05-14-2008, 12:44 PM
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I think that there's a blur in this show between time travel and alternate realities. This is a stretch here, bare with me for a second........ There is a crappy older TV movie based on a Steven King novel. It's about a plane that gets hit by lighting or something. They land the plane and only a few people are still on board, the rest have vanished. Basically the whole planet is deserted. You come to find out that they shifted through time sort of. It wasn't necessarily time travel, but more of a.....shift. I don't really know how else to explain it. Now, while doing something like this might hide the island, I don't know how you could continue having outside contact at all. Let me toss another thought out there..................... I've written two attempts of explaining what's in my head, and deleted them both........ Imagine that moving the island is really more of a 'changing how you find it'. More like changing the channel on a radio. Yuo CAN still find it, but you need to know what frequency to look for. That 305 heading won't work anymore. If the island is a wormhole/nexus/gateway, then it may not -really- be located in the pacific/on the world/in this time.....whatever. Currently the 305 is the door that leads to our world. Moving it's location changes which doors are open to it. Damn, did that make ANY sense? hahaha Oh, and E, by pirate ship, I wasn't thinking the black rock, I was thinking the boat that the Others kidnapped Walt with. --Fish | |
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05-14-2008, 12:53 PM
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| hey Rivum... consider it this way.. where your are right now.. this moment.. this second... now...it changes to 10,000 yrs from now.. your still in that place... but the time is such as everything that was.. is now gone... Have you ever seen.. "The Time Machine" H.G. Wells... when he travels through time.. the machine... is always in the location it started from.. only the TIME CHANGES... when the Morlocks.. drag his machine into their Temple Hole Cave Place... and whats his face gets it and returns only to travel again... His best friend in London.. Time he left.. sees the new marks.... dragged through the snow... this represents the movement the machine made...from one point in time to another point time.. as well as its space in both times.... so you do not have to move the Island physically.. if the Island moves to 500 yrs past.... Keamy would find it is now empty.... same would go for moving it 1000 into the future... this could also explain our 4 toed statue... what time are they currently in??? Erikua...... I think your water idea has some merit.. but there is still one situation that has me a bit baffled.. Desmond.. in the jungle... hears Claire... from a mile away... are we to believe just being on the Island surrounded by water is enough??? or that Claire drowning is enough?? Not that I have a problem with that mind you... i am just asking... because it does seem your observation is pretty good about the water.... I would need to rewatch every episode again to say 100%.... but off the top of mind head it does look pretty solid... |
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05-14-2008, 01:02 PM
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| you all keep thinking they are saving the island.. this is not so... they are saving those that love the Island.. are part of the island... I ask.. how can Keamy... destroy an Island of this size??? it can be done... nor can it physically move... in Time or Space... it is where it is until such time as nature fianally does away with it... But if you move in time.. those that perceive time... and they move to 10,000 yrs forward... keamy goes back..... everyone is gone... island is there... but thats it... Keamy's Jan 2005 Island... but not say... Lockes... Jan 12,004 Island... same Island... different time... Keamy and everyone else... Toast..... |
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05-14-2008, 01:49 PM
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in our example, the island would not move over time so at another point in time, the island would still be right where it was. | |
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05-14-2008, 02:53 PM
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Haha good connection fish. The movie is "The Langoliers". It's based on a short story by Stephen King. I read somewhere that Darlton os a huge fan of Stephen King, i've also noticed many parallels with king's works and lost. In the book, an airplane takes off, packed with passengers. About halfway through the plane ride, the main characters WAKES UP and notices everyone is gone. he searches further and finds a handful of others left. I emphsized 'wake up' because the unaffected later realize that they were all asleep when this happened. They all woke up and realized everyone was gone. Basically the rest of the story is, they land at a deserted airport, and realised that they have fallen behind in time. they proceed to get on a plane and try to figure a way back. Anyway, the novella is called 'The Langoliers' becuase of what our survivors see happen to the past. Billions of black creatures seemingly made of just mouths "eat" existence. Everything is consumed by these 'Langoliers' I wont ruin the end for anyone, but this is a great connection to Lost. Mainly what grabbed my attention was the survivors being unconcious when the event occured. This makes me think of juliet and her first trip to the island Sorry to get off-topic but Fish just brought up one of my favorite King novellas, and great connection by the way!  Theres many more connections but i dont want to get off topic any further. But any Lost fan who enjoys a good book should check this one out
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05-14-2008, 03:16 PM
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 | Good call on the Langoliers. Okay, I think we have a disconnect. This is how I think they will be "saved" by "moving" the Island through time. When Ben moves it, yes, there WILL still be an Island in 2004 or whenever the Freighter is. BUT, like we saw with the Orchid Station video, there is a replication of sorts that happens in whatever the "moving" process is. There were two rabbit 15s, but clearly the second one showed up too early. They had meant to send it farther into the future. SO, how I think it will save them and the Island, is that they will all be moved to the Island at another point in time, a time when the Freighter is not there. It will likely be in the past, since if the Freighter folk destroy the Island in 2004, there wouldn't be a future. Maybe using the Orchid station or at least its technology, Ben can perform the rabbit trick on the ENTIRE Island and EVERYTHING on it...replicating it (or whatever the process is, I don't know) and everyone on it, into a time period before the trouble started. It could be only a month prior, or maybe a lot more, or less, but they could seemingly move the Island without ever needing to move anything. Think of the Island as the Time Machine, transporting all to a safe time period. Or something like that. |
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05-14-2008, 03:21 PM
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| Oh, neat thought based on that. That is why they are all going nutso back in the real world. That is why Hurley thinks they are all dead. They are dead, partly. The selves that they will leave behind on the Island, well maybe they DO get destroyed by the Freighter people. So you would have one non-destroyed Island with healthy people on it moved into the past, but technically pieces of them...their other versions, will be killed. |
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05-15-2008, 05:50 AM
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| On Faraday's blackboard,,, notation... Quantum Mechanic Temporal Sloshing Temporal Double. been looking up Temporal Double.. this tends to add a small bit of credence to my thought... Crazy Whack Jack... in the wrong reality... so.. perhaps Y Jack.. is in X Jack's reality (X Jack being the original crashed Jack) |
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05-15-2008, 06:50 AM
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An island can be destroyed, but this isn't about physical destruction. The bad guys want to use the island. They are going to save the island by keeping it out of the bad guys hand. Your grammar also makes my brain hurt. I think it would be great if it did physically move. Just to rub it in all of our noses who are trying to exprapolate crazy theories based on one line.  Yeah, Langoliers. That kind of time displacement was what I was thinking. --Fish | |
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05-15-2008, 08:21 AM
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| hey Fish.. if you do not like it... don't read it.... I might even complicate it further, and reduce it for fun... twist it... flip it.. and spin it... Just to make your tiny head POP..... by the way... please elaborate... explain how it is possible to destroy an island of that size??? I would love to hear how you would go about it... The Island is a metaphor... Ben says... "They are going to Kill, every single person on this island" The Island.. is a way of life, a philosophy.. apart from its special attributes.. and The Island is a land mass... located somewhere.. a rather good sized land mass at that.. This is not an atoll.. This Island has a Volcano.... so please, enlighten me.... how would you Fish, destroy this Island? |
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