Rich Pundit's Forbidden Planet Theory

[RichPundit]

Originally Posted by RichPundit

This is crude at this stage, but it seems that many, if not all, of our Island captives have Bad Dad's who have direct involvement with our Island, and that they actively, directly involve their kids!
Quick examples. AND, perhaps even Bad Dad Magnus Hanso led to his son's direct involvement ... very cool if true! - RichPundit

BadDad Families. am feeling good about this thread build: perhaps for generations, our Island's ancient energy/technology, perhaps evolved now into an entity, has sensed (located), analyzed, and acted on strong Bad Dad psyches. SOooo, to help medicate my Lost obsession, after dinner with my wife and friends, was up most of the night doing homework via Lostpedia, and for the first time, thru our Tail Section Lost Experience.

Wow, piles of facts that, using our above thread build, think can be a solid storyline: 4-Toe, Black Rock Magnus/gold, grandson Alvar Hanso (CIA, weapons technology, UN, Valenzetti, $rich$), Blast Door Map, and in particular, genetic research/technology. I'll add some detail, and Post later this afternoon.

NYTimes Wright. Robert Wright, in yesterday's NYTimes, wrote about the newly discovered Earth-Like planet Gliese 581c, and connected it to the survival of the human race, even perhaps alien races. His insight is that an alien race, certainly only a few 100 years more advanced than us and only 20 light-years away, would easily be capable of contacting us ... why haven't they?? They perished due to a natural "Evolution Reset" caused by environmental or human factors (or their combination) such as resulting from an asteroid, conflict (war, terrorism), technology, genetics, and/or global warming. Wright's stunning conclusion is that "space aliens are likely to be reasonable"! Sounds like our Island, particularly Valenzetti-related to me!

Will follow-up Post this afternoon. Please enjoy all that you do ... Namaste - RichPundit

[RichPundit]

Originally Posted by RichPundit

BadDad Families - am feeling good about this thread build: perhaps for generations, our evolving Island's ancient energy/technology, perhaps now an entity, has sensed (located), analyzed, and acted on violent Bad Dad and other intense psyches (e.g., prescient) to survive! Namaste - RichPundit

I continue to do much Lost homework. Whew, have many thoughts ... AND, still have much more homework! Please, let's together "Open Innovate" our Forbidden Planet thread: "Live Together, or Die Alone!".

Island Hostiles/Captives. Am thinking that perhaps our Island has been evolving and maintained by natives and captives for many generations, sort of as Island-commanded servants. The most recent generation may have weakened (e.g., disease, volcano), perhaps to extinction, or the Island simply demanded more. The constantly evolving, increasingly more powerful, ancient Island/Technology, perhaps Entity, was approaching unsustainablility. Our Island needed a new servant supply to survive.

Think this is an example of NYTimes Wright's "Evolution Reset" as I posted yesterday. The Island acts reasonably by sensing (locating), analyzing, and acting to obtain new servants. The Island seems to be adjusting its own Valenzetti-like equation to survive!

Bad Dad/Prescient Genes. Our Island's sensing, analyzing, and acting capability likely weakens with distance. SOooo, it first targets intense psyches such as violent, Bad Dads like Magnus Hanso and his evil friends in 1881. The Black Rock was in nearby Papua New Guinea, and carried gold and Swedish dynamite.

Two interesting related odd "facts". First, Captain Hanso left his Manifest, perhaps with coded info about his gold and our Island that he somehow learned, perhaps from legends involving incredible Island healing or "Fountain of Youth". Second, he headed east rather than his planned west route. Also, grandson Alvar Hanso was actively orchestrating a new "Quarrantine" ship, Sun's Bad Dad's "Helgus Antonius", while researching old shipping routes ... HMmmm.

Perhaps our Island enticed Magnus and his evil friends to sail towards our Island, and used it's unique electromagnetic power to muddle compasses and attract the metal gold. Also interesting, according to the Blast Door map, Magnus was buried ... the slaves were not. Grandson Alvar Hanso? Plus, the Black Rock is located at the most intense electromagnetic site, and the hull is opened, perhaps for gold removal. The Island visit confirmed unique and valuable capabilities, leading to more "projects", perhaps Dharma.

Have more to connect to our thread: Bad Dads directly working with the Island and actively involving their kids (i.e., generations). Plus, the Hanso/Mittlewerk gene work, the UN, Valenzetti, Dharma, and perhaps the related "Incident" and "Purge".

Please enjoy ... Namaste - RichPundit

[RichPundit]

Originally Posted by RichPundit

NYTimes Robert Wright's "Evolution Reset". The Island acts reasonably ... seems to be adjusting its own Valenzetti-like equation to survive! Our Island's sensing, analyzing, and acting capability likely weakens with distance, therefore, naturally targets intense psyches - RichPundit

Hydrogen Power. How is the Island powered? More interestingly for our Forbidden Planet thread, how are psyches powered, both intentionally and not. The psyche "Monsters of the Id!" must be incredible as evidenced by the underground bunker stations that are heavy vaults, even the separate secret Staff room, obviously as protection. Also why the "EEP" or "Emergency Escape Protocols" involving "subterranean conduits".

Perhaps the Island has capability to act on hydrogen atoms resulting in nuclear and other energy. Related support includes:

• hydrogen is the lightest element, thus easier to act upon
• most abundant in the universe, so readily available (e.g., water) and an alien race would have knowledge
• hydrogen powers stars thru fusion
• ground state energy is equivalent to an ultraviolet photon (near purple), and small energy changes cause spectral effects (fail safe key)
• deuterium is a simple isotope of hydrogen (+1 neutron)
• deuterium is used for fusion nuclear power
• Water made with deuterium is called "heavy water", and the Blast Door map indicates heavy water
• heavy water causes sterility and sickness in humans

Locke & Others No Kill/Cognitive Dissonance. The year after Forbidden Planet was released (1956), Festinger published his extraordinary behavioral theory called "Cognitive Dissonance" (CD). CD is widely applied today, particularly in marketing and advertising. CD says that when two conflicting thoughts or cognitions co-exist, it will cause the individual to reduce the conflict or dissonance, frequently thru fantasy.

Perhaps when the Island/Technology (Entity) senses two cognitions, analyzes them to be in conflict, reasonably acts to reduce the conflict. Perhaps why the Others can't kill and Locke can't kill his Bad Dad Cooper, is to avoid the Island/Technology (Entity) sensing the CD between "we're the good guys" and murder, that may result in an unintentional disasterous act by the Island - RichPundit

[lildutchgirl]

Hi Rich Pundit:

I've found your theory thread very interesting. I'm sure you've heard that the movie Forbidden Planet was loosely based on Shakespeare's play, The Tempest.

Forbidden Planet - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Do you think that some of the themes of the Tempest (see list below) might help explain similar plotlines in the Lost series?

the illusion of justice
the difficulty of distinguishing men from monsters
the allure of ruling a colony
usurpation (the overthrow of a leader)
imprisonment and freedom
forgiveness and reconciliation
illusion and magic
sleep and dreams
change and transformation
relationships and love throughout the story

Dutch

[RichPundit]

Originally Posted by lildutchgirl

Hi Rich Pundit:

Forbidden Planet: Shakespeare's play, The Tempest.

the illusion of justice
the difficulty of distinguishing men from monsters
the allure of ruling a colony
usurpation (the overthrow of a leader)
imprisonment and freedom
forgiveness and reconciliation
illusion and magic
sleep and dreams
change and transformation
relationships and love throughout the story - Dutch

Dearest Dutch:

think you are adding well to our thread! I particularly enjoy your literature/behavioral thoughts complementing our science. Tx very much, and please continue to expand including examples. Namaste - RichPundit

[Whitey_14]

Regarding the gold require dby the island. Werent the others makign sawyer and kate dig for minerals or other material. Has anyone got any idea what they were after? perhaps this was required too by the island.

Also, concerning the subconcious acts which are carried out unknowingly, are you suggesting that the smokies are the subconcious acts of the others and perhaps they know there is some kind of threat which is why they do not murder themselves. This would explain why Juliette didnt seem to know what it was and asked Kate what it was.

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[RichPundit]

Originally Posted by Whitey_14

Regarding the gold require dby the island. Werent the others makign sawyer and kate dig for minerals or other material. Has anyone got any idea what they were after? perhaps this was required too by the island.
subconcious acts which are carried out unknowingly ... the "Others" and perhaps they know there is some kind of threat which is why they do not murder themselves.?

HMmmm Whitey_14 ... good insights!

SKate Dig. I had thought that was like a government program to keep everyone busy with no real purpose for the actual digging. However, I remember Sawyer, also maybe Kate, seriously angry about doing all that work. SOoo, Skate may have done more than we know grunt digging and rock removal. Plus as you mentioned, perhaps the metal gold in the Black Rock was grabbed and pulled by our Island to its most intense electromagnetic area, perhaps where an ancient and very special meteor crashed.

Perhaps some kids and other Island natives/captives are mining for something underground, "subterranean conduits", as commanded by the Island for several generations. Think mining for meteor fragments to enable/power the Island capability makes sense.

Also, since observing behavior and resulting selection lists seems to be an Island focus, perhaps Skate were being evaluated as servant miners for the Island.

Subconscious Acts. Think that the Island/Technology, maybe Entity, capability for psyche sensing, analyzing, and acting extends beyond the "Others" to everyone, even subconsciously. And, the capability varies among all indivduals with walking Locke and Ben clearly more strongly connected.

Also, think that the "Others" don't murder to avoid that intense evil psyche cognitions that may be sensed and analyzed, with resulting horrible action that everyone reasonably fears. Somehow Locke knows this, and "can't kill" his Bad Dad Cooper - RichPundit

[Whitey_14]

i mentioned on another post that the others arent kiling people, and that the only murders i could think of where for example at the beach, when ethan came in from the water, (didnt see it happen) and Ethan hanging Charlie (didnt see it happen, and he didnt die).

but someone said that goodwin killed the guy in the tailies hole. is this correc? i thought that he just pulled him out and later they found the body. which would again suggest that he might not have actually done it.

Also have you noticed that every time smokie judges someone there are bright red flowers in the vacinity. i noticed this at eko's and hurley's judgements. does this link to the film you were talking about or help with any other theories?

[lildutchgirl]

In western countries, red flowers (particularly roses) are a symbol of romantic love. In Central America, however, red flowers are associated with evil spirits. Very appropriate for times when Smokey appears, don't you think?

[RichPundit]

Originally Posted by lildutchgirl

In western countries, red flowers (particularly roses) are a symbol of romantic love. In Central America, however, red flowers are associated with evil spirits. Very appropriate for times when Smokey appears, don't you think?

Red ==> Purple Sky?: HMmmm Dutch Treat, in some cultures Red means Evil? Sir Issac Newton in the late 1600's innovated a circular color wheel which showed Purple between Red and Violet, because Purple is not a single wavelength like Red or Violet, it must be mixed from other colors. Most likely a very looong shot, but I wonder if somehow Desmond's turning of the Swan FailSafe key caused "Evil" Red color to somehow mix with Violet when the numbers weren't entered in 108 minutes, resulting in our Island's Purple Sky.

Shakespeare's Tempest. Please weave Tempest idea with examples using our Forbidden Planet thread ... am anxiously interested. I've quick read a few Tempest synopses, and I agree with you that it fits well. Shakespeare is the ultimate Behaviourist, and may help explain the seemingly bizarre Island related behaviors we have observed - RichPundit