Island is "Magnetic South Pole" off coast of Antarctica

[Desi's Brother]

Hi guys

I'm reposting this as a new thread. (originally on "where is the island?")

This is my geek research on Wikipedia that I say justifies "The Antarctica Theory" originally proposed by Howey. It potentially explains a lot. In fact I’m willing to bet on this as the location of the island. And no, we dont' know that Penny was in Antarctica but it would make sense.

I'm going to claim that the island the Magnetic South Pole off the cost of Antarctica.

I did some Wikipedia research and found some really interesting stuff. (What a geek) For clarity my remarks are in italics.[/i]


Part 1: Naming connections
Part 2: Island Theories



Part 1: Naming Connections: Coincidence???

1) “…the first confirmed sighting of the continent is commonly accepted to have occurred in 1820 by the Russian expedition of Mikhail Lazarev and Fabian Gottlieb von Bellingshausen.” (Antarctica - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia)

2) “The first child born in the southern polar region was Norwegian girl Solveig Gunbjörg Jacobsen…She was a daughter of Fridthjof Jacobsen, the assistant manager of the whaling station, and of Klara Olette Jacobsen.” Antarctica - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

3) Richard Evelyn Byrd led several voyages to the Antarctic by plane in the 1930s and 1940s.

4) “The first documented landing on mainland Antarctica was by the American sealer John Davis in Western Antarctica on February 7, 1821, although some historians dispute this claim.
In December 1839, as part of the United States Exploring Expedition of 1838 – 1842 (conducted by the United States Navy) (sometimes called the "Ex. Ex.", or "the Wilkes Expedition"), the expedition sailed from Sydney, Australia into the Antarctic Ocean, as it was then known, and reported the discovery "of an Antarctic continent west of the Balleny Islands." Antarctica - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


5) Note: The "Kelvin black body spectrum[/b]" from the paragraph on magnetic disturbances coming up in the paragraphs below.



Part 2:Island Theories

[/size]1) South Magnetic Pole:
“The Earth's Magnetic South Pole (actually the north pole of the Earth's magnetic field) is the shifting point to which the "south" end of a dipole magnet points. It is not located at Earth's South Terrestrial Pole; it is now off the coast of Antarctica, and drifts about 10 to 15 kilometers north-westerly each year.
It was first reached by Ernest Shackleton's Nimrod Expedition, though there is now some doubt as to whether their location was correct [1].” (Magnetic South Pole - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia)

South Magnetic Pole [2]
(199 64.6° S 138.5° E.
(2004 est) 63.5° S 138.0° E

Could this be the location of the island???

Does this mean that the island can’t be found because it moves?


2) Magnetic disturbances.

Astrophysicists at Amundsen-Scott South Pole Station study the celestial dome and cosmic microwave background radiation.
In cosmology, the cosmic microwave background…is a form of electromagnetic radiation discovered in 1965 that fills the entire universe. It has a thermal 2.725 kelvin black body spectrum which peaks in the microwave range at a frequency of 160.2 GHz, corresponding to a wavelength of 1.9 mm. Most cosmologists consider this radiation to be the best evidence for the big bang model of the universe.
Cosmic microwave background radiation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


3) Naomi's Languages?

Sections of Antarctica are claimed by Russia, USA, Argentina, Australia, Chile, France, New Zealand, Norway and United Kingdom.

This might explain why Naomi speaks all those different languages. Although it doesn’t explain the Portuguese. Could she work on a research station?[/quote]

[howey]

Thank you very much!

[mustbelost44]

I like that one.

[PEARSON252]

they actual speak Portuguese in Argentina as a main language

[howey]

Here's my original theory. I still stand by it but probably shouldn't have said "Atlantis". I should have said "lost civilization of some sort":

Back in Season 1, Walt was reading the Spanish(?) comic book. All of us focused on the picture of the polar bear. But did you see what was on the opposite page?
A drawing of an icy mountain, like a volcano, with an "island" atop it surrounded by water. In the bottom right hand of the drawing are the columns we've seen in recent episodes.
Are the Losties on an "island" in the middle of a now-dormant volcano in Antartica?
Think: Electromagnetic anamoly (the pole). Polar bears. Monitoring station in Antartica set up by Penny. Desmond saying, "We're in a snowglobe!" It's entirely reasonable that the planes, helicopters, etc. could have been set off course by the anamoly and/or directly brought to the island volcano as a result? Going even further, one word: Atlantis?

More to come...

[MrTimor]

howey, that was my theory exactly...i also, like u, think that it is an island in the middle of a volcano crater, explains the water surrounding the island leading to nowhere.....
but i think i got a confirmation of this theory when Ben's dharma class as a child were doing a volcano project

[Obz]

Originally Posted by PEARSON252

they actual speak Portuguese in Argentina as a main language

Nope. They speak Spanish in Argentina (spent a couple of months there).

Argentina - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

You are thinking of Brazil. Brazil has no claims to the Antartic.

The problem with Magnetic South Pole is this:

As of 2004 (the time period for Lost) the Magnetic South Pole is located at

63.5° S 138.0° E

That puts it here. 63.5° S 138.0° E - Google Maps

We know that they are in the later part of the year. Nov Dec ish right? (The Boston Red Sox won the World Series in Oct of 04, they are past this). As I said, I spent a few months in Argentina, it was Jan/Feb of this year actually. Those are the summer months of the Southern Hemisphere. I made it as far south as Esquel, in Patagonian Argentina (south of the 40th parallel, just as far south as the southern tip of Tazmania, Australia). The days are LONG that time of year that far south. Very long. They are well south of that, and would have almost no night hours to speak of. Due to what appears to be a fairly normal day/night pattern, they can't be on the real world Magnetic South Pole. They must be closer to the Equator.

Think: Electromagnetic anamoly (the pole). Polar bears.

The electromagnetic anomoly points to it, but not Polar Bears. Polar bears are only found in the Arctic (North Pole).

[Desi's Brother]

The hours in the day thing is a good point.

But is it far south enough to really have a major impact.

Thanks for the map. Is it possible to determine with google maps the distance from Sydney to the magnetic South Pole. Did Cindy say they were 1000 miles off course or something?

As for Polar Bears, I never said they justified this theory. It sounded like from Lost The Answers that Dharma were raising them. But they do make sense as a hint about the location of the island perhaps not being in a tropical location.

I guess we have to wonder how much of this story will be based in actual possibility and how much is just total fiction. The hours in the day point is not enough for me to give this theory up as a possible explanation for Lost even if it discredits the actual possibilty of it existing.

This is fun.

[Obz]

Originally Posted by Desi's Brother

The hours in the day thing is a good point.

But is it far south enough to really have a major impact.

Well, we both live in Toronto. So we know it gonna stay light out until 9pm pretty soon here. I use to live in Seattle, summer days lasting until 10:30pm aren't uncommon. Think northern Yukon or Nunavut during our summer as a comparrison. The sun wouldn't really even set.

Thanks for the map. Is it possible to determine with google maps the distance from Sydney to the magnetic South Pole. Did Cindy say they were 1000 miles off course or something?

Well no Gmaps directly, but this page allows point to point distance analasys reffering to Gmaps

Gmaps Pedometer

Sidney to Magnetic South Pole, as the crow flies: 2124.3 miles / 3418.8 km.

However that's traveling South West from Sidney, almost due south. They would have been traveling North East from Sidney to Los Angeles... even if the plane was ojnly on corse for a couple hours (700 miles?) that's amost 3000 miles (10 hours of flight time?) to back track down to what is the real world Magnetic South Pole.

The hours in the day point is not enough for me to give this theory up as a possible explanation for Lost even if it discredits the actual possibilty of it existing.

Fair enough. To me the climate, vegitation, and daylight hours excludes the possibility of a location in or near the Antarctic circle.

This is fun.

Totally!

[Obz]

For what it's worth, here is a polar opposite position. Instead of 63.5° S 138.0° E. I put in 63.5° N 90.0° W ( changed the E-W coordinant so it would show up on a recognizable body of land). That gets us to the Nunavut shore of Hudson Bay.

63.5° n 90.0°W - Google Maps


Here is a Time Table of daylight hours in Nunavut

Map of Northwest Territories Canada, map of Nunavut Canada, Nunavut tourism, Nunavut hiking

The 24 hour darkness period for this lattitude is mid Nov - Mid Jan (ish). We established we are indeed in Nov-Dec. Flip the world upside down, and you have 24 hour sunlight. Not argueing your theory, just tossin the info out there .

This may be of interest to you...

The Geomagnetic South Pole is a theoretical definition used to rationalize variations in the earth’s magnetic field. It is located at latitude 78°05’S, longitude 111°E, in the Australian sector near the Russian Vostok station.

Antarctica Climate

This is different than the Magnetic South Pole. Russian Vostok station, the monitoring station appeared to be on land after the Swan was blown and they 'found it' (SE2 finale). It can't however be the island, again (to me) due to the daylight hours there, and the fact that 78°05’S 111°E is, in the middle of the Antarctic continent.

78°05’S 111°E - Google Maps

Fun stuff, I think there is something to the South Pole (all of the variations of it), but I can't buy that they are in the Antarctic after looking all this stuff up!

One other thing to think about, Antarctica is... it's the planets largest desert. Almost no percipitation... the island is lush and visibly humid.