Paikin It In....

Talontbo · 03-21-2008, 09:25 AM

going back to do some visual research...

I can not emphasize strongly enough how important the Rolex is... I have thought all along, that Jin's mission to deliver this watch to someone in the U.S. is somehow tied to person or persons of great power... Mr. Paik's instructions to Jin were rather adamant... Jin's future was on the line...

Now it reappears in N. Y. and is traded for the handgun... one that will not work for Michael so it would seem...

And yet we were given the visual of the inscription... in Korean no less... this was not a little moment... its a serious clue as to WHO the watch was for..

Perhaps Shannon's father.. who's wealth is now controlled by Boone's mom..

In an event... it resurfaces... and somehow I can't help thinking the show used a different watch... I am going to go back and look.... seems I have a visual stuck in my head of the first watch.. and I can't shake the image of the Rolex's band... the first one looks as though it was a Jubilee style... and the one last night was the Oyster... distinctly different... and yet that really means nothing in the grand scheme of things... Its the iconic symbolism of the watch and its purpose....

What message will it convey... ????

Mr. Paik... once again makes this episode wonderful in its mystery.....

erikau · 03-21-2008, 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Talontbo

In an event... it resurfaces... and somehow I can't help thinking the show used a different watch... I am going to go back and look.... seems I have a visual stuck in my head of the first watch.. and I can't shake the image of the Rolex's band... the first one looks as though it was a Jubilee style... and the one last night was the Oyster... distinctly different... and yet that really means nothing in the grand scheme of things... Its the iconic symbolism of the watch and its purpose....

Assuming you are right and there are two different watches, it could actually be very important, as it could be evidence of a time loop... (Kate's freckles/no freckles)

Talontbo · 03-21-2008, 09:53 AM

hey Erikua,

as of this moment.. I am watching last nights episode.. the Rolex shown on Micahaels wrist when he is sitting in the apt. writing his Fare Well to All especially Walt note... It looks as though it is a 18k Two-Tone Rolex Daytona... Dating this watch is nearly impossible due to Rolex's established practice of maintaining designs for long periods of time... The Date letter is located between the lugs (ears band fits into) and can only be accessed by removing the band... or... verifying the paper work that accompanies all new Rolex's.. and is encoded using a simple alpha numeric system..

ROLEXWATCH
1234567890

When I am finished with this episode I will go back and review earlier season to confirm a change.. if any..

However.. I still find this to be inconsequential... The Korean message is the real gift we were given... would love to have a translation....

lost_grrl · 03-21-2008, 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by erikau

Assuming you are right and there are two different watches, it could actually be very important, as it could be evidence of a time loop... (Kate's freckles/no freckles)

What about Kate's freckles? Are you talking about her not having visible freckles during court? I haven't heard anything about freckles, but can only think of that. If that is it, then I promise you the answer is not a time loop, but make-up, which she wouldn't wear on the island but would wear to court.

Talontbo · 03-21-2008, 10:12 AM

forget the Freckles...

The watch Michael has on the first few days after the Crash... is indeed a Rolex Daytona.. Its the classic 18k stainless steel 2tone... with what appears to be the classic white dial... Actually a very nice watch.. though I prefer my Subby... and yet a Daytona would be nice... The first images I saw of Michael wearing the watch seems to make it look like the Day-Date President.. perhaps lighting was a factor in some of the distance shots I saw...

So.. same watch... no question.. now... what does that Frackin Message in Korean say...

TRANSLATION CRITICAL....

I know I will not be able to let this go... Mr. Paik is unquestionably powerful... that watch was being delivered to the U.S....

To Whom??
And Why???

now its in a pawn shop in N.Y.... odd trail for such a watch... a watch that had a purpose...

erikau · 03-21-2008, 11:02 AM

Talontbo,

According to Lostpedia, the inscription says, "Congratulations...mutual cooperation...business development...Mr. Paik"

Thus, I'd say that the one Jin delivered in Sydney and the one he was trying to deliver in LA were going to important business associates of Pai...perhaps Hanso and Widmore?

erikau · 03-21-2008, 11:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lost_grrl

What about Kate's freckles? Are you talking about her not having visible freckles during court? I haven't heard anything about freckles, but can only think of that. If that is it, then I promise you the answer is not a time loop, but make-up, which she wouldn't wear on the island but would wear to court.

People have commented that in some scenes or some episodes her freckles are gone, not just the court room scene. Whether this is true I don't know, as I never noticed it myself.

Talontbo · 03-21-2008, 11:23 AM

hey Erikua,

thanks for the translation... not sure whether its correct or not... there seems to bit a bit of difference between North Korean and South Korean structure... what my seem innocent in the light could very well be less so in the dark... but for now I will accept it... I am currently attempting to translate on my own... Korean is terribly complex.. at least to me... quite a few sublte and not so subtle nuances. Not the least of which...

Moder South Korean in no longer written in Right to Left columns.. but in a western style Left to Right Row form.. and there are punctuations used, whereas the North does not use them...

so... do we rely on a possible errant translation??? we may have to.... but the inscription looks old school.... not in rows.. but in columns... my quest for the day... teach myself Korean.... LOL....

as for the various stages of appearances... I do not put a ton of faith in these.. Analucia took 4 gunshots ... lost her baby... and yet on the Island... I wasn't able to detect the scars that would have been left over from the initial wounds or the surgery,.... perhaps I just missed it.... like I missed Lockes surgical scar when he showed the exit wound Ben caused.. but then again... I miss so much.... forces me to rewatch shows over and over and over.....

erikau · 03-21-2008, 11:30 AM

The translation makes perfet sense to me, coming from Paik. Especially since we know Jin was delivering the watches to two of his business partners. I think the inscription is very important, but you aren't asking the right questions.

Instead of looking for some clue in the text just take it for what it means: Paik was entering an important business deal with people in Sydney and LA right before 815 crashed, and if the translation of the conversation he has in Korean can be trusted, the business he is dealing with involves forged documents and BIG equipment (like the kind it would take to fake a plane wreck...). This could lead to 2 conclusions: 1) Paik has something to do with the 815 mystery, and so do his yet unknown partners in Sydney and LA, or 2) Paik gave Jin that specific assignment of delivering watches, first in Sydney then straight to LA, as a fake task to get him on flight 815 so that he'd crash on the island.

Either way, that seemingly unimportant inscription really could tell you a lot...

Talontbo · 03-21-2008, 11:39 AM

hey Erikua,

I would love to interpret it as it has already been translated... however.. that isn't who I am...

I just entered the English you provided.. from Lostpedia...

and low and behold... the symbols provided in the translator appear quite different... now that may not mean anything.... but I find it very interesting... does Lostpedia provide the resource for their translation>>>>.??? will have to check that out....

03-21-2008, 09:25 AM	#1
Talontbo Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 538	Paikin It In.... going back to do some visual research... I can not emphasize strongly enough how important the Rolex is... I have thought all along, that Jin's mission to deliver this watch to someone in the U.S. is somehow tied to person or persons of great power... Mr. Paik's instructions to Jin were rather adamant... Jin's future was on the line... Now it reappears in N. Y. and is traded for the handgun... one that will not work for Michael so it would seem... And yet we were given the visual of the inscription... in Korean no less... this was not a little moment... its a serious clue as to WHO the watch was for.. Perhaps Shannon's father.. who's wealth is now controlled by Boone's mom.. In an event... it resurfaces... and somehow I can't help thinking the show used a different watch... I am going to go back and look.... seems I have a visual stuck in my head of the first watch.. and I can't shake the image of the Rolex's band... the first one looks as though it was a Jubilee style... and the one last night was the Oyster... distinctly different... and yet that really means nothing in the grand scheme of things... Its the iconic symbolism of the watch and its purpose.... What message will it convey... ???? Mr. Paik... once again makes this episode wonderful in its mystery.....

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03-21-2008, 09:53 AM	#3
Talontbo Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 538	hey Erikua, as of this moment.. I am watching last nights episode.. the Rolex shown on Micahaels wrist when he is sitting in the apt. writing his Fare Well to All especially Walt note... It looks as though it is a 18k Two-Tone Rolex Daytona... Dating this watch is nearly impossible due to Rolex's established practice of maintaining designs for long periods of time... The Date letter is located between the lugs (ears band fits into) and can only be accessed by removing the band... or... verifying the paper work that accompanies all new Rolex's.. and is encoded using a simple alpha numeric system.. ROLEXWATCH 1234567890 When I am finished with this episode I will go back and review earlier season to confirm a change.. if any.. However.. I still find this to be inconsequential... The Korean message is the real gift we were given... would love to have a translation....

03-21-2008, 10:12 AM	#5
Talontbo Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 538	forget the Freckles... The watch Michael has on the first few days after the Crash... is indeed a Rolex Daytona.. Its the classic 18k stainless steel 2tone... with what appears to be the classic white dial... Actually a very nice watch.. though I prefer my Subby... and yet a Daytona would be nice... The first images I saw of Michael wearing the watch seems to make it look like the Day-Date President.. perhaps lighting was a factor in some of the distance shots I saw... So.. same watch... no question.. now... what does that Frackin Message in Korean say... TRANSLATION CRITICAL.... I know I will not be able to let this go... Mr. Paik is unquestionably powerful... that watch was being delivered to the U.S.... To Whom?? And Why??? now its in a pawn shop in N.Y.... odd trail for such a watch... a watch that had a purpose...

03-21-2008, 11:02 AM	#6
erikau Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Philadelphia Posts: 283	Talontbo, According to Lostpedia, the inscription says, "Congratulations...mutual cooperation...business development...Mr. Paik" Thus, I'd say that the one Jin delivered in Sydney and the one he was trying to deliver in LA were going to important business associates of Pai...perhaps Hanso and Widmore?

03-21-2008, 11:23 AM	#8
Talontbo Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 538	hey Erikua, thanks for the translation... not sure whether its correct or not... there seems to bit a bit of difference between North Korean and South Korean structure... what my seem innocent in the light could very well be less so in the dark... but for now I will accept it... I am currently attempting to translate on my own... Korean is terribly complex.. at least to me... quite a few sublte and not so subtle nuances. Not the least of which... Moder South Korean in no longer written in Right to Left columns.. but in a western style Left to Right Row form.. and there are punctuations used, whereas the North does not use them... so... do we rely on a possible errant translation??? we may have to.... but the inscription looks old school.... not in rows.. but in columns... my quest for the day... teach myself Korean.... LOL.... as for the various stages of appearances... I do not put a ton of faith in these.. Analucia took 4 gunshots ... lost her baby... and yet on the Island... I wasn't able to detect the scars that would have been left over from the initial wounds or the surgery,.... perhaps I just missed it.... like I missed Lockes surgical scar when he showed the exit wound Ben caused.. but then again... I miss so much.... forces me to rewatch shows over and over and over.....

03-21-2008, 11:30 AM	#9
erikau Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Philadelphia Posts: 283	The translation makes perfet sense to me, coming from Paik. Especially since we know Jin was delivering the watches to two of his business partners. I think the inscription is very important, but you aren't asking the right questions. Instead of looking for some clue in the text just take it for what it means: Paik was entering an important business deal with people in Sydney and LA right before 815 crashed, and if the translation of the conversation he has in Korean can be trusted, the business he is dealing with involves forged documents and BIG equipment (like the kind it would take to fake a plane wreck...). This could lead to 2 conclusions: 1) Paik has something to do with the 815 mystery, and so do his yet unknown partners in Sydney and LA, or 2) Paik gave Jin that specific assignment of delivering watches, first in Sydney then straight to LA, as a fake task to get him on flight 815 so that he'd crash on the island. Either way, that seemingly unimportant inscription really could tell you a lot...

03-21-2008, 11:39 AM	#10
Talontbo Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 538	hey Erikua, I would love to interpret it as it has already been translated... however.. that isn't who I am... I just entered the English you provided.. from Lostpedia... and low and behold... the symbols provided in the translator appear quite different... now that may not mean anything.... but I find it very interesting... does Lostpedia provide the resource for their translation>>>>.??? will have to check that out....