What Ben Knew--And When He Knew It...about the crash, the survivors, etc.

[Artistgreg]

I like the idea that the Others had to settle for Ben as a leader until John was ready, and then John not being the perfect leader. Maybe Jack, Walt or Aaron will be the island's savior.

[Ouidybird2]

Originally Posted by Artistgreg

I like the idea that the Others had to settle for Ben as a leader until John was ready, and then John not being the perfect leader. Maybe Jack, Walt or Aaron will be the island's savior.

The island's savior and it's leader will be two distinct individuals.

[erikau]

Originally Posted by Ouidybird2

The island's savior and it's leader will be two distinct individuals.

I have to agree. It is the classic John the Baptist/Jesus relationship. Jesus was the savior, the mystical and spiritual component, but it was John the Baptist that started the movement. Back in those days early Jews even thought that John was to be the Messiah. This seems very much like Ben/Locke. Ben had to do all the dirty work, the true leader, so that Jesus could be on the right path. Ben has done his duty as the leader while preparing for Locke...Locke is the fated savior.

[Talontbo]

hey Sugar...

something I did not catch.. from earlier... Jacob's Lists being compiled after the crash???

If as has been discussed.. Richard travels back in time to interview Locke... Richard does this after Locke and the plane crash...

are we to believe taking the kind of risk of traveling back in time would be worth doing it...

Richard could easily have created a paradox.. for all we know he did... had Richard not gone back to see infant Locke and Young Locke.. the Knife would never have been a factor??? Abbaddon may never have been needed..

going Back in time always gets me freaky...

[sugarnuts]

Originally Posted by Talontbo

hey Sugar...

something I did not catch.. from earlier... Jacob's Lists being compiled after the crash???

If as has been discussed.. Richard travels back in time to interview Locke... Richard does this after Locke and the plane crash...

are we to believe taking the kind of risk of traveling back in time would be worth doing it...

Richard could easily have created a paradox.. for all we know he did... had Richard not gone back to see infant Locke and Young Locke.. the Knife would never have been a factor??? Abbaddon may never have been needed..

going Back in time always gets me freaky...

Good point on the risks of going back in time. What about course-correction? The universe sets itself straight whenever anything goes wrong, so if Richard makes a mistake and changes something, the universe would simply correct itself, right?

btw, Time travel also confuses the sh*t out of me

[Desi's Brother]

The whole show has centered on the conflict between

Jack: Man of Science vs Locke: man of Faith

What we have learned over Season 4 is that Locke is supposed to be a man of science...This is the lesson of Richard and science camp. Locke denies his own "true self" and instead persues a show offy "I'm a tough man" kind of life. Thus Locke chooses the Knife and gives in to Abadon's walkabout idea.

Jack on the other hand is a doctor and everything seems to be good. His Ex-Wife is miraculously healed from his surgery. Over and over Locke says that Jack needs to have "faith in the island or whatever" by the final scene of season 3 and 4 it appears that Jack has transformed into a "man of faith" who believes in his purpose on the island.

So this leads me to believe that Locke over season 5 will either become a man of science which he is supposed to be, or he will once again reject this new identity and will go on as tough guy Locke. The rejecting it would make more sense as to why he is now lying dead in a coffin on the main land.


Maybe Jeremy Bentham runs into Abaddon and has to sell his soul back to him or something for getting him to the island.

I'm thinking Locke is "Faust"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johann_Georg_Faust

and Abbadon is Mephistopheles.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mephistopheles

[fishhead202]

Originally Posted by Desi's Brother

The whole show has centered on the conflict between

Jack: Man of Science vs Locke: man of Faith

What we have learned over Season 4 is that Locke is supposed to be a man of science...This is the lesson of Richard and science camp. Locke denies his own "true self" and instead persues a show offy "I'm a tough man" kind of life. Thus Locke chooses the Knife and gives in to Abadon's walkabout idea.

Jack on the other hand is a doctor and everything seems to be good. His Ex-Wife is miraculously healed from his surgery. Over and over Locke says that Jack needs to have "faith in the island or whatever" by the final scene of season 3 and 4 it appears that Jack has transformed into a "man of faith" who believes in his purpose on the island.

So this leads me to believe that Locke over season 5 will either become a man of science which he is supposed to be, or he will once again reject this new identity and will go on as tough guy Locke. The rejecting it would make more sense as to why he is now lying dead in a coffin on the main land.


Maybe Jeremy Bentham runs into Abaddon and has to sell his soul back to him or something for getting him to the island.

I'm thinking Locke is "Faust"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johann_Georg_Faust

and Abbadon is Mephistopheles.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mephistopheles

Not sure I buy your predictions about next season, but I like the post. I'd never realized that Locke (who started as the spiritual), had science as such an influence, and seems to be even more of the polar opposite of Jack (I'd never thought about how much spiritual influence Jack had really)

Nice one!

--Fish