Harold Perrineau Upset With 'Lost' Bosses - Page 3

06-01-2008, 12:37 AM

If Michael really is dead then why does Hurley give Walt a glimmer of hope when they talk and Hurley states that they had to lie to protect those left behind. there was a pause and a look that makes me believe that Hurley has knowledge that Michael could still be alive and have more story to tell.

06-01-2008, 05:03 AM

hay come on it is not about race it is only to make the fans more intersting about this season and also they consider he was a murder so it is ok to make him die,

msichana · 06-01-2008, 05:26 AM

I think it's really bizarre for all these non-black folks to immediately dismiss Perrineau's critique - which is not nasty, and pretty thoughtful - as totally groundless. As khatruman says, it's all about perspective. And there is a huge cultural stereotype about deadbeat African-American dads, and fatherless black kids due to dads who've been killed/incarcerated/walked away. And this does play into it in our cultural memory, whether intentional or not. Let's stop before all we white folks - who have the privileged position NOT to have to think about our race all the time in our society - are so quick to say "oh, this has nothing to do with race."

EvilHookWildlife · 06-01-2008, 06:36 AM

Harold Perrineau is just as annoying in real life as his character was on the show (which I didn't think was possible). Harold needed to die. Every Lost fan I know absolutely hated him. His character was boring. It's lame this he's using the race card. Who the hell is he to question the decisions of the genius writers of Lost... oh yeah, WAAAAAALLLLLTTTT!!!!!!!!!

Pancee · 06-01-2008, 07:28 AM

I get the point he's making; there is some validity. BUT I also think that purely as a character, Michael was expendable and I think to have some sense of reality, some of the main characters have to die

BuddyD · 06-01-2008, 10:54 AM

I wasn't a fan of Michael when he left, but I was by the time he died, so I think the writers did their job. The character may not have had a ton to do, but they redeemed him in my eyes and the eyes of many others. The race card is just ridiculous, especially on a show like Lost, where pretty much everyone is a murderer, con artist, liar, or at least morally shady.

Blakeney · 06-01-2008, 03:49 PM

I don't think it's an issue of race - I think it's always been more of an issue of "too many characters to tell completely adequate stories, so we will focus mainly on the fan faves". I love Lost and think it's extremly well-written, but I think Michael's reappeaance and ending was extremly brusque (and Michael is not one of my favorite characters), "You can go now, Michael" KerBLOOIE. Poor Walt - he deserved a father in his life. Speaking of Walt - is he still "special"? I'm wondering if he will eventually be the Others leader.

BuddyD · 06-01-2008, 07:46 PM

I wonder if plans for Michael were affected at all by the writers' strike. The series lost 2 episodes and had to condense things to get the rest of the story in, so it's possible some things involving Michael had to be dropped.

oscardahl · 06-01-2008, 07:50 PM

I do think the strike hurt Michael's story - given two more episodes, the redemption theme probably would have been explored better.

BuddyJeff · 06-01-2008, 07:51 PM

TheEditor, I completely disagree that Michael's reappearance was pointless. He was a loose end, and I liked that they brought him back to try to make up for the misery he caused a few seasons back. Without his reappearance this season he would have been remembered only as the annoying guy screaming "Waaaaalt!" for 20 episodes straight who then murdered some people. As for the writers making it up as they go--I see this complaint a lot, but really, virtually all series are made up as they go along, even the ones that are claimed to be thought up entirely in advance. The good series storytellers are the ones who can pull things together in the end and make it seem like it was all planned, and I think this year the Lost writers definitely did that. It doesn't hurt that they have Brian K. Vaughan on board now, since he's completely brilliant and I think him being around had a lot of influence toward the awesomeness level of the show this year.

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06-01-2008, 12:37 AM	#21
NeverLost Posts: n/a	If Michael really is dead then why does Hurley give Walt a glimmer of hope when they talk and Hurley states that they had to lie to protect those left behind. there was a pause and a look that makes me believe that Hurley has knowledge that Michael could still be alive and have more story to tell.

06-01-2008, 05:03 AM	#22
ahmednaas2 Posts: n/a	hay come on it is not about race it is only to make the fans more intersting about this season and also they consider he was a murder so it is ok to make him die,

06-01-2008, 05:26 AM	#23
msichana Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 6	I think it's really bizarre for all these non-black folks to immediately dismiss Perrineau's critique - which is not nasty, and pretty thoughtful - as totally groundless. As khatruman says, it's all about perspective. And there is a huge cultural stereotype about deadbeat African-American dads, and fatherless black kids due to dads who've been killed/incarcerated/walked away. And this does play into it in our cultural memory, whether intentional or not. Let's stop before all we white folks - who have the privileged position NOT to have to think about our race all the time in our society - are so quick to say "oh, this has nothing to do with race."

06-01-2008, 06:36 AM	#24
EvilHookWildlife Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 1	Harold Perrineau is just as annoying in real life as his character was on the show (which I didn't think was possible). Harold needed to die. Every Lost fan I know absolutely hated him. His character was boring. It's lame this he's using the race card. Who the hell is he to question the decisions of the genius writers of Lost... oh yeah, WAAAAAALLLLLTTTT!!!!!!!!!

06-01-2008, 07:28 AM	#25
Pancee Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 26	I get the point he's making; there is some validity. BUT I also think that purely as a character, Michael was expendable and I think to have some sense of reality, some of the main characters have to die

06-01-2008, 10:54 AM	#26
BuddyD Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 1,005	I wasn't a fan of Michael when he left, but I was by the time he died, so I think the writers did their job. The character may not have had a ton to do, but they redeemed him in my eyes and the eyes of many others. The race card is just ridiculous, especially on a show like Lost, where pretty much everyone is a murderer, con artist, liar, or at least morally shady.

06-01-2008, 03:49 PM	#27
Blakeney Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 50	I don't think it's an issue of race - I think it's always been more of an issue of "too many characters to tell completely adequate stories, so we will focus mainly on the fan faves". I love Lost and think it's extremly well-written, but I think Michael's reappeaance and ending was extremly brusque (and Michael is not one of my favorite characters), "You can go now, Michael" KerBLOOIE. Poor Walt - he deserved a father in his life. Speaking of Walt - is he still "special"? I'm wondering if he will eventually be the Others leader.

06-01-2008, 07:46 PM	#28
BuddyD Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 1,005	I wonder if plans for Michael were affected at all by the writers' strike. The series lost 2 episodes and had to condense things to get the rest of the story in, so it's possible some things involving Michael had to be dropped.

06-01-2008, 07:50 PM	#29
oscardahl Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: , , . Posts: 1,449,703	I do think the strike hurt Michael's story - given two more episodes, the redemption theme probably would have been explored better.

06-01-2008, 07:51 PM	#30
BuddyJeff Junior Member Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 56	TheEditor, I completely disagree that Michael's reappearance was pointless. He was a loose end, and I liked that they brought him back to try to make up for the misery he caused a few seasons back. Without his reappearance this season he would have been remembered only as the annoying guy screaming "Waaaaalt!" for 20 episodes straight who then murdered some people. As for the writers making it up as they go--I see this complaint a lot, but really, virtually all series are made up as they go along, even the ones that are claimed to be thought up entirely in advance. The good series storytellers are the ones who can pull things together in the end and make it seem like it was all planned, and I think this year the Lost writers definitely did that. It doesn't hurt that they have Brian K. Vaughan on board now, since he's completely brilliant and I think him being around had a lot of influence toward the awesomeness level of the show this year.