Rich Pundit's Forbidden Planet Theory

[lildutchgirl]

I think the main theme of both the play (The Tempest) and the movie (Forbidden Planet) is that of forgiveness and eventually, reconciliation. If it is true that Lost can be compared to these art forms, then I would offer these suggestions:

Many episodes of Lost were tied together by the common thread of forgiveness (or seeking some form of it): Kate wanted to understand why her mom couldn't forgive her, Cassidy debated forgiving Sawyer, Hurley helped Sawyer seek forgiveness from the camp, Juliet (in a way) sought forgiveness from Kate, and Kate sought forgiveness from Jack for interfering with his leaving the island. Plus, Locke mentioned how forgiveness wasn't one of the Others' "strong suits." And then there's Smokey, who wanted Eko to ask for forgiveness earlier this season--I don't think its appearance was a coincidence either.

More examples:

Episode - Enter 77
Sayid recalls the encounter with one of his former victims, and her magnificent act of forgiveness saying that being hurt is easy, but she would never be able to do the same to a human being or an animal. She states that if Sayid admits that he was the one who tortured her, he would be 'forgiven' by her and she would have her husband release him.

Episode - Three Minutes
Eko tells this story - "For a brief time I served in a small parish in England. Every Sunday after Mass, I would see a young boy waiting in the back of the church. And then one day, the boy confessed to me that he had beaten his dog to death with a shovel. He said that the dog had bitten his baby sister on the cheek; and he needed to protect her. And he wanted to know whether he would go to hell for this. I told him that God would understand -- that he would be forgiven, as long as he was sorry. But the boy did not care about forgiveness. He was only afraid that if he did go to hell -- that dog would be there waiting for him."

Episode - All the Best Cowboys Have Daddy Issues
Sawyer's discussion with Sayid:

SAYID...You know, a less magnanimous man than I might just be thinking he could beat the ever-living snot out of you right now without fear of reprisal.

SAYID: You want a shot, take it. But know that I left this camp out of shame for what I did to you. It was never my intention to return.

SAWYER: Sorry, fresh out of sweet forgiveness.

Episode - Maternity Leave
Eko introduces himself to Henry (Ben). Eko tells Henry that on the first day on the island he was attacked and killed two men with a stone. "I need you to know how sorry I am for this. I need you to know that I am back on the righteous path now, and that I regret my actions. I ask you for your forgiveness."

"Why are you telling me this?" Henry asks.

"Because I needed to tell someone."

Coincidentally, while looking for some of these examples, I came across this article about Desmond Tutu who headed a Commission on Truth and Reconciliation.

Resurgence issue 214 - PATH OF FORGIVENESS Interview with Desmond Tutu by Mark Swilling, Eve Annecke and Wilhelm Verwoerd.

The mandate of the commission was to bear witness to, record and in some cases grant amnesty to the perpetrators of crimes relating to human rights violations, reparation and rehabilitation. The perpetrators merely had to confess their crimes and they would be forgiven. This remarkable process of rewarding perpetrators of human rights abuses on all sides of the South African conflict with indemnity against prosecution, in return for a full declaration of the truth, has become a model for similar post-conflict societies elsewhere in the world. Could our Lost 'priest', Desmond, be the key to solving what's going on in the series?

[RichPundit]

Originally Posted by lildutchgirl

I think the main theme of both the play (The Tempest) and the movie (Forbidden Planet) is that of forgiveness and eventually, reconciliation. If it is true that Lost can be compared to these art forms, then I would offer these suggestions:

Many episodes of Lost were tied together by the common thread of forgiveness (or seeking some form of it): Coincidentally, while looking for some of these examples, I came across this article about Desmond Tutu who headed a Commission on Truth and Reconciliation.

Thanx very much for your Shakespearean/Forbidden Planet/Lost insights LilDutchGirl ... you are obviously quite talented including graduate-level literature expertise!

Was surprised at your quick observational conclusion with great examples that "Forgiveness" is the common thread. I was expecting more connection with the characters and context of the Tempest characters with our Lost characters. Also, Forgiveness is foundational for several religions including Christianity ... connection?

I would love to tie some of our Forbidden Science & Technology with your Tempest analyses. Unfortunately, I am unable to connect except to borrow computer time at Ferrum College and a Realtor friend of ours. Our Virginia rental doesn't allow my laptop connection. Will get back soon! Namaste - RichPundit

[RichPundit]

Originally Posted by lildutchgirl

I think the main theme of both the play (The Tempest) and the movie (Forbidden Planet) is that of forgiveness and eventually, reconciliation.

Subject: "Some Key Producer Clues; Some Risky Predictions – RichPundit"

First, Artist DocArzt, who was kind enough to start our Forbidden Planet thread, is of course right that artists dread someone saying that their creation is just like someone else’s creation. SOoo, it naturally pains him when someone says that our Lost creation got its DNA from some other movie, literature, theater, etc..

However, science is science and human behavior repeats in similar contexts … we all know that history repeats itself. So, in mathematical terms, the basic psyche sensing, analyzing, and acting force in Forbidden Planet (1956) may be a necessary, but not sufficient, explanatory theory element of Lost. Also, since Forbidden Planet was inspired by the play "The Tempest" by Shakespeare (b4 1612) the ultimate behaviourist, Tempest characters likely behave similarly to Lost characters including with similar themes such as "Forgiveness" as posted by talented LilDutchGirl in this thread, and repeatedly mentioned last night by our Producers as "Redemption".

Again, our Artist DocArzt is spot-on, but creativity (or innovation) is the combining of two diverse cognitions, and our Lost creators are likely combining Forbidden Planet/Tempest concepts with several other previously unrelated concepts resulting in our brilliant Lost creation that we all both love and hate! In particular, it seems that there are numerous story lines with different characters (e.g., DeGroots versus Hanso) and motivations (e.g., utopia versus gold/power) that make analysis and prediction difficult without more revealed information ... the "mosaic" suggested by our Producers).

Some quick thoughts following last night’s Producer Answers:

Forbidden Planet (The Tempest) – there is a powerful psyche sensing, analyzing, and acting capability on our Island. People are stranded, trying to escape. We have Romantic themes of supernatural, wandering, exploration, discovery, transgression and redemption, loss and retrieval, exile and reunion, plus wealthy and manipulative Bad Dads & Moms (Wikipedia). Plus, "Heroes" as our Producers emphasized.

I believe that this Island capability began in ancient times (4-Toe) beginning with a special meteor combined with volcanic chemistry. This capability evolved and grew, enabling the sensing and capturing of "servants" such as Black Rock’s Evil Captain Magnus Hanso and friends. Dharma and other, perhaps alien, technologies accelerated the Island capability that may have led to the "Incident". Dharma implants also seem to be involved for various purposes such as control (rabbit explosive implant; Claire implant), amplification, shark control, visions, etc.. Also, Locke may have received an implant off-Island as part of Cooper’s kidney con.

This capability also caused our 815 passengers and others to connect, and crash on our Island. Dharma technology may have increased the range of the Island's capability, coupled with easier to sense intense psyches such as Bad Dad (Mom) and Prescient. Island natives may have provided human sacrifice psyche power.

Smokey - Smokey and other manifestations (e.g., Yemi, Vincent?, Horse) are the result of technology that helps our Island connect with psyches, analyze as threat or something else, then act accordingly or not. It is a security system as Rosseau claims when it senses a threat, but also other manifestations as the result of other sensing/analyzing such as Locke’s and Walt’s psyches. Also, the Blast Door map shows several Cerebus Vents (CVs) which may indicate that the Island builds pressure from various psyches, then responds accordingly including as Smokey, maybe the "Incident".

Jacob – our Producers won’t answer whether Jacob is a new or old character. Perhaps Jacob changes according to our Island’s needs to best connect with the best available psyche to execute our Island’s wishes. The Island may have evolved into an Entity, a well-known Sci-Fi concept.

It seems to me that Jacob was trapped in his cabin (Pirate style?), and chose only Ben to execute his wishes for some time period. Jacob clearly was not happy with Ben, then chose to speak to only Locke, "help meee", and then pushed Ben away. Seems that Locke now replaces Ben as the Island’s chosen sole "Oracle".

My strong belief is that our Island’s wishes and choices are related to specific intense psyche genes, both Bad Dad and Prescient, AND genes are activated/deactivated based on intense behaviors such as murder and forgiveness, as well as chemistry and other technology. Think Jacob’s appearance was that of either Magnus or Alvar Hanso.

Time/Not Purgatory – our Producers have repeatedly said that the Island is not Purgatory, but that our Islanders exist: "somewhere on the space-time continuum". Desmond became a time traveler and prescient/precognitive immediately after turning the Swan Station Fail-Safe, so the surge changed him. My guess is that reality is a continuous time loop, "Ouroboros" (Carl Jung: Psyche), which has distinct, set milestones that may have different paths such as when/how Charlie dies, and are governed by the parameters of the Valenzetti Equations which must happen, but repeatedly in a continuous cycle.

Whispers – the Dharma Gemologist, Heavy Water (Blast Door Map), probable "special" meteor, unseen natives/Walt, and mapped underground conduits connected to the underground stations, indicate a large underground community that likely at least mines some material(s). Perhaps the whispers are their voices.

Genes – it is likely that genes are key to our Lost saga, particularly based on illegal organ activity including Locke’s kidney, Bad Dads/Moms, many references to gene therapy, psyche talent, and many other indications. A close friend of mine, "Q", is a UWMadison Biomedical Engineering PhD student visiting this weekend (Lion King) … I’ll get a better gene science understanding from "Q", and if I may, will let you know if any makes some Lost science sense early next week.

Please share your thoughts, and thanx for listening!

Namaste - RichPundit

[RichPundit]

Originally Posted by RichPundit

... the basic psyche sensing, analyzing, and acting force in Forbidden Planet (1956) may be a necessary, but not sufficient, explanatory theory element of Lost. Also, Forbidden Planet was inspired by "The Tempest": characters likely behave similarly to Lost characters ... "Forgiveness" and "Redemption" ... the "mosaic" & "Heroes" suggested by our Producers - RichPundit

In March, our LOST Producers told our buddy DocArzt that we don't have enough information yet for an encompassing, fact-based theory. But, they have also said that last year’s "LOST Experience" is "canon" … it provides related "factoids", and said other significant comments like the jungle-covered Dharma van in which Ben murdered his Bad Dad was intended to show that a road network connected Island locations "25 years ago" (Ben’s since slowed aging?).

So, with these and other Producer/Writer facts, plus each deconstructed episode, Lostpedia, Wikipedia, Google, other sources, and our insightful TailSection Kibbutz, I think we can logically speculate and create possible LOST theories, perhaps even "the" theory. It will be much fun either way … we do have 9 months, and my guess is that our talented LOST creators may incorporate some of our creations into theirs too which would be very cool!

I would like to continue weaving "a" LOST theory with our, imho, robust Forbidden Planet (Tempest) thread with the critical and important role of genes and the related science and technology. Here’s "Genes (Part 1)" that summarizes and weaves my belief that there exists an underground behaviourist BFSkinner-type: "Utopia" or Commune that enjoys the pleasures and benefits of our Forbidden Planet-like psyche sensing, analyzing, and acting capability (meteor/volcano) enhanced with technology related to specific genes, and perhaps related implants (Hydra station; Locke; Claire).

Also in several days, if I may, I plan to Post on this thread: "Genes (Part 2)" that summarizes and weaves my belief that behaviourist Carl Jung’s "Ouroboros Psyche Theory" weaves well, and helps to explain our themes of Redemption/Forgiveness (Producers/Shakespeare’s Tempest), perhaps as well as time travel, déjà vu, Ben really not lying, dreams, precognitions/prescience, and perhaps Jack’s post-Island behavior. "Genes (Part 3)" may connect our generational characters including Black Rock Captain Magnus Hanso and everyone else, and "Genes (Part 4)" may summarize current gene science & technologies including perhaps why some odd observed LOST behaviours and events. Whew!

Dharma. Our LOST saga is rooted in the US/Soviet Union/Brazil/UN project resulting from the Cuban Missile crisis resulting in the Valenzetti Equation and subsequently Alvar Hanso/DeGroot’s Dharma Initiative. My guess is that CIA-connected Alvar Hanso was already aware of our Island via secret codes in the Black Rock’s manifest, and was actively researching its location, discovered it thru old shipping routes and new sensing technologies such as satellites, and was partnering with other genetically connected families. Both Island treasure and special healing/life extension properties were their driving motivations.

BF Skinner/Utopia ("Others"). The DeGroots were openly strongly rooted in the theories and practices of behaviorist BF Skinner (1904-1990), who is also mentioned in the Swan Orientation film. Skinner was a passionate advocate of behaviour as a function of reinforcement, particularly "Operant Conditioning" (e.g., Hydra Room 23, Button Pushing, Tube Reports). He and the DeGroots were also passionate advocates of "Utopia Social Engineering". Skinner wrote books citing his principles that "the only way to change humans was to change the environment" (NB: Valenzetti), and "true freedom and free will do not exist" together, so social controls need to be hidden.

Some Skinner Utopia characteristics include:

• Non-democratic (Ben)
• Collective ownership (all work, no special individual benefits, share everything)
• Children raised collectively under rigorous ethical training away from parents (Take kids for "operant conditioning")
• Planners/Managers unelected (Sheriff, Blough, Richard, Mikail)
• Community Psychologists (unidentified Dharma station)
• High birth rate
• Eugenics or selective breeding/genetic manipulation
• Self-control is key expected behaviour
• Hire mercenaries to fight & die with their undesirable gene pool ("Others")
• Long, healthy life
• Actively manage nature/nurture evolution

John Locke’s Commune. In "Futher Instructions" Locke belonged to a Commune similar to Skinner's Utopia ... where members were "looking for a Daddy". It had a sweat lodge for everyone for visions/guidance as John built on Ecko's Island church plot and perhaps Jacob's cabin. Commune Leaders Mike and Jan showed explosive lack of self-control after police discovery, perhaps like "Others" desiring but not achieving Utopia. I believe this Commune was one of Locke's tests that resulted in him receiving an implant during Cooper's kidney con and becoming an 815er.

Underground Utopia. My belief is that there is a large, underground Utopia that enjoys most of the pleasures and benefits of the Island psyche capability (ancient meteor, plus volcano) as determined by their individual genes. Perhaps the source of our "Whispers". The environment including thru technology, can change genes, even selectively. The kids are here, the stations have connecting "subterranean conduits" (Blast Door map) that perhaps the Utopians blocked from really Bad Others, and the Others are reliving cycles of Forgiveness/Redemption to enter Utopia … they are "the good ones".

Whew! As always, thanx for listening, and if I may, I’ll Post "Genes (Part 2)" within about a week. Please share your thoughts!

Namaste - RichPundit

[RichPundit]

Originally Posted by RichPundit

... Dharma. Our LOST saga is rooted in the US/Soviet Union/Brazil/UN project, resulting from the Cuban Missile crisis, resulting in the Valenzetti Equation, and subsequently Alvar Hanso/DeGroot’s Dharma Initiative.


BF Skinner/Utopia ("Others"). The DeGroots were rooted in BF Skinner: passionate advocates of "Operant Conditioning" and "Utopia Social Engineering".

John Locke’s Commune. ... desiring but not achieving Utopia.


Underground Utopia. underground Utopia enjoys pleasures and benefits of the Island psyche capability ... by their individual genes. - RichPundit

"A" timeline of LOST events:

1. Ancient meteor with volcano forms Island
2. Island evolves our Forbidden Planet-type psyche capability
3. Island/Entity capability evolves (aliens) thru Natives including new captives
4. Island capability evolves into powerful psyche sensing, analyzing, acting capability
5. Psyche capability is strongly related to genes
6. Black Rock learns of Island and actively seeks it
7. Captain Magnus Hanso leaves secret coded message in Manifest
8. Black Rock captured by our Island
9. Grandfather Alvar Hanso discovers secret message
10. Alvar actively seeks, then finds Island
11. Cuban missle crisis: UN/US/Soviet/Brazil project: Valenzetti Equation
12. CIA/UN-connected Alvar Hanso innovates Dharma with DeGroots as a solution
13. Dharma discovers and links with Natives and special meteor/Entity
14. Dharma construct underground stations using Utopia principles
15. Bad Hanso family line and "partners" learn of Island's Treasure/Capability
16. Bad Hanso+ pretends partnership, but secretly construct secret Staff station vault room and White Rabbit/Looking Glass, and other stuff
17. Richard is a Black Rock, now Native as Dharma liason
18. Bad Hanso+ violently attacks Dharma/Natives, many go underground
19. Bad Hanso+ loses initial battle, and regroups for war for Island plunder
20. Underground Utopia blocks Dharma underground network from Bad Hanso+
21. Remaining "Others", controlled by Natives, create numbers technology that shield Island from Bad Hanso+ using Utopia principles.
22. Bad Hanso+ researches and develops gene technology with ruthless other island experiments, to better leverage our LOST Island special psyche capabilities for their benefit
23. Desmond's Fail Safe allows Bad Hanso+ to locate island again with Naomi
24. Losties merge with Ben's Others for Bad Hanso+ war
25. Losties sometimes win, sometimes lose
26. Jack off-Island rabidly wants to decide differently and win

My Puppy is sick so no hike this morning ... had extra time for this brain dump. Think several facts fit, but needs more work.

Tx for your time and thoughts.

Namaste - RichPundit

[Bridger]

Originally Posted by RichPundit

Time/Not Purgatory – our Producers have repeatedly said that the Island is not Purgatory, but that our Islanders exist: "somewhere on the space-time continuum". Desmond became a time traveler and prescient/precognitive immediately after turning the Swan Station Fail-Safe, so the surge changed him. My guess is that reality is a continuous time loop, "Ouroboros" (Carl Jung: Psyche), which has distinct, set milestones that may have different paths such as when/how Charlie dies, and are governed by the parameters of the Valenzetti Equations which must happen, but repeatedly in a continuous cycle.

Ive been reading this thread with a lot of interest as i also have my own theories (as everyone does!!) but mine are based on predominantly the whereabouts of the island and how the events are unfolding rather than the history of the island and why the events are unfolding. So because the ideas don't clash, i thought i'd post my thoughts on here and see if anything sounds good! The ideas have probably been discussed before but probably seperately....

Basically, as you have said, this island has extremely mystical properties (not ageing, not dying, people healing etc) and it would stand to reason that those who discovered it may want to hide it? well i would until i understood it! Anyway, there are actually 2 bermuda triangle related phenomena on the planet, the other being called the Formosa triangle (Devil's Sea) and this is in the stretch of sea abouve Guam and below Tokyo. Very conceivably where the losties could have ended up after a 1,000 mile detour. It is also very near the co-ordinates of the numbers of the valenzetti equations if you plotted them on a map. Basically, if i wanted to hide an island it would definately be in an erea of paranormal activity where compasses etc malfunctioned and people couldn't find it!

Leading me onto the next part of my theory. As you have said, there seems to be a relationship between people with bad dads and the island. So what if this is a repeated relationship, recurring if you will. When Jack spoke on the radio phone, the guy who replied called himself Minkowski. Hermann Minkowski is the creator of the theory Minkowski Space or 'Flat Spacetime', in which the 3 ordinary dimensions of space are combined with a single dimension of time. I don't pretend to be some super-bod who understands it all, but from what i can glean from wikipedia, these aspects can be broken down. Once broken down you get future directed and past directed timelike vectors which is possibly what desmond can see alond with future and past directed null vectors leading to causality relations. Basically if future directed vectors are timelike then you could say x chronologically precedes y, but if it was null then you can say x casually precedes y. This explains why desmond could stop charlie from dying, as he was only seeing a possible future, based on casually preceding time.

So time and space are being seperated and i believe that the losties, without knowing it, have been on the island before (at least some of them) maybe due to the island and their bad dads. This is pure speculation on my part but it fits for me that locke is jacob (maybe why ben said he could see him and locke couldn't is because if a previous incarnation of yourself is on the island you cannot see it). Charlie may have been there before, as Bonnie/Greta (cant remember which) told him a musician programmed the code for the jammer and he nailed it first time suggesting that's what he would have done first time round. I think one of the guys working with penny bares an uncanny resemblence to jack, and considering they're trying to find the island it could make sense he's an older jack.

Anyway, pure speculation but, as it fitted in nicely with your stuff and the don't contradict eachother, i thought i'd let you know my findings. If people are going to tear me apart, be nice!

[RichPundit]

Originally Posted by Bridger

Ive been reading this thread with a lot of interest ... my own theories on the whereabouts of the island and how the events are unfolding.

the Formosa triangle (Devil's Sea) above Guam and below Tokyo ... this is a repeated relationship, recurring if you will ... the theory Minkowski Space or 'Flat Spacetime', in which the 3 ordinary dimensions of space are combined with a single dimension of time ... you get future directed and past directed timelike vectors ... Anyway, pure speculation but, as it fitted in nicely !

We all really, really appreciate you weaving in your insights Bridger ... they absolutely fit well and are much fun!

Would like to add that the Black Rock with Magnus Hanso genes, and perhaps other Island relevant genes, surprisingly sailed east from Papua with gold in 1881 ... very near your "Formosa Triangle".

Also, am with you and your linearly (vector) collapsed time-space continuum ... fits well with the Ouroboros brooch, an ancient concept, of our prescient Mrs. Hawkings. Also it does seem that travel happens linearly in time. We have not seen much, if any, space travel at constant time ... hmm, maybe Desmond traveled both, then returned naked.

Perhaps, LOST may be closer to the "Ouroboros Psyche" theory of behaviourist Carl Jung who really wanted 2b an Archaeologist.

fyi. Forbes just published in their June 18th issue a cool article on genes that may apply to our thread ... btw, since today is June 5th, we are all prescient.

Namaste - RichPundit

[RichPundit]

[/quote] ... the Black Rock with Magnus Hanso genes surprisingly sailed east from Papua with gold in 1881 ... very near your "Formosa Triangle". Also, am with you and your linearly (vector) collapsed time-space continuum ... the "Ouroboros Psyche" theory of behaviourist Carl Jung. ... Forbes published June 18th article on genes ... our thread ... since today is June 5th, we are all prescient. [quote=RichPundit;317573]

"More Formosa Triangle/Dharma Geometry and Gene Weaver - RichPundit"

If I may, I would like to share some of my recent LOST homework:

Formosa Triangle. as "Bridger" recently posted on this thread, many members of our TailSection kibbutz are focused on the location of our Island. As noted, the Formosa Triangle location fits well with the Black Rock and our 815ers strandings, and others like Desmond and Rousseau. Our Producers have revealed that "Island strandings" are "global" and "caused" by the "same" "universal thing".

Twelve Island Portals. there are 12 "Vile Vortices" (Wiki) about equally spread around the globe. Perhaps our Island location is outside common coordinates, and can be reached through one or more of these portals.

As examples, the Bermuda Triangle fits Ponce de Leon and other Fountain of Youth/Healing rabid quests based on ancient tales. In 1881, perhaps the Black Rock was on the same quest near the Formosa Triangle, and Magnus Hanso left a secretly coded Manifest discovered by Great Grandson Alvar Hanso. Our 4-Toe statue builders may be from the Mediterranean "Vile Vortice", Arctic Polar Bears, the purpose of the Antarctica Portuguese (Brazil) listening post location, Yemi's Nigerian plane, as well as the large pile of other Greek, Egyptian, and Latin evidence, and much Dharma India evidence. The 12 portals may lead to our Island, and help explain why there are so many multi-lingual characters including Hanso employees, several Losties, Bea Klugh, Patchy, and Naomi ... most may be genetically connected to Island natives, hence tuned to our Island/Entity capability, perhaps for a very loong time.

• Wild Earth/Island/Dharma Geometry. In 1973, Soviet scientists published a detailed technical article entitled: "Is the Earth a large Crystal?". They mathematically proposed that the earth was constructed of 12 pentagonal (5-sided) faces [Vile Vortices] forming a "matrix of cosmic energy". One such possible shape is a "hexagonal prism" which has as its center a hexagon similar to our Dharma logo, from which two prisms (above/below) focus out! Also, a hexagon results after the shared side of joined pentagons is removed, e.g., energy released. Sounds like feng shui for "environmental harmony", literally meaning "wind-water" which are clearly indicated on a Rousseau Island map.
• Gene Weave. imho, our Island/Entity initially formed its Forbidden Planet-like psyche sensing, analyzing, and acting capability with an ancient special meteor crash, which then cooked in a volcano, hence the large mapped crater and volcanic mountains/rocks. This capability evolved and grew over several millennium thru the interaction between generations of native/captive genes and the special meteor environment with strong electromagnetic properties (nature+nuture). Importantly, this capability was increasingly tuned to specific genes at various degrees as evolved thru many native generations ... those most tuned, were the most surviving. It powerfully evolved such that both the conscious and unconscious psyches of individuals with specially tuned genes were independently sensed, analyzed, and then acted to fulfill any desire including long life and health.

• Bad Dads. A gene focus helps to explain our strong family connections. imho, "a" possible plotline is that while Alvar is really "one of the good ones", a bad Hanso discovered our valuable Island capability via Alvar, infiltrated and controlled the good DeGroot/Alvar Dharma Initiative (e.g. hiding secret Staff vault room/Looking Glass sub from inspectors). Bad Hanso genes partnered with other powerful bad family genes, e.g., Paik, Widmore. This resulted in the ageless Natives (e.g., Richard Alpert) patiently executing the "Purge" of Dharma allied with some select Dharmas, and initiating the Swan cloaking technology and blocking the station tunnels against Bad Hanso+ aggressors.
• • Gene Evolution. The Wall Street Journal 6/8 recently reported about observed rapid gene evolution based on "the molecular mechanics of survival". "Any cell that had developed a protective mutation to defend itself ... survived, passing on its special trait to descendants". Targeted genes can be identified, and either enabled or disabled in a particular cell/entity.
  • Gene Speed Read. As I posted last week, Forbes 6/18 has a cover story about speed reading targeted genes by separating individuals into two groups, with and without a specific trait, then quickly comparing them to discover which single DNA letter (gene molecule) causes their targeted trait.
  • Gene Therapy. There is much current gene science and technology with which to identify specific genes that express unique traits, and then can be either enabled or disabled thru gene therapy. I'll post some technical details in the near future, if you are interested.

"A" reasonable LOST plotline based on our current "factoids" is that the bad Hanso+ partners are violently seeking to steal the Island capability for themselves, particularly for long life/healing and Forbidden Planet-like psyche power capability, by identifying which genes are most strongly tuned to our Island/Entity, and then rabidly developing the technology to enable these genes in their own personal genomes. Perhaps, the targeted genes are found in kids with Bad Dads who have inherited bad dad genes, but also have complementary genes to offset, even leverage.

Whew, as always, thanx for listening, and please share your thoughts!

fyi. My Puppy made two hospital visits ... she's healthy and crazy again, so we're aligned.
[Sorry for my inept formatting!]

Namaste - RichPundit

Just thought I'd quickly add to Bridger's comment theorizing that Charlie may have programmed the code originally: Charlie's middle name, Heironymus, links him with the mysterious musician "Geronimo" Jackson. Maybe there are more characters with previous incarnations on the island?

[sweetleaf420]

Since the very first episode I've thought that there was a link to the Forbidden Planet and heres why.... When the monster shows up knocking down trees it has the exact sound horns etc... as that of the manifested ID monster of Morbius in Forbidden Planet. I posted that thought multiple times in S1 and no one would listen or even comment check it out...