My epic Jacob theory

[sugarnuts]

Okay i want to start off by saying i was looking on the boards this morning and on my Compass thread we were posting about paradox's. I was getting the feeling that the writers just slipped on their promise to completely avoid paradox's. Then i started thinking about the new paradox introduced last night: the one where Locke basicly tells himself what he has to do. Which is a blatant paradox if there ever was one. He can't know what he has to do, unless he tells himself in the future.

So im basing my theory in the same guidelines.

Also lostinva mentioned the brilliant idea 'What if Alpert had no idea who the hell John Locke was talking about when John said "Jacob sent me"? So my theory is based on the fact that 1. someone from the future can influence the past (Paradox's dont matter) as evidenced by Locke helping himself, Sayid shooting Ben, Daniels life/death. and 2. that maybe, just maybe, Alpert didn't know who jacob was in 1954.

Im gonna apologize up front for this sh** being so long and dont blame you if you dont read it

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What if John Locke is the reason everyone thinks there is a man named Jacob, when in fact there isn't?

Let me explain, in 'Jughead', Locke speaks to Alpert chronologicaly for the first time, in 1954, and when he waltz's into camp he tells Richard "Jacob sent me."
Heres the twist. What if Alpert DOESN'T know who Jacob is, what if Alpert doesn't recognize that name whatsoever. Everybody's just been assuming this whole time that Alpert knew about Jacob in 1954, when in fact he didn't exist.

Alpert does react he commands widmore to back off and even smacks the gun out of his hands so John and him can have a little chat. It still makes sense he'd want to to talk to this man who just came out of no where and said who he was sent by a man no one's ever heard about. And during that conversation Locke vanishes into thin air (remember he time-jumped and was all like 'you have to tell me how to get off the island richard' than zap)

After Locke disappears, what is Richard thinking? That there is a man named Jacob who SENT SOMEONE BACK IN TIME TO TALK TO ME, Holy ****, i've gotta find this guy. I wanna worship him. Alpert goes through his whole life believing that there is a man named Jacob, searching for someone special who might be able to talk to him.

Little Ben runs into Alpert in the forest when he's really young remember? What does little Ben tell Alpert? That he can see his mother even though she's not there, even though she died giving birth to him.

Whoa. You know what Alperts thinking right now. He thinks he found a way to communicate with Jacob. Ben joins the others in the purge 30 years later and from then on he's led them, manipulating them into believing he's actually communicating with this being, Jacob. And you know what? i think Ben actually does recognize that there is this entity, he can sense it, but it doesn't communicate with him.

'I thought you said Jacob doesn't exist!'

I know, i know, hang with me, i promise this will make sense. Keep in mind how how John Locke was able to influence the past (the scene where he gave himself instructions). Also keep in mind the purge takes place AFTER the incident.

Which, i think, is whats gonna create Jacob.

Remember when Desmond turned the failsafe key and the hatch imploded on him, yet he managed to not only survive, but see the future?

Well what do you think is gonna happen when Jack blows up a ****ing hydrogen bomb, next to the 'pocket of energy' that is supposed to cause the incident. He will be like Dr. Mannhattan from the watchmen, completely ripped apart and yet still an existing......thing.

Ben will go on pretending he can communicate with Jack/Jacob and eventually bring Locke to see him. Bens knows theres something there, but he cant communicate with it. Locke, however, can. How? im not sure, but Jack tells Locke 'Help me'. He knows he ****ed up by deciding to blow up the bomb, and that if Locke could just.....convince him to believe, locke can prevent everything from happening. But whatever happened, happened, and Locke will comtinue to do what he's always done. Jack will call the freighter. Jack will get everyone to leave the island with him. Jack will come back to the island still slightly hungover from his binge trip, Jack will blow up Jughead.

So if you actually managed to read that whole thing, What do you think?

[willod1]

Your theory makes a lot of sense. Personally, I'm not sure if I WANT it to happen that way, but I can't think of anything that would prevent it (assuming paradox's can exist). Hmmm. It does make the rest of the characters moot. The whole story is just a loop between Jack and Locke and to some degree, Ben? Maybe we're watching the one loop that changes something. I guess this theory would just be one piece - we still have Widmoore, the history of the island, the smoke monster, richard alpert always being there, never againg, etc. to figure out.

How do you spell the plural of paradox? Paradoxs, Paradoxes, Paradoxi, Paradoxen..... I'll have to look it up...

[sugarnuts]

Your theory makes a lot of sense. Personally, I'm not sure if I WANT it to happen that way, but I can't think of anything that would prevent it (assuming paradox's can exist). Hmmm. It does make the rest of the characters moot. The whole story is just a loop between Jack and Locke and to some degree, Ben? Maybe we're watching the one loop that changes something. I guess this theory would just be one piece - we still have Widmoore, the history of the island, the smoke monster, richard alpert always being there, never againg, etc. to figure out.

How do you spell the plural of paradox? Paradoxs, Paradoxes, Paradoxi, Paradoxen..... I'll have to look it up...

Yeah man this is all about jacob. It doesn't explain smokey, Alpert, or any other mystery. Im not sure how it would fit into the overall mythology of Lost either. Its just a piece of the puzzle.

I disagree though that it would make the rest of the characters moot, i think they all played very important roles that led the show up to this point and they will until the end of the series.
and i have no idea what the plural of paradox is

[coolriver]

That would certainly be an interesting way to go. Some of the message boards have been circulating the name of a certain actor to play the role of Jacob... Mark Pelligrino. I googled his images and that may rule out either Jack or Locke being Jacob. It also rules out Christian. I hope they reveal Jacob in the finale.

[touzoku]

Dude... I like it! I need to think about it when I'm not buzzed.

[sugarnuts]

haha no dude its probably easier to read tipsy, I was pretty stoned when i thought of it. I credit my theory to my bud.

I was writing an email to my buddy about lost and as i was typing i was thinking about what lostinva said about 'what if Alpert didn't know who jacob was in 1954' and it just rolled out of me. i thought it was pretty good, so i thought i'd revise it and post it up here.

[Lurcher]

Originally Posted by sugarnuts

haha no dude its probably easier to read tipsy, I was pretty stoned when i thought of it. I credit my theory to my bud. .

Haha I credit this answer to mine...

As Darlton cheerfully admit that fan theories are largely better than what they have planned, I'd like to put my theory forward that Richard DID know the name Jacob in 1954, but not as his leader.

So our Jack takes the core of the hydrogen bomb over to the swan site, and after a tussle with a couple of Dharma operatives (but not too many as Radzinsky has just conveniently called them all away to attack the hostiles using his new map), He, Sayid and Eloise go down the hole where the energy is about to be released and set up the device. Someone has to stay behind to set it off- my money's on Sayid, but we could have a creepy Alpert moment (''I'll do it... as I'm already dead'' cut to Richard in the future being worried that he's not the only dead man walking on the island any more)..

As we get the soaring 'self-sacrifice' music, and the unfortunate person is about to set the bomb off, a lowly Dharma operative named Jacob is revealed to be working in the tunnel beneath the energy pocket. Everything goes white and we cut to...

Jacob, alone in the jungle and naked. He runs toward the sound of shouting and stumbles upon a big ship in the middle of the forest. The people on board have just gone to look around the jungle as an island has just exploded into existance beneath them. He can still hear someone calling out, and breaks into the hold to see whats happening (and if he can get some clothes) whereupon he finds Richard, chained up and the only surviving slave

''Ooh'' say's Richard ''all the other slaves were shaken to death as this bright light came up from beneath us, and as I was the only living person in the bottom of the ship it all absorbed into me''
''What a complete bummer that must be, my name's Jacob- I'll cut you down if ya find us some pants''
''Alright, sounds like a plan but hurry up cos Captain Hanso's coming back in a minute, and I suddenly feel like I can live forever''
''Lucky you, I feel a bit out of sorts as well...''

Flash

Jacob wakes up elsewhere in time, and discovers that he has been split into two parts- his physical body and his soul, which needs to be protected from the smoke monster by way of a circle of magnetic dust (of opposing magnetism to the dust of the monster to push it away). He needs a way to die without smokey taking his soul, and leaves the island in his physical form so he can influence the events that will lead to someone (John) coming to the island who is able to kill him. Paradoxically, of course, also influencing events that will lead to the incident in the first place

[sugarnuts]

very nice lurcher, isn't if funny how much easier it s to think this sh*t up with a little bit of bud?

I like your theory. I stood by the theory that jacob is his own character for a long time. I also liked the idea that he was Hanso or one of Jack's relative's. But in light of recent events, im starting to feel like the Jack=Jacob theory is gonna work out. I think you may be on the right track though, about Sayid. it does seem like he's being set up for the heroic ending, like Bruce Willis in Armageddon

When i first started reading your theory, i thought i knew where you were going with it, but you steered into Sayid setting off the bomb, or maybe Alpert.

This is what i was thinking after i read this. Im pretty stoned right now too, so if your wondering where this idea's coming from.......yeah. But here:

So our Jack takes the core of the hydrogen bomb over to the swan site, and after a tussle with a couple of Dharma operatives (but not too many as Radzinsky has just conveniently called them all away to attack the hostiles using his new [COLOR=blue! important][COLOR=blue! important]map[/color][/color]), He, Sayid and Eloise go down the hole where the energy is about to be released and set up the device. Someone has to stay behind to set it off-

Jack stays behind to set off the bomb. But while he's in the process of doing it, the pocket of energy is released and the incident happens. The incident throws Jack back in time (everyone else is safe in the temple or something) way back to ancient island times. The bomb ends up going off anyway, transforming Jack into Jacob, messing up the island and leveling the statue in the process. Jack is stuck in that timeline, all kinds of f*cked up, but still alive. Then he starts to catch up with the timeline we recognize, only he's recognized and worshipped as this mystcal entity, Jacob.

haha so thats where i thought you were goin, but you took the new character angle.

Anyway, i like your theory, especially how it would kind of explain everything happened. Even though i would be kind of disappointed if it was all just so that Locke could off a guy and put him out of his misery. I wouldn't mind if Jacob was introduced as his own character though, but being a lost junkie, im always hoping for the biggest mindf*ck possible haha.

[Lurcher]

Maybe it's Jacks mind in a different body?!

[Lurcher]

Oh, as well as believing Jacob is a new character I also believe his surname will be 'Hume'