Lost: Episode 4.11 "Cabin Fever" General Thoughts

[jbragg]

Again, I need to make clear...island time does not necessarily (and doesn't) correlate to freighter time. I am just talking about what happened on the freighter. The real clues here are the TWO times (one night, the other day) we see Keamy's men cart off Mayhew (once after he's already been declared dead by Lapides!), the conversation between Desmond and Sayid about him not being wounded by gunfire after Sayid surely overheard Keamy blame the black smoke and the instant chang of time of day when Keamy storms off to abuse Michael (pitch black, night) and minutes later entering Gault's cabin where you can clearly, albiet very briefly, see broad daylight outside through the captain's porthole.

Another clue here is the day and time that Daniel sends the message about the doctor and the day and time that Omar receives that message.

BTW, I was just having fun with the metronome reference. It is a prop CONSTRUCTED from a KORG MA-30. I am sure it's just a bit of an inside joke for those of us with a musical background.

[Talontbo]

hey Jbragg

I here what you are are saying.. I do... really..

But you first post eluded to a missing time span.. or two time lines...

the time line.. starting from last episode.. and Monster..

Night.... Monster
Morning Keamy Doctor.. broken man... hiding Sawyer and gang
Night.... chopper lands in ship... Keamy very mad....
morning... dead guy moved... Sayid wants raft
Night... armory raided.. guns ready.. chopper fueled... Take of...

Island...
Night.. Monster sent by Ben
Morning.. Sawyer and gang Hide as Doctor meet keamy
Night... Ben Locke Hurley make camp
Morning.. Locke knows where to go.. thankyou Goodspeed..
Night.. Cabin... Christian and Weird Claire..

so the two correlate.. almost exactly.. with one minor sticking point...

THE CALL FROM THE BEACH... MORSE CODE... DOCTOR DEAD...

this one thing is the Monkey in the Wrench... how do you explain this???? I ask rhetorically... because I haven't a clue...

but I did start a new thread... it is a very fringe thought I had... but could explain a lot... go read it...if you have seen the original movie it would be of greater importance.. but it is an obscure SciFI... old ... so maybe you haven't...

we may not have two time lines... in a single time line...

we may be seeing... two versions of two time lines... joined together.... a positive and a negative... White and Black... this whole show could actually be... TWO SHOWS IN ONE.....

[Talontbo]

hey Jbragg..

just a few examples that may point to this..

Ben brings Juliette to the flame..Ben shows her a Video of her sister.. Healthy Cancer Free.. and with her son..

but what Juliette doesn't know.. is her real sister dies.. what she is seeing is her sisters Opposite.. opposite in all way.. Healthy and a mother...

Jack... the jack we know see the Sox win the Series... but the Opposite Jack... knows this can't be... and knows he is in the wrong place.. needs to get back...

Hurley.. he feels something is wrong... we are all dead... he can't place it yet... but something is just not right... it the wrong Hurley in the right place..

I have more.. as I think this through... but i want to do some re-watching to shore up this theory...

[buddytvgina]

it's so sad but i JUST found time to watch this episode today. i can't believe i waited this long. i don't know what to make of this episode. it brought up so many questions that my head is spinning. MOVE the island? really?! i had a hard enough time accepting a polar bear.

[lost_grrl]

I think I have to agree with Talontbo here that the time line is explainable and consistent.
The initial shot of Keamy and Crew landing on the deck is CLEARLY NOT the middle of the night. It is, as indicated in the establishing shot, near daylight. So all of the stuff going on with the dead guy is taking place as dawn breaks, thus it appears like many hours apart, when it could be much, much closer in time. Dawn breaks fairly fast on the open water.

As for the daylight "Mayhew just died scene"(18:20) Mayhew was clearly still alive when carted off the chopper and the doc obviously worked on him on the deck rather than moving him off deck. He is not on the chopper in that second scene (20:12), but rather is being lifted off the DECK on a gurney.

The second establishing shot is dusk of that day (this actually DOES CORRELATE with the island time...John at 21:50 mentions that it will be dark soon shortly before we see the ship again, at dusk...sorry mate, I see no time problem with the events that took place on the freighter...go check it out again...clearly dawn, with Mayhew alive, but seriously wounded...the daytime stuff goes down, Mayhew dies and then is moved off the deck, etc... then the dusk shot.

[jbragg]

Try this: bring up the show at 3:52
Dead of night, pitch black.....Keamy and men arrive on the Kahana and remove one man (Mayhew) and a cart him to sick bay with his guts hanging out. Keamy says, within earshot of Sayid, "A black piller of smoke, threw him fifty feet in the air...ripped his guts out."

Skip forward to 31:48
Kahana dead of night. Chopper being loaded for the return trip.

Pretend this sequence of events take three hours, at most, based on when they left the Island after Lapides meets Sawyer and gang. Fill in the other events based on the Kahana during that timeframe based on what we've seen during the show, only pretend they are all happening in that two hours.

Now this time start with:
20:12
On deck in broad daylight........we see the same man taken from the chopper, this time with a blanket over him. The same set of events slightly altered. And apparently, Sayid and Desmond are talking about having overheard that his injuries resulted from a gunshot.

And it all happens again except this time during no more than two hours of the daytime. Play all of the daytime footage and imagine that just after Sayid takes off in the raft, Keamy comes storming up to the chopper as his boys are loading up, shoots Gault, cuts the doctor's throat and he and Frank take off to the island. All during the daylight.

Except LOST left that bit out.

But, they did leave in the two times that the chopper arrived on deck and they took Mayhew off in a stretcher filmed at diametrically opposed times of day. Hmmmm.

If you do this you should see what I mean.

I can see that they shot all the scenes twice at different times of the day with slightly different stuff going on like at night: Keamy didn't notice Sayid and told the doctor about the smoke. During the daytime version Keamy tells the poor doc it was gunshots as he sees Sayid approach. Clearly, to me as a video professional, they shot the same scenes twice and intermingled the versions to create a roughly linear "version" of the events that roughly followed what we saw on the island timeline.

Time relative to the island changes based on the direction you approach the island. This is why bearing is so important as you as you go between the outside world and the island. Things, I believe, are slipping backwards forwards and sideways.

[jbragg]

Originally Posted by lost_grrl

why would a metronome be threatening?

It really wouldn't be. Except for a drummer!

[Talontbo]

hey Jbragg.

as a video professional let me ask you... is it possible to shot a multi camera shot at to different times of the same scene (reshoot).. and in the editing room..splice the scene together... and still have not have meant there to be a meaning for a subtle variation??


as I have tried to point out in the past... Being so linear... as i am... when you segment... or focus on a single section of a story line.. the interpretation of that single moment can be distorted or taken out of context... as a stand alone moment it can be viewed so many things...

You have to start from the moment Smoke Monster appears.. this is the defining start moment.. or better yet... a couple episodes back when we see the chopper missing...and the mysterious deaths of Carl, Rousseau and Alex..screaming.. but this start point is a bit more vague.. though working backwards we can no establish the day...

but Monster night is easily the best place to start.. and I see not real time line flaw... or duplicate...when i start here..it is linear.. and it jells perfectly..

Night
day
Night
day
Night

this is reflected on Island...

with as I mentioned.. the Monkey in the Wrench... The Sat Phone Morse Call... and the hours later conversation and death of the Doctor...

this would tend to show a Island/Ship discrepancy.. especially when taken with its supposed moment on Island...

but I have tried to provide a possible answer... this is not so much about a time line variation.. but a 2 places at the same time theory...

talk about ... not linear.....

what if.. from day one.. CRASH... we have not been seeing... one Island.. what if we have been seeing 2??? or the same..... but in separate realities... (so yeah... 2)... so similar as to be almost Identical... that some of these tiny time things we keep seeing is in fact because we are seeing one set of island happenings.. one moment.. and the next moment...we are in fact seeing the other Island.. but it is so similar we can't really tell them apart... yet....

[jbragg]

Talontbo,

It is possible to do the shoot that way, just extremely sloppy, unprofessional and incredibly amatuerish. This show is anything but. Thes guys are at the top of their game. If they actually meant to have those scenes on the frieghter represent one or two days of real time, that was some of the worst editing I've ever seen to do it. So hence, my conclusion. And yeah, they could have been doing this since the beginning. And we're only just noticing it now.

I'm positive they meant to do this. And what you describe at the end...two separate island qualifies as the two separate timlines. Look for more time weirdness in the next episodes. Such as helicopter leaving ship and arriving on island at night and Sayid leaving ship in daylight (before copter leaves Kahana), arriving on island in daylight and being told that the copter arrived "last" night.

[o_g_showtime]

Hi jbragg
I personally don't understand why your theory is not so plain to everyone. You have stated it simply and I must say it is a plausible observation. I think that too often we all spend a lot of time trying to find the tiny sparrow that we miss the massive tree in front of us.
cheers