Rich Pundit's Forbidden Planet Theory

[RichPundit]

Hey TTSers & always welcomed Lurkers [except perhaps arrogant, selfish LOST "Theory" authors ... PMO!]!

Would like to share a quick thought, albeit both winded and obvious, about Fringe relative to LOST ... at only the cost of your valuable time.

Enjoyed LOST creator JJAbram's new TV series Fringe yesterday. Fringe is beginning to really congeal and appeal to me, particularly the growth of our Peter Bishop character. Peter is increasingly contributing his unique talents by separately helping our FBI character Olivia regarding FBI activities (e.g., discovering secret idenities), AND his "Fringe Science" father Walter regarding innovative science applications (e.g., repeating music/math relationship to discover key equation). Think Fringe has great potential to evolve into a very satisfying Sci Fi adventure series with well devloped and interesting characters, albeit it's not there yet, imho.


Also yesterday, LyLyFord graciously posted a fascinating Darlton panel interview elsewhere including:

• "Asked if they know the answers to all the questions they raise on the show right away or sometimes figure it out as they go along, the duo said it was a combination of the two. Lindelof recalled how the entire pilot was put together – including writing, casting and production – in 12 weeks, which didn’t allow much time to come up with any long-term mythology. However, once the series was given a full season order, beyond the initial 12 episode order it received, Cuse said he and Lindelof sat down and discussed, “What the overall mythological underpinnings of the show would be. We quickly landed on the ending, and then constructed this broader road map of other mythological points we’d hit on this story.” While each season of Lost is mapped out, the duo said you have to, “let the show organically tell us what it’s going to be,”
• "In the pilot when they introduced the polar bear, they knew that a group of people had brought it to the island for experiments, but they did not decide who these people specifically were until shortly after Carlton joined Lost for “Solitary” when he and Damon had a discussion about all the big mysteries that did not have answers yet. For example, Damon already knew what the monster and the island were, but they talked about question such as, what if the group of people is called the Dharma Initiative? What if the characters get off the island before the end because the audience would totally not expect that? What if the series becomes about the characters getting back together on the island at the end of the show? What is the final episode of the show? What is in the Hatch that is soon to be introduced?"
• "They acknowledged that they stalled in the third season because they did not have an ending, pointed specifically to “Claire strapping a message to a frigging bird’s foot!” That also got laughs."

Hence, Darlton confirmed that our core LOST mythology was amorphous and undefined during most of at least season 1 and perhaps much longer, and thus in my mind, many radically different LOST storylines were possible even as it progressed and events unfolded.

SOooo, there have been several contradictory theories/speculations posted on this and other threads that fit the observed evidence and a possible storyline. Obviously, they all cannot remain true throughout S5 & S6. For example, my last post was about how everyone is good including both Ben and Widmore even though they ruthlessly compete. Previously on this thread I've posted my speculation that "good" Alvar Hanso recruited the DeGroots to research and apply special Island science for BFSkinner-like social utopia, but they were infiltrated and ruthlessly conquered by a group including a Bad Hanso and his other partners like Widmore & Paik solely for their personal gain. Both fit our evidence, but obviously both cannot be true.

imho, Fringe seems to be perhaps an interesting yet perhaps a discarded possible LOST storyline.

Fringe seems to be about a secret, well-funded organization that ruthlessly uses the world as their laboratory to experiment with a highly diverse set of cutting edge science and its fantastic application for unknown purposes, seemingly evil. HMmmm, sounds like what our LOST Dharma Initiative possibly could be with almost limitless funding, perhaps governmental including either USA versus Russia or joint USA/Russia. Much military evidence such as when cop Ana Lucia identified the old US military knife and of course 1-eyed Russian Mikhail, eh?

Sorry, my ADD kicked-in and gotta run ... I'll finish later - RichPundit

[RichPundit]

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Hence, Darlton confirmed that our core LOST mythology was amorphous and undefined during most of at least season 1 and perhaps much longer, and thus in my mind, many radically different LOST storylines were possible even as it progressed and events unfolded.
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imho, Fringe seems to be perhaps an interesting yet perhaps a discarded possible LOST storyline. /quote]


Hey TTSers & welcomed Lurkers, enjoyed another episode of Fringe yesterday as well as the LOST "Tale of Two Cities" rerun on geeky G4 with Star Wars [?] helmet licking Olivia. Wow, imho, while Fringe is still evolving & congealing well wrt actors, story-telling, directing, and overall production chemistry, my tingling LOST-y sense is that unlike early LOST episodes, the core mythology of Fringe seems well-established and perhaps was potential LOST core mythology that may have been discarded for an alternative storyline.

In addition to the LOST parallels previously briefly posted, Fringe involves a mental institution with highly diverse brilliant scientists and others, including core character "Fringe Science" researcher Walter Bishop who repeats a NUMBERS sequence [nature's Fibonacci sequence: 0 1 1 2 3 5 8 13 21 ... ]. In last night's episode, it is revealed that this number sequence represents private safe deposit boxes at various banks in which Walter long ago stored the pieces of his fringe science invention that can extract individuals, perhaps items, from the past ... time travel. Walters numbers perhaps were extracted from Walter's Psyche while in the highly secured mental institution as were another brilliant researcher's fringe science info. A highly talented, well-organized, well-planned, and well-resourced team used fringe science vibration technology (Looking Glass Dharma station) to steal the invention pieces, and applied them to free a seemingly evil (B&W) and powerful associate from a highly secured prison thru well-planned & orchestrated space teleportation. Also, memories are transferred from dead individual's Psyches to others manifesting as visions, and there exists a well-funded, highly capable organization that ruthlessly and rabidily applies leading-edge fringe science for unknown purposes competing with the mostly "good ones" like the NSA, FBI and scientist Walter Bishop with his son Peter.

AND, there's much more with more to come ... Fringe is only early in its 1st season.

Think the importance of this is that if Fringe is about discarded core LOST mythology that fits early LOST episodes/seasons behaviour & events, Fringe is a mental tool for rabid LOST fans like me who are obsessively & desperately working to understand our congealed core LOST mythology as fairly recently decided by Darlton et al.

Whew, much fun! Namaste - RichPundit

[Doghead]

Personally I am still struck by the "LOST is a game" website and its voluminous information. More than the actual man's theory that LOST is a video game, is the definitely correct identification of good and bad roles, the black and white / dark and light stuff and so on. I am not connected to the site BTW, just really like reading it and it makes a lot of sense.

[RichPundit]

HMmmm, my last login visit to our TTS forum was mid-March, and the last post on our Forbidden Planet thread was by Doghead in mid-December ... am personally very disappointed. Think together we have evolved some solid LOST insights on this thread that are still robust, and I continue to think about our Forbidden Planet psyche LOST connection every day. Guess with our now highly sophisticated LOST fan collective psyche, after years of rabid study and discussion as students of the University of LOST, much has been gained as well as LOST. [Ok, ok ... I'll have some Wisconsin cheese with my whine.]

Our core insight is that our Island can sense, analyze and act on a person's psyche, hence influence individual behaviours. The power capability for this is limitless, even capable of distorting our space-time continuum, and seems to have evolved from deep within our Earth's core forming "exotic matter" via volcanic activity ... perhaps an alien entity that crashed in ancient times and is LOST, desperately trying to communicate and return [to her] home. We expanded this to include a genetic basis which helps determine which individuals are better connected or "tuned" via electromagnetic (EM) forces to our LOST Island, seemingly focused on "Specials" and "Bad Dad" kids.

imho, the theory/speculation insights on this thread seem to still apply. We saw Kate's horse, Hurley's numbers, Walt's polar bear, Jack's Dad, Ecko's brother Yemi, and many other visions and manifestations of intense individual psyches. It even seems that Smokie is an Island entity tool formed with Island volcanic matter for sensing, analyzing and acting on a person's psyche. More recently, we saw Ben in the Temple surrounded by Smokie flashing images and messages from his intense psyche engram of his murdered daughter Alex causing Ben to now rabidly follow John Locke.

Perhaps this thread needs some congealing and updating to help revive it. Please enjoy perusing this thread and building it ... think there is much to contribute. I desperately need it as part of my LOST therapy!

Namaste - RichPundit





Volcanic Activity. As taught to island kids by the Dharma Initiative and repeatedly evidenced by rocks & craters, perhaps Jacob cabin's ash ring, our LOST island was formed via "volcanic activity". Perhaps our LOST island is an integral and powerful amalgamate with our sentinent being/meteor who craves communication and bonding with human lifeforms, perhaps escape to return home.

[RichPundit]

Ok first, cute Mama and baby polar bears ... curious, where's the Bad Dad?





Am planning to integrate and update some past postings on our thread in a week or so after pondering Comic Con. Hopefully I'm alone, but imho, Comic Con was a bit boring this year, most likely cuz any major reveals of S6 would reveal too much and spoil everyone's fun! My thoughts still center on our Island: sensing, analyzing and acting on individual psyches, being tangential to our space-time, and discovered & known throughout history and different cultures as Shambala, Fountain of Youth, Garden of Eden, Utopia, Heaven, etc., including as from the lyrics:

"Wash away my troubles, wash away my pain

With the rain in Shambala

Wash away my sorrow, wash away my shame

With the rain in Shambala [...]

Everyone is helpful, everyone is kind

On the road to Shambala

Everyone is lucky, everyone is so kind

On the road to Shambala [...]

How does your light shine, in the halls of Shambala?"

However, just finished the book "George Washington on Leadership" ( Brookhiser, 2008 ), and have to return it tomorrow to my wonderful Appleton Library which I just joined. I learned that while Washington was mostly uneducated, he read frequently and always sought well educated advisors who taught him the classics and more. Surprising to me, Washington was the richest man in America, and he owned an extensive personal library that included a copy of John Locke's key book (p. 196). Since names matter on LOST, I wanted a placeholder post from which to integrate and build future posts on this thread.

Interestingly, John Locke argued that all knowledge derives from the impressions of our senses, so Washington concluded that disagreement happens because different minds perceive the same object from different points of view. Sounds like LOST, eh?



I'll build and update this thread in a month or so - RichPundit

[RichPundit]

Sorry, nothing new here, but wanted a placeholder of related info for later reference. Am driving to Jersey from Wisconsin with my wife (LOVE GPS), overnight visiting family/friends at Notre Dame and Cincinnati, for a 2-week family/friends visit with several parties all over Jersey including my Bestest Friend's wedding near NYC. I know, I know ... boring 2u, eh? lol

Have collected much related LOST info for pondering a new S6 Finale post on our Forbidden Planet Theory/Speculation thread including Shambala/Garden of Eden/Utopia/Fountain of Youth/Atlantis/etc, Egyptian & Roman ancient history/mythology, Vile Vortices, Slaughter House 5, Richard Alpert/Locke/Jack et al, and much more previously posted on our thread and elsewhere.





Hope to contribute much LOST fun and therapy for all!

Namaste - RichPundit

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[RichPundit]

This past weekend, I saw the below curious symbol on an 1862 headstone in a historic, local cemetery in Door County, Wisconsin [Midwest Cape Cod]. SOooo, did some related homework hoping to help discover the solution to our complex, WTF mosaic LOST puzzle.

HMmmm, "They're coming ... " - Jacob. Perhaps they're the Masters/Leaders from many nations and faiths representing all of humanity, speaking many languages and associated with Shambala:


"Franklin Roosevelt, a 33rd degree Freemason, held the title, Knight of Pythias, in a secret society called the Ancient Arabic Order of Nobles and Mystics. Among its previous members were Francis Bacon and the French revolutionary, Mirabeau.


Membership is only open to Freemasons who have reached at least the 32nd degree or are members of the Templar lodges of Freemasonry.13 The Order was allegedly founded by a descendant of Mohammed who based it on a secret society in medieval Europe which included Jews, Arabs, and Christians.14

“The symbol of the Order is a crescent moon, made from the claws of a Bengal tiger, engraved with a pyramid, an urn and a pentagram. The crescent is suspended from a scimitar and in the Order is a representation of the Universal Mother worshipped in ancient times as Isis-Semiramis-Ninkharsag. The horns of the crescent point downwards because it represents the setting moon of the old faith at the rising of the Sun of the new religion of the brotherhood of humanity.” 15

Roosevelt’s Secretary of Agriculture, Henry Wallace, was also an occultist who was involved in the decision to put the all-seeing eye symbol on the dollar bill.16 Wallace had a guru, the Russian mystic and artist, Nicholas Roerich, who spent many years travelling through Nepal and Tibet studying with the lamas and searching for the lost city of Shamballa, the legendary home of the secret occult adepts or ‘masters’ who are said to have secretly influenced’ world affairs throughout history.

They are variously known as the Secret Chiefs, the Hidden Masters, or the Great White Brotherhood and some researchers believe they are the force behind the creation of the Freemasons, Sufis, Knights Templar, Rosicrucians, Theosophical Society, and the Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn.17"

[touzoku]

Good find, cool info.

The "Eyeland" ????

http://www.ipadrblog.com/pyramid_eye.jpg