05-13-2008, 01:06 PM
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|  Doppelganger 1969 also know as Journey to the Far Side of the Sun.. IMDB.COm I was thinking about Jbraggs time line for "Cabin Fever" and while lining things up... and they did seem to appear as tough they did... one thing continues to stand out as the defining moment.. When Keamy's man informs the doctor that the morse code message he got from the beach.. said... The doctor had washed up on the beach with his throat slit.. How can this be>>>????? if everything else matches.. and I replied to JBragg.. it may not be about a Different Time line.. so match as ... Being in 2 places at the same time... The movie I mention above is quite extraordinary really... and tells of a planet in the same orbit as earth.. but always on the opposite side of from our Earth.. but it is Identical in all respects.. except... ITS AN OPPOSITE.. Writing is backwards... things are done backwards... and yet.. its a mirror... same people.. same places... etc etc.. what if there are 2 Islands??? in 2 Places??? at the same time... and we are seeing some events from 1 Island.. and some events from the Other Island....???? That the O6 that are rescued.. are in the wrong reality????? and that is why they must get back.... because they escaped to the wrong place and time?? |
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05-13-2008, 01:45 PM
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 | There is no way there are two Islands. What I WILL believe is this: Look at the Orchid video, and the Kasmir effect you talk about so much. I don't think there are two Islands, but rather version of the same Island, in different places in time. The Island can displace itself in time. While most of us FOOLS are bound by TIME and SPACE, the Island and Ben know the real deal. This is also how Ben will "move" the Island. He won't physically move it out of the sea, he will move it in time. Think of time and space like you would think of as x and y vectors on a graph. On any graph, knowing just the "x" or just the "y" coordinate is not enough. It is the (x,y) coordinate that matters. Likewise, just where you are in time, or where you are in space, isn't all that significant in Lost. It's where you are in TIME and SPACE. Got me? haha |
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05-13-2008, 02:18 PM
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| hey Erikua.. ok... I can live with that or a slightly modified version... but the same things would similarly apply.. 2 Islands 2 Jacks 2 Kates 2 Lockes the same.. but not the same... Not an X and the Y... but the XY and the YX.... opposites in Time and Space???? I think I this may be closer... as opposed to true opposites... more like the IMDB.COM.. notation... "The Parallel"... Twilight Zone... also a version of "Journey to the far side of the sun" and may just explain a lot... especially.. two versions of the same person... The Doctor.. apparently in two places at the same time... but again.. we shouldn't discount. the same person, at two different places at two different times where it is seemingly impossible for that to occur... such as.. the very minor 31mn time difference.. Doctor dead on beach.. same doctor alive on ship... same person at two different place at two different times where it is seemingly impossible for this to occur... but I have to... I am going to hold onto my true Opposites Theory for a while.. there may only be scant evidence.. in the form of Show Themes, but it is intriguing non the less... the Juliette's Sister thing was a WoW thought.. and fits... cleanly... but their are very few things like that.. I wonder.. all the others.. so willing to die... for the Island??? or do they know They Are In Their Wrong Place????? |
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05-13-2008, 02:22 PM
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| as a short follow up to your thought.. same Island.. same place.. different times.... Island now??? Island Then... Island say a month from now??? all occupying the same space... but at different times...??? is it not also possible... The Island is Fragmented??? In Time???? |
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05-13-2008, 03:52 PM
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| another small item ... not sure it has been mentioned... I didn't see... but I admit.. I haven't read every thread... Christian... in the cabin... Is not dressed the same way as the Christian jack sees... I am pretty sure, but will have to go look again.. when Christian appears to Claire in the Jungle... he again is not wearing the same clothes.. In the Cabin he clearly has changed shoes.. no longer do we see the tennis shoes..or suit... his clothes are more rugged in design.... Two of Christian??? and it appears Claire is wearing the same clothes.... and of course.. still has her bandaid... |
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05-14-2008, 05:27 AM
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That's more or less what I was saying. Think of your house not as being just x...but x2000, x2001, x2002...except smaller, an "x" house for every measurable second of time. There really exists an infinite number of everything, if you consider everything not just in the space it occupies but also in the TIME it occupies. I think the Island is special because it has become "unlocked" in time so to speak, I guess fragmented as you put it. | |
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05-14-2008, 05:33 AM
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That is possible, but I think it is also possible that the Christian Jack sees is the Smoke Monster, in the form of him. I think the Christian Claire sees really is Christian, in the same way Charlie came to Hurley. I guess the way I think about it, there ARE doubles, but created because of the fragmentation between Island time and real time, not because there are actually two separate Islands. One Island, different time periods, and when people travel between the real world and the Island rifts occur. To give you a little more to think about though, check out Ana Lucia's page on Lostpedia. The clothes she is wearing when she awakes after the crash, are not the clothes she was wearing on the plane. I don't know if this is true for anyone else, but they have the photo proof for her at least. | |
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05-14-2008, 07:00 AM
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| i don't think i understand this theory.... i would think moving the island in time would not change where it is spacially, so how would doing so make it unobservable to another, if it is physically in the same space? |
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05-14-2008, 07:15 AM
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| Rivum, to be honest is involves physics concepts that I find difficult to explain. The (x,y) graph analogy was the best I could do, but I geuss think of it this way. Right now I am sitting in a red chair, let's designate it as point x. If you think of location as one dimensional, a dimension of space, then if you looked at the red chair, you would find me there, at point x. HOWEVER, what if you looked at point x, the chair, 15 minutes from now. Would I be there? Maybe. The present is point p, and 15 minutes from then is point f. At point f I will be in the bathroom, because I have to pee haha. Thus, location in this sense is 2 dimensional, the intersection in the planes of SPACE and TIME. THEREFORE: if you look at the intersection of space and time, point x at point p...you will find me. BUT, if you look at point x at point f, I will not be there. Thus, it isn;t fair to say that you could always find me at point x, because just because I am there at certain TIMES, does not make that my location. My location is in both TIME and space. If the ocean is point x, and the Island is me...does it start to clear up? Time travel is a major theme in this show, and we know they are going to "move" the Island. Which makes more "sense" (in as much as anything on Lost makes sense), that Ben is somehow going to physically relocate the Island, or that he is going to move the Island through time? The Island will technically still be at point x...but with the Island now at point f, and the Freighter still at point p in TIME, they won't be in the same location. Same place in space, but different places in time. Think about it. In the ocean, at point p in time...the Dr. is killed. But on the Island, not too far away in miles...the body had ALREADY WASHED UP. Wow. I would say that this is because although the ship and the Island are relatively close on the plane of Space, they are distant on the plane of Time. The Island, when the body washed up, was literally in the past when compared to the freighter. Same place in space, different places in time. When Daniel asked for the rocket to be fired, there was a 30 minute delay. Once again, the Island could literally be said to have been in the freighter's past. It is the traveling between these gaps in time that is making everything all screwy, and probably also why the Island is "invisible" most of the time. It is there spatially, but distant on the plane of time. |
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05-14-2008, 08:06 AM
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| hey Erikua, I think i am starting to understand how you are thinking this through.. but there is still a problem.. we have an instance where... Daniel sends a Morse Code Transmission... at X Time Man on ships receives message it would appear and returns message at X Time Real Time as perceived by both the sender and the receiver... This event is both a Real Time Event for both.. and yet it is a Future Time for Daniel as we see it, compared to the man on the Ship... and a Current Time Event for the man on the ship.. (when he receives and replies).... meaning.. Daniel sends a message describing an event that happened on the island.. at that moment (sending message.. not the event that actually happened earlier on the beach) man gets message, replies.. Doctor is fine.. later we see... man on ship... receiving message... later still.. he tells Doctor.. what hear something weird??? moments later.. Doctor is dead and floating away... supposedly to the beach.. where he has already been found by Bernard... and yet we have a clear impression of a message sent in real time before the event on the ship... and after the event on the ship from the Island.... so.. for an outside observer... as we are... we automatically must conclude same set of events from different times.... but not if.. what we are seeing.. is 2 different events in 2 different times... but a transmission that... lets say... crossed over... sent from X time.. received by Y time.. when in fact.. sending from X Time was supposed to be received by X Time... but it wasn't.... its all very confusing and distorted... and fun to discuss... but it give me a headache... |
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