The Good, the Bad, and the Island

[Talontbo]

well... Tailhook tried to address the Log issue thatWidmore now owns... one I might add was previously owned by a Dharma Founder if I am not mistaken... somehow... as Pitchy pointed out.. they knew the location of Tempest.. and yet... Naomi never mentions Looking Glass.. Juliette did that when explaining the jamming signal... I think....

But isn't at least reasonable to think.. the ambushers might have been heading to the barracks.. a Dharma location... to look for Ben... and stumbled upon Alex, Karl and Rousseau??? it was as Ben said... A Day and a Half away to Temple... and yet we only gett he impression its the next day... less than 24 hours... so the Trio would not have been as close to Temple as some posters seem to think.. and this tends to discount it being the Others.... at least to me anyway...

[Pitchy]

To me, it's not so much that they knew WHERE the Tempest was, but what was there, what it was used for and how to shut it down. They even knew that Ben had gassed all of DHARMA during the Purge. That tells me that they have a lot more knowledge about the island than what we are aware.

[erikau]

Originally Posted by Pitchy

To me, it's not so much that they knew WHERE the Tempest was, but what was there, what it was used for and how to shut it down. They even knew that Ben had gassed all of DHARMA during the Purge. That tells me that they have a lot more knowledge about the island than what we are aware.

It tells me that they have a lot more knowledge about DHARMA, not the Island. The Tempest was a Dharma lab, the only things shown on their map were Dharma labs. As far as we know, the Temple has nothing to do with Dharma, as I assume it precludes Dharma, and so I don't think any of the freighters would have known about it specifically. I'm sure Charlotte and others have knowledge, but I'd say it's whatever they could get from whatever is left of the Dharma Initiative.

[Pitchy]

Look closely and tell me that the Temple has nothing to do with DHARMA

Also, Charlotte knows where the barracks is, she has a GPS enabled satellite phone, so she could be marking points of interest on the island.

[erikau]

Originally Posted by Pitchy

Look closely and tell me that the Temple has nothing to do with DHARMA

Also, Charlotte knows where the barracks is, she has a GPS enabled satellite phone, so she could be marking points of interest on the island.

Ahhhh, maybe it does. BUT, does the shape of the Temple come from the DHARMA logo, OR is the DHARMA logo based on the Temple?

And sure she does, but they were probably on the map, as they were the DHARMA homes. That is possibly true about the phone, but why would a random spot on that random trail be a point of interest random as in not particularly significant)? Whoever was shooting was waiting in the trees, ambush style. Why were they waiting there in particular is all I want to know, since no one on the freighter should have known that anyone, let alone Alex, would be there at that time.

[tailhook]

Haven't caught up with this thread in a while *cracks knuckles*

Originally Posted by Pitchy

Sure I can... why would Ben feed them the information to find the island, locate his daughter and take her hostage when their mission is to capture him?

He didn't expect her to get taken hostage. He was trying to kill her without actually doing it himself.

Originally Posted by Pitchy

I doubt Ben would ever put Alex's life in jeopardy

She has become a liability since the freighter crew started setting up shop. Its pretty clear that the island is probably going to be lost to him for a period of time causing him to regroup elsewhere. If he can't take her along the next best thing is to attempt to remove her from the equation.

Originally Posted by Pitchy

and I also think that he truly believed Danielle would take care of her... she's survived 16 years on the island and avoided the 'hostiles' so she knows how to get around the island without getting noticed.

Eh.. I thought he was just playing it up to Danielle so she'd go along with the plan. It doesn't work if she balks at it and appealing to her motherly protective side with a show of support from Ben is right up his alley to getting her to do what he wants her to do.

The thing that got me was over in the spoiler section, the interview with Blake Bashoff, the actor who plays Carl...

Originally Posted by Pitchy

The good news is you got the Han Solo line before you died: "I've got a bad feeling about this." I think that's a little gift from the producers. What did they tell you when they told you about the scene?
I wish I knew more than what we all saw last night, but it's sort of all shrouded in secrecy. Watching the episode last night, I did notice that [something that we shot wasn't shown]. On the day we filmed it, the people who were shooting at us, there was actually a great shot of the snipers emerging through the jungle in these incredible, elaborate, jungle camouflage uniforms. And I don't know if you got a sense of that last night or not—I think you just saw movement in the trees.

Yup.. still sounds like Keamy and the gang. Keep in mind we've never seen him out on the hunt. He's obviously not stupid and most likely military trained.

Originally Posted by Pitchy

That doesn't seem like the work of Ben and his band of merry others. That seems more like a little hit squad with a mission similar to what Miles said, kill everyone on the island and capture Ben.

Sure.. but if that was their intent they could have just done it. This was a specific mission to a specific point and I didn't see no temple.. that takes advance intel concerning movements of the expected target that they aren't going to have on file.

-TH

[Talontbo]

seems to me... if Ben wanted Alex killed.. without doing it himself.. then he wouldn't really care either way... if captured.. all he has to do is say.. go ahead... kill her...

As of right now she doesn't know where Temple is... but, by sending her with Karl and Rousseau.. he just provided a MAP...... not smart....

of course.. if Ben wanted TEMPLE to be toasted.. then it was brilliant... but again.. why send Alex... a sacrificial lamb??? only way to get the MAP out of his possession??? maybe.......hehehehe

Fact of the matter is... Ben loves Alex.. and would not offer her up in order to save his own life.... He is cold hearted... but not sub-zero... okay.. maybe ..... if the island demanded it of him, he probably would....

[Pitchy]

Originally Posted by tailhook

He didn't expect her to get taken hostage. He was trying to kill her without actually doing it himself.


She has become a liability since the freighter crew started setting up shop. Its pretty clear that the island is probably going to be lost to him for a period of time causing him to regroup elsewhere. If he can't take her along the next best thing is to attempt to remove her from the equation.

I have never gotten the impression that Ben wants Alex dead. Wanting her out of the way is definitely plausible and something I never really considered until now.

Originally Posted by tailhook

Eh.. I thought he was just playing it up to Danielle so she'd go along with the plan. It doesn't work if she balks at it and appealing to her motherly protective side with a show of support from Ben is right up his alley to getting her to do what he wants her to do.

Good point... that whole scene still is confusing for the way she let Ben act as the father figure when awhile back when Jack had him tied to a tree on the way to the radio tower, she slapped the hell out of him saying that he is not Alex's father. It was strange that it actually seemed like a FAMILY discussion.

Originally Posted by tailhook

The thing that got me was over in the spoiler section, the interview with Blake Bashoff, the actor who plays Carl...

Yup.. still sounds like Keamy and the gang. Keep in mind we've never seen him out on the hunt. He's obviously not stupid and most likely military trained.

When I read that, it sort of re-evaluated my theory that it's Kahana Militia I kept meaning to look up Keamy on Lostpedia to see how they spelled his name, so now I know! I definitely got that sense watching them shoot off a couple of clips with a MP5 that they were paramilitary. We haven't seen or heard from them since Frank left for the island in the chopper, so I just put 2 and 2 together.

Originally Posted by tailhook

Sure.. but if that was their intent they could have just done it. This was a specific mission to a specific point and I didn't see no temple.. that takes advance intel concerning movements of the expected target that they aren't going to have on file.

-TH

I agree with you on that, they shouldn't have advanced intel on movements, but they could easily know who Alex was. Charlotte was with them for a few days, so she could have easily passed on info about who was at the barracks and who to look for first. She knows the location of the barracks, and all she would have to do is trek back, get a GPS coordinate and send that back to the freighter. Despite that, they should already know the location of the barracks since they obviously have information on the stations and their functions. It was pretty incredible that Daniel knew how to get into the Tempest computer and hack away to render the gases inert.

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