People who don't get LOST

[clueless1der]

People who don't get lost have obviously never smoked pot... er... just kidding.

No, but it reminds me of being in school and trying to come up with an idea for something with your friends.... and you're like. And then this should happen... and someone replies with... no, but first this needs to go this way... and then someone else chimes in with the zinger/aka coolest idea ever.


... only these people get paid money.

I think if everyone got Lost, then we wouldn't have anyone to make fun of.

[Gewher]

Originally Posted by vickiev

Different strokes. . .

To get 'into' Lost, you have to be willing to think. That can be a strange concept for people who like to sit idle in front of a television.

Personally, I never got into Seinfeld or Friends - saw maybe three episodes of each and that was more than enough. People I worked with thought I was nuts. . .

If I'm gonna sit on my behind, I prefer to at least exercise my brain

You have just explained the story of my frigging life. Two of my best friends are always making fun of me (not harshly of course) for watching shows that are more intellectually inclined. Alright, so I hate Family Guy, you got a problem with that?

I see it as a balance. I watch Family Guy then I watch Lost.

[Verran]

The funny thing is that while a handfull of elitist fanatics rant about how people are too stupid to "understand" Lost, those "stupid" people now number in the millions, and will ultimately be the ones who determine where your beloved TV show goes. And if the writers aren't careful, those "stupid" people are going to file the show right into the trash.

As someone else already said, it's basically impossible to pick up Lost right now if you aren't already an avid viewer. The viewership is only going down from this point.

People want a show they can follow. They don't want to do 4-8 hours of "homework" every week just to be able to understand 40 minutes of TV. I'm sure the people here wouldn't agree with this, but I sincerely hope you know how small of a percentage you make up. Your vote means nothing on the grand scale.

Lost is getting more and more complicated, more and more unbelievable, and still hasn't answered any "series scale" questions. As a result, people are tuning out.

I really enjoy Lost because it's a well needed departure from the utter TRASH that populates the channels these days, but I have to admit that at this point I just don't hold much hope that it'll actually get to the end. My dad asked me the other day what had happened over the last few episodes of Lost. I stared at him for about a minute, then said "nothing". Any "new" information I presented to him would have taken a half hour to explain. The answers given are always small, complicated, and without a definitive interpretation. All I could give him were theories. As far as any major answers to the mysteries of the island, we've still got nothing. That's probably the reason he doesn't watch anymore. If I didn't already have 3 years invested, maybe I'd stop watching too.

[vickiev]

Originally Posted by Verran

The funny thing is that while a handfull of elitist fanatics rant about how people are too stupid to "understand" Lost, those "stupid" people now number in the millions, and will ultimately be the ones who determine where your beloved TV show goes. And if the writers aren't careful, those "stupid" people are going to file the show right into the trash.

As someone else already said, it's basically impossible to pick up Lost right now if you aren't already an avid viewer. The viewership is only going down from this point.

People want a show they can follow. They don't want to do 4-8 hours of "homework" every week just to be able to understand 40 minutes of TV. I'm sure the people here wouldn't agree with this, but I sincerely hope you know how small of a percentage you make up. Your vote means nothing on the grand scale.

Lost is getting more and more complicated, more and more unbelievable, and still hasn't answered any "series scale" questions. As a result, people are tuning out.

That's rich, come onto a LOST forum and speak in such a condescending manner to it's members.

Originally Posted by Verran

I really enjoy Lost because it's a well needed departure from the utter TRASH that populates the channels these days, but I have to admit that at this point I just don't hold much hope that it'll actually get to the end.

Should I stay, or should I go now?. . . Reminds me of the song - make up your mind dude, are you a Lostie, or a wannabe? It's like being pregnant, either you are, or you're not.

Originally Posted by Verran

My dad asked me the other day what had happened over the last few episodes of Lost. I stared at him for about a minute, then said "nothing". Any "new" information I presented to him would have taken a half hour to explain. The answers given are always small, complicated, and without a definitive interpretation. All I could give him were theories. As far as any major answers to the mysteries of the island, we've still got nothing.

The same could be said of "24" - "The 4400" - "Angel" and ALL of the daytime soaps, to name just a few.

Originally Posted by Verran

That's probably the reason he doesn't watch anymore. If I didn't already have 3 years invested, maybe I'd stop watching too.

Three seasons of a 40 minute show - that's about one work week of the average person. You've invested more of your obviously very valuable time on the crapper in the past three years than you have viewing "Lost." AND you still seek out a forum in which to discuss the show. . .either you're beligerent and have no one else to bother, or you're in that handful of elitist fanatics and are in serious denial.

[Verran]

Originally Posted by vickiev

That's rich, come onto a LOST forum and speak in such a condescending manner to it's members.

Condescending-schmondescending. You see whatever you want to see. You clearly take offense to what I've said on a personal level. That's fine, but that's not how I meant it.

Besides, I don't really care if you don't like it, but I noticed you never claimed it wasn't true. You simply bash me for saying it. The fact is, these people that you think are "stupid" for not liking Lost will only continue to grow, as I (AND OTHERS HERE) have already said. Those millions have a lot stronger voice than the membership of this or any other fan-board. I'm not saying I like it, and quite honestly I don't, but being unwilling to acknowledge that certainly isn't helping your credibility.

But I guess I should just close my account here and never come back. Apparently this place is only for people who say what you want to hear. Disagreeing and rational discussion is obviously not welcome. The fact that I have been a member for months, made multiple pro-Lost posts, and read at least twice a day apparently means nothing. Or at least, it does now that I've "stepped out of line" by questioning anything the show has ever done.

Originally Posted by vickiev

Should I stay, or should I go now?. . . Reminds me of the song - make up your mind dude, are you a Lostie, or a wannabe? It's like being pregnant, either you are, or you're not.

That's utter crap. You couldn't be more wrong.

Are you saying that I either have to agree unquestioningly with everything the writers do or I'm a "wannabe"? If so, then call me a wannabe. I like the show, and I will continue to watch, but I have questioned writing decisions several times in the past and I will again.

Many people said Expose was junk. In fact, I'd say it was an overwhelming majority on this board. Were they all "wannabes"? No. They didn't agree with one part of the show, that's all. It's only black and white if you make it that way.

Originally Posted by vickiev

The same could be said of "24" - "The 4400" - "Angel" and ALL of the daytime soaps, to name just a few.

And I don't watch any of those shows...

Originally Posted by vickiev

AND you still seek out a forum in which to discuss the show. . .either you're beligerent and have no one else to bother, or you're in that handful of elitist fanatics and are in serious denial.

Again, why must it be black and white? Either I support everything TTS says or I must be a troll, is that it? Anyone who disagrees is a troll?

I started reading TTS because I enjoyed seeing interpretations of the episodes and plotlines. I joined the forums for intelligent duscussion of said episodes and plotlines. But I guess you're only welcome here as long as you sing shiny, rave reviews of every episode blindly. How dare I question Lost? I have sinned.

[Gewher]

Originally Posted by Verran

How dare I question Lost? I have sinned.

Yes, you have sinned against the Father, Jacob, the son, Ben, and the holy spirit, Smokie!

Your penance is forty days in the desert, breaking rocks to turn them into bread.

Nah, though, srsly, calm the heck down you all (everybody!). Teehee, this reminds me of the "Quarral Scene" in Julius Caesar, Act IV, Scene III I believe.... goddd, too much studying... And now for my real comments:

I agree with you. Most of the television viewing population (most of the entire population) would not watch LOST. I am surprised at it's poularity, not because it isn't good, in fact it's probably one of the best shows in history, but because people are too busy with their lives to invest half a brain. And LOST requires more than half. It's not really because they are stupid, it is that their priorities lay in other areas. It is true that the general IQ and common sense factors in the lives of many of my own peers, the majority of those who watch LOST, are lower though. With school so readily available, and forced, people just don't care. The baby boomers have also sheltered this generation from the hardships that they faced as children with cellphones and a generous padding of money, giving them no experiences of their own to draw upon. They (we, actually, as I am one as well) never had to think to get themselves up in the world, therfore mindlessness and common senselessness are common. With that said, I believe that LOST's popularity is good for the general population, stimulating the brain as it does. Of course, there's only so much stimulating they can take until they get bored and go back to the crude humor cartoons.

I'm hoping I haven't offended anyone here, this is just my two cents on how the world works right now. But I'm only 15, what do I know right? Haha

[vickiev]

Oh please, don't get your undies in a wad!

What, you want proof? Yes, Lost's ratings have sunk a bit after season one, but it's not a bottom feeder:by any means.

14.6 MILLION viewers isn't chump change,

Ratings LOST

Seasonal USA rankings (based on average total viewers per episode) of Lost on ABC

Season

Timeslot (EDT)Season Premiere

Season Finale

TV Season

Rank

Viewers
(in millions)

Wednesday 8:00PM
September 22, 2004
May 25, 20052004-2005

#14

16.1[52]

Wednesday 9:00PM
September 21, 2005
May 24, 2006

2005-2006

#14

15.5[53]

3

Wednesday 9:00PM
(from October 4, 2006 to
November 8, 2006)

Wednesday 10:00PM
(from February 7, 2007 to
May 23, 2007)
October 4, 2006
May 23, 2007

2006-2007

#17

14.6[54]

It copied a bit sloppy due to formatting, but u get the idea

No, you don't have to agree with everything to be active in a forum - debate is fine and welcome - it induces thinking, BUT to imply that we are a handful of idiots and the people who don't watch Lost are the smarties who aren't wasting their time. . .


As far as people on THIS forum dissing Expose - Dude, it's a LOST FORUM!


If you want to step out of the sandbox, cause I called you out for ragging on us, don't let me stop you. On the other hand, if you want to hang out and contribute without implying that we're on a freaking sinking ship and the show will get canceled before we ever find out what the hell it's all about, then hang in there.



You can't go through life throwing punches if ya can't take one.

[Verran]

Originally Posted by vickiev

What, you want proof?

No, I don't want proof. Proof of what? I never asked for anything, and I the only things I disputed were the things you said about me specfically. I don't know who you feel the need to "prove" that to, but maybe it's yourself.

All I said was that the viewership was waning. You said that yourself. What are we arguing about?

Originally Posted by vickiev

BUT to imply that we are a handful of idiots and the people who don't watch Lost are the smarties who aren't wasting their time. . .

That is so far from anything that either of my posts said that I can't even come up with a response. Again, you see what you want to see. If you read my posts again, you'll see I said nothing even close to that.

Originally Posted by vickiev

As far as people on THIS forum dissing Expose - Dude, it's a LOST FORUM!

Um... that was my point. I'm the one saying disagreeing is OK. You're the one turning on me for speaking down about the show. Remember? Again, you're making my point, so why are we arguing?

Originally Posted by vickiev

If you want to step out of the sandbox, cause I called you out for ragging on us, don't let me stop you. On the other hand, if you want to hang out and contribute without implying that we're on a freaking sinking ship and the show will get canceled before we ever find out what the hell it's all about, then hang in there.

I assume you threw that stipulation in there because you feel that's what my original post was saying. Why is that not allowed? Am I not allowed to say that I don't think Lost will make it to season six? You said yourself the ratings have fallen. It's also been said several times (with more justification) that the chances of any large number of people jumping ONTO the Lost train at this point is unlikely. Given these two things, the question is not whether or not Lost is sinking, because it clearly is. The question is at what rate, and will that rate allow it to stay above water long enough to let out the death rattles that we're all waiting for?

THAT'S the real point I was trying to get to. With viewers falling off and the improbability that brand new viewers will join up at this point, do you think Lost will make it?

The initial response from a group as "in tune" with the show as this might be "OMG, how DARE you imply that Lost would ever die!", followed by jamming fingers in ears and loud humming. I would do so as well at first, because I believe Lost has a great story to tell and I'd really like to hear it. But I was looking for a more mature assessment of the somewhat questionable future of Lost. I guess I might be waiting a while.

Originally Posted by vickiev

You can't go through life throwing punches if ya can't take one.

Says the person whose first response reads like a dictionary definition of "knee-jerk". You called me out pretty bluntly, so I think you should refrain from lecturing about acceptance.

[fourthgen]

Why are we arguing about ratings?

I thought the whole point of the end-date for Lost was to make people shut the hell up about ratings! Even if by season 6 only one million people watch the show regularly, they are committed.

With regards to people not being able to pick up Lost at random points in the series, of course they aren't. Do you expect writers to have to cater for every dumb average Joe to understand the series top to toe? If you want to get into Lost, you watch it from the beginning. This is not The Simpsons guys.

And I'm dead serious when I say, you are not allowed to question Lost's integrity here :P Do you expect anybody here to hate Lost? The one common factor we have is that we love, want to understand, are interested in, are confused in a loving way by LOST.

I honestly can't see how convincing people LOST is not average-dumbass-American-daytime-viewer-friendly enough is going to help.

Sorry if I seem a little frustrated, I am. If the next eight months will be like this I am going to cry we have nothing but philosophy to discuss.