheal. it either has to be a small man. (ben) or a woman.. and when the guy asks "friend or family" jack replies neither, i do think he counts sawyer as a friend, no matter what their differences mite be.. i doubt ben would leave the island alive though..