Others NOT from DHARMA???

fishhead202 · 12-29-2006, 08:59 AM

OK, this is from the big-ass spoiler thread, but I thought it might deserve it's own. Basically, there are heavy hints that the others are not remnants from DHARMA, but rather much more ancient, possibly related to the 4toe statue. I'd like to hear people's thoughts on this, since I can't get anywhere with it yet.....

Cheers,
--Fish

Cyfo_Diaz · 12-29-2006, 11:57 AM

i think they were part of dharma, or at least some of them were. that spoiler thread seemed to suggest that the others arent the ones we shud be worried about and it has been hinted for a while now that there are another group on the island, maybe they integrated with dharma or they wiped them out

Bunny Suction · 12-29-2006, 11:57 AM

I'm not sure I think the Others date back to the statue, but I definitely don't think they're DHARMA. Damon's been making a point of stating frequently that he's not sure they're one and the same. With Ben having been on the island his whole life, my money's on them not being DHARMA at all.

tigerk7 · 01-02-2007, 09:02 AM

Interesting

I would love to know what the discussion was all about before it went solo.

Hmmm.. Wasn't there a comment by Juliet in episode 2 or 3 when Jack ask's her about Dharma. She says something, I forget, that denotes they used to be Dharma, but everything is different now? I forgot exactly what she said. But I thought this showed everyone they once were a part of Dharma.

Ben could be lying about being born there or he isn't lying and there is something we are missing.

I do not think that the Others are related to the statue. The statue looks like its 100's of years old and a statue like this denotes aboriginal peoples or early people, one of or the first people on that land.

Bunny Suction · 01-02-2007, 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by tigerk7

Wasn't there a comment by Juliet in episode 2 or 3 when Jack ask's her about Dharma. She says something, I forget, that denotes they used to be Dharma, but everything is different now? I forgot exactly what she said. But I thought this showed everyone they once were a part of Dharma.

Jack says something to the effect of "So, you're what? What's left of this DHARMA initiative?", and Juliette replies by saying "That was a long time ago." Her response could be implying a connection, but is pretty much open ended because what was a long time ago exactly? Was it a long time ago that they used to be DHARMA, or did she just mean that DHARMA was a long time ago? So in effect, her statement didn't really tell us anything.

tigerk7 · 01-02-2007, 12:24 PM

Thanks for that Bunny.

I remember now, "That was a long time ago". In my opinion, it sounds like that phrase leans more Dharma positive than not being Dharma at all.
But it can sound neutral too. Hmmmmm..I don't think we are meant to know specific Dharma details right now anyways.

Jack'sLover#! · 01-02-2007, 06:32 PM

First, let me say that I believe that there are two groups of "Others". We have Ben's group and then we have the No Foot Print "Others". I think that The "Others were here before DHARMA and heck, they might be the Inccident. I think the "Others" took control over DHARMA and maybe some of the "Others" are leftover DHARMA employees. I think that there was some type of power struggle and the NFP "Others" broke off from Ben and his groupies.

tailhook · 01-15-2007, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Bunny Suction

I'm not sure I think the Others date back to the statue, but I definitely don't think they're DHARMA. Damon's been making a point of stating frequently that he's not sure they're one and the same. With Ben having been on the island his whole life, my money's on them not being DHARMA at all.

There are some fundamental problems with them having been native to the island though. They have some type of connection with the outside world.. having gotten the records of all the Losties. So they have outside help.. which if they were native to the island doesn't make much sense. They also use modern conveniences like CD Players, have book clubs, and at the least Juliet longed for songs like "Downtown". A case might be made that Fenry is originally a native... but the main brunt of the Others really needs to have originated from the outside.. and subsequently Dharma or the remnants of other groups that crossed paths with the island(i.e. Alex).

-TH

moz · 01-23-2007, 11:00 AM

I agree with you, actually we know that Ben and some Others take "good" people from other groups, as they do with children. Maybe Juliet is an ancient Dharma active, and was taken as a "good". Also actually we don't know about Jack in the future, but something is going to happen.

nemesise1977 · 01-26-2007, 07:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bunny Suction

Jack says something to the effect of "So, you're what? What's left of this DHARMA initiative?", and Juliette replies by saying "That was a long time ago." Her response could be implying a connection, but is pretty much open ended because what was a long time ago exactly? Was it a long time ago that they used to be DHARMA, or did she just mean that DHARMA was a long time ago? So in effect, her statement didn't really tell us anything.

Actually she says "That was a long time ago, but it dosent matter what we were but what we are now"
to me a strongindication that they once were Dharma or at the very least knew of it.

also
"irst, let me say that I believe that there are two groups of "Others". We have Ben's group and then we have the No Foot Print "Others". I think that The "Others were here before DHARMA and heck, they might be the Inccident. I think the "Others" took control over DHARMA and maybe some of the "Others" are leftover DHARMA employees. I think that there was some type of power struggle and the NFP "Others" broke off from Ben and his groupies."

Problem with that, Locke could not track Eathan very well and he was part of this group of others. He also had the almost freakish superhuman strength, and according to locke "Everything I know aboyt hunting and tracking, he knew more" or something like that.

12-29-2006, 08:59 AM	#1
fishhead202 Senior Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 409	Others NOT from DHARMA??? OK, this is from the big-ass spoiler thread, but I thought it might deserve it's own. Basically, there are heavy hints that the others are not remnants from DHARMA, but rather much more ancient, possibly related to the 4toe statue. I'd like to hear people's thoughts on this, since I can't get anywhere with it yet..... Cheers, --Fish

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12-29-2006, 11:57 AM	#2
Cyfo_Diaz Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Belfast, UK Posts: 256	i think they were part of dharma, or at least some of them were. that spoiler thread seemed to suggest that the others arent the ones we shud be worried about and it has been hinted for a while now that there are another group on the island, maybe they integrated with dharma or they wiped them out

12-29-2006, 11:57 AM	#3
Bunny Suction Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 294	I'm not sure I think the Others date back to the statue, but I definitely don't think they're DHARMA. Damon's been making a point of stating frequently that he's not sure they're one and the same. With Ben having been on the island his whole life, my money's on them not being DHARMA at all.

01-02-2007, 09:02 AM	#4
tigerk7 Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 7	Interesting I would love to know what the discussion was all about before it went solo. Hmmm.. Wasn't there a comment by Juliet in episode 2 or 3 when Jack ask's her about Dharma. She says something, I forget, that denotes they used to be Dharma, but everything is different now? I forgot exactly what she said. But I thought this showed everyone they once were a part of Dharma. Ben could be lying about being born there or he isn't lying and there is something we are missing. I do not think that the Others are related to the statue. The statue looks like its 100's of years old and a statue like this denotes aboriginal peoples or early people, one of or the first people on that land.

01-02-2007, 12:24 PM	#6
tigerk7 Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 7	Thanks for that Bunny. I remember now, "That was a long time ago". In my opinion, it sounds like that phrase leans more Dharma positive than not being Dharma at all. But it can sound neutral too. Hmmmmm..I don't think we are meant to know specific Dharma details right now anyways.

01-02-2007, 06:32 PM	#7
Jack'sLover#! Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Indiana Posts: 34	First, let me say that I believe that there are two groups of "Others". We have Ben's group and then we have the No Foot Print "Others". I think that The "Others were here before DHARMA and heck, they might be the Inccident. I think the "Others" took control over DHARMA and maybe some of the "Others" are leftover DHARMA employees. I think that there was some type of power struggle and the NFP "Others" broke off from Ben and his groupies.

01-23-2007, 11:00 AM	#9
moz Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 10	I agree with you, actually we know that Ben and some Others take "good" people from other groups, as they do with children. Maybe Juliet is an ancient Dharma active, and was taken as a "good". Also actually we don't know about Jack in the future, but something is going to happen.