Tom getting off the island

[Elessar]

Tom is on the island for Stranger In A Strange Land (day 73) and Par Avion (day 80).

How does he have time to get off the island and back again in such a short space of time? And not only that, but Jack doesn't notice that he's gone, and has got to know him well enough since his return to start playing football with him!

Also, Michael didn't leave the island until day 67. That doesn't really leave much time for him to get rescued, lose Walt, attempt suicide, wake up in hospital....

Continuity errors or more time dilation?

[jimmy12345]

Errors with your math maybe? That's not me being an arse and saying it but any dates you have are only guess-timates, so who knows. Maybe he went whilst Jack was still being hostile with Ben etc etc.

PS, 1000th post. Wooooooooooooooooooooot

[mugatu22]

I see this as time dilation due to the perceived time differences between the "real world" and "island time." Hell, the writers have made this pretty clear with the payload rocket time sequence delay.

[lost_grrl]

Originally Posted by mugatu22

I see this as time dilation due to the perceived time differences between the "real world" and "island time." Hell, the writers have made this pretty clear with the payload rocket time sequence delay.

We don't know for certain that the "time bubble" right around the island is applicable to the outside world. Remember that both Desmond and Penny experienced his phone call on the same day (dec 2004) and that when Sayid saw the date on the calendar on the ship, there wasn't a big "OMG Where did the time go??" The date corresponded to the time on the island.

As for the original question about Tom, the answer is simple--air travel. He is gone for 5 days--at least parts of the fifth day...he can play football on the day he returns

And Michael--he didn't "lose" Walt as in have him formally taken away by the courts. Michael told Walt (probably while drifting aimlessly waiting for the rescue boat that Ben most likely sent for them) that he had killed Libby and Anna Lucia and because of that Walt didn't want to live with his dad anymore. That probably happened as soon as they got back, Michael decides to kill himself, spends a couple of days in the hospital and then meets Tom on day 75.

[tailhook]

Originally Posted by lost_grrl

We don't know for certain that the "time bubble" right around the island is applicable to the outside world. Remember that both Desmond and Penny experienced his phone call on the same day (dec 2004) and that when Sayid saw the date on the calendar on the ship, there wasn't a big "OMG Where did the time go??" The date corresponded to the time on the island.

As for the original question about Tom, the answer is simple--air travel. He is gone for 5 days--at least parts of the fifth day...he can play football on the day he returns

And Michael--he didn't "lose" Walt as in have him formally taken away by the courts. Michael told Walt (probably while drifting aimlessly waiting for the rescue boat that Ben most likely sent for them) that he had killed Libby and Anna Lucia and because of that Walt didn't want to live with his dad anymore. That probably happened as soon as they got back, Michael decides to kill himself, spends a couple of days in the hospital and then meets Tom on day 75.

Of course.. all this discussion is grounded in linear time 3-dimensional travel thinking.

Lets assume there is a device.. island technology.. or even that Jacob has the ability... to displace objects to any point in 4 dimensional space of the known space-time continuum(everything that isn't part of the island). Actions are governed by The Island and should someone attempt to change history and/or cause a paradox they will be prevented from doing so.

Knowing this.. Tommy Boy gets tasked with bringing Michael back into the fold. He gets displaced to New York and sets Michael straight. Now.. to illustrate the power of getting displaced he parties for the next 6 months. At the end he gets instructed to come back to the island and gets displaced... to 1 minute after he actually left. He has aged 6 months physically but only 1 minute relatively. Now we encounter him on up through his death and since he never leaves the island he never meets up with himself partying in New York. For him the time is linear but in reality there are 2 different versions of him.. one on the island.. and one in the 4 dimensional space-time continuum.

Ramifications... if its true that the island freezes your aging(especially if it exists outside of the space-time continuum).. as denoted by Richard Alpert.. then Ben has to have spent a good deal of time off the island while it appears he was there all along. As long as the excursions weren't too long.. and he mixed it up with extended island stays.. it would just appear that he aged faster then other kids. Figure a 1-year trip in 4-space with a 1-minute gap in Island Time followed by a 6-month Island stay through adolescence followed by shorter stays in adulthood. It would certainly explain why Benji looks like a 55 year old.. when in 4-space time he would be in his early 40's.

Its also why Miles believes that Ben can get the money he wants. Hmm

HAHA... I just figured out given my main theory why Miles wants exactly $3.2 million. Its really the only thing it could possibly be. I now also understand why Ben is having Sayid kill people.

Always wanted to do this.. GOING TO BED! NIGHT! MUWAHAH.

(and yes i'm serious about knowing)

-TH

[rivum]

ok spill it TH....
you've definitely got my interest piqued.
what you're saying is making a lot of sense to me..

[tailhook]

Originally Posted by rivum

ok spill it TH....
you've definitely got my interest piqued.
what you're saying is making a lot of sense to me..

a) $3.2 million dollars is the cost to the individual by Whitmore's crew to buy your way to the island and be allowed to survive the extinction. Not that you aren't going to have to pass other tests to go, like say doing missions for them, but assuming you do you'd better have $3.2 million to pony up when the time comes. This is why he is willing to lie about finding Ben. The only thing Miles truly cares about is surviving the extinction.

b) Since $3.2 million dollars won't mean anything after the extinction its mainly to help with the overall cost of actually transporting and moving people and material to the island. Facilities have to be built.. boats have to be bought or built... people have to be paid off not to keep a log if a set of big ass ships happens to leave.

The reason why the Economist is so important is not really because he manages just the money.. but he also manages who goes, how many go, the resources they need to support their people that go. Take too many and the island can't support you. Take too few and you leave population on the table.

The first part of my theory was that Whitmore gets a foothold on the island and expels the Oceanic 6 at the end of the season. What Ben is trying to do back in the Real World is kill the main people responsible in the Whitmore organization for organizing the exodus in order to prolong it long enough to take the island back.. with Sayid as the primary assassin.

Assuming these 'powers' are reality... its also why it was critical that Charlotte and Daniel had to shut down The Tempest and their mission was to find Ben Linus. If they didn't... at any point between now and extinction Ben could slip back onto the island.. activate the gas killing everyone who had since setup shop in preperation for the extinction and kill everyone on the island while taking the island back with little trouble. It was his 'failsafe' for if everything went wrong.

-TH

[berz]

Originally Posted by tailhook

a) $3.2 million dollars is the cost to the individual by Whitmore's crew to buy your way to the island and be allowed to survive the extinction. Not that you aren't going to have to pass other tests to go, like say doing missions for them, but assuming you do you'd better have $3.2 million to pony up when the time comes. This is why he is willing to lie about finding Ben. The only thing Miles truly cares about is surviving the extinction.

b) Since $3.2 million dollars won't mean anything after the extinction its mainly to help with the overall cost of actually transporting and moving people and material to the island. Facilities have to be built.. boats have to be bought or built... people have to be paid off not to keep a log if a set of big ass ships happens to leave.

The reason why the Economist is so important is not really because he manages just the money.. but he also manages who goes, how many go, the resources they need to support their people that go. Take too many and the island can't support you. Take too few and you leave population on the table.

The first part of my theory was that Whitmore gets a foothold on the island and expels the Oceanic 6 at the end of the season. What Ben is trying to do back in the Real World is kill the main people responsible in the Whitmore organization for organizing the exodus in order to prolong it long enough to take the island back.. with Sayid as the primary assassin.

Assuming these 'powers' are reality... its also why it was critical that Charlotte and Daniel had to shut down The Tempest and their mission was to find Ben Linus. If they didn't... at any point between now and extinction Ben could slip back onto the island.. activate the gas killing everyone who had since setup shop in preperation for the extinction and kill everyone on the island while taking the island back with little trouble. It was his 'failsafe' for if everything went wrong.

-TH

Makes sense.

[Gartism]

TH earns his signature badge.

Love it

[clueless1der]

my brain just exploded



*pffft.*