Why is Fenry so surprised about the Yacht?

kellybee · 10-16-2006, 09:08 AM

Hi, first post for a very long time...... my curiosity here is on the same subject as the previous posts, but I'm interested in why nobody has picked up on the following (If you have..... I apologise, I havent read all the posts, its just my lunch break, lol):

Desmond has been on that island for years, his sailboat was sitting not too far from their camp, which is how the other guy in the hatch was getting to it everyday to fix it up. Therefore Desmond's yacht was also there for several years, and it wasnt very well hidden either, Desmond had no issues finding it once he realised the air was clean, and followed his friend.

I refuse to believe that Fenry and co were there for all that time but NEVER came across that yacht, either by boat or by foot. If Fenry has been there all his life he should know that island pretty well, he will know about Desmond being stranded etc, and yet he was shocked that there was a boat there. Desmond tried to get away using the boat, correct me if I'm wrong. Did he not sail away from it only to find himself back there? He described the island as a bubble, or similar. Why then, when he was trying to escape the "Bubble" was he not spotted by the Others, who dont seem to spend a lot of time at home anyways.

Unless Fenry arrived after Desmond, and didnt know he was there in the hatch with the original dude (who says he was one of the ORIGINAL others?), or did know he was there but didnt know HOW he got there (surely he would have attempted to find out using the cameras in the hatch or the voice systems, or by spying etc). Why have Fenry's gang never been in touch with Desmond or his buddy? Or at least why have they not investigated their actions?

I mean..... they sent Ethan to play a passenger with the Fuselage team, why weren't they hiding in the trees watching where the guy in the yellow suit went when he left the hatch every day? They DID investigate the survivors of the black rock, becuse they came in the night and took Alex. Whichever way you look at it, they have kept their distance from Desmonds hatch (the one with supposedly the great task of saving the world every few hours), otherwise they would undoubtedly have come across the yacht too. Fenry knew they were pressing that button every 108 minutes, why then, if it is so important, was he not keeping a closer eye out to make sure it DOES get pushed, what if the man in the hatch had died or went crazy? We all know there are things go pete tong when the button doesnt get pushed. Fenry must know that too.

I think this is very strange, especially as they know a LOT about the plane survivors, their families, their history, carreers, interests etc, yet their lack of knowledge about the yacht kind of throws a spanner in the works. If they had taken even a little look at Desmond they woud know he was a sailor and spent a lot of time at sea. Or that he was racing around the world, and the chances are that he probably got there by boat. In which case they would have looked for the wreckage, or the boat anyway. Unless the survivors of the plane were planted there and the Others were SENT information before their arrival, in which case they might have no idea about Desmond's means of arrival. OR they were lied to by the person that told them about Desmond's arrival, Ie Penny's father.

kellybee · 10-16-2006, 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by kellybee

Desmond has been on that island for years, his sailboat was sitting not too far from their camp, which is how the other guy in the hatch was getting to it everyday to fix it up.

Apologies, I meant the HATCH not the CAMP, see how this show has the whole world in a state of confusion?

RaZrEsHaT · 10-16-2006, 09:19 AM

I think that one problem you are having is that you are basing alot of your theory, or questions on what certain characters say, instead of what they do.

There is alot of lying, or differences of perspective to quote a certain jedi, going on with that island. I would be very hesitant to base any assumption or theory you have on the statements of characters that have either:lied heavily in the past, have something to protect, or are in the habit of being mysterious.

I personally need alot more convincing before I am going to believe almost anything that Ben says.

Your questions, or concerns about any of the issues you bring up not making sense should be a clue to something.

I think the Others feel the safest on their end of the island, for some undisclosed reason (maybe the smoke monster, maye something else) and that the tale section landed close to their safe zone, but the rest of the plane and the Swan Hatch are in a less safe area that they don't patrol as much and know as well.

kellybee · 10-16-2006, 09:43 AM

I really haven't taken what he says literally, for example I was trying (prob badly) to highlight that he was contradicting himself in saying he had been there for ever, but everything else suggests he knows nothing about Desmond or his boat. He was clearly interested, but also clearly didnt know the boat was there until now, he was talking to one of his own when he said "I want that boat".

Even if he had not spent a lot of time on the south end, there is a hatch close by, and common sense tells you that if he knew Desmond were there he would have watched him like he had the plane survivors and those from the Black Rock. Also, he shows no commitment to the importance of the button, so what would he care about two guys in a hatch pressing a button and believing they were saving the world and that the air outside was polluted. I think he was content that the first guy (and his partner, the one that died before Desmond got there) were there doing their thing, pressing the button, but he didnt know Desmond was there. Otherwise he would have looked for the boat. On the same subject Fenry "Knows" a lot about the survivors from the plane but seems not to know about Desmond, therefore I wonder if he was fore-warned of their arrival, but not of Desmonds. Hence no information on him, or his boat. Makes me wonder where their info on the Losties came from, is it since they crashed that this knowledge has come forth or was it SENT to them from a source off the island, either after they got the list of names, or before they crashed?

Hexonxonx · 10-16-2006, 04:20 PM

Unless Ben has an incredibly long lifespan, he wasn't around when the Black Rock ended up on the island. Danielle and her crew didn't arrive in the Black Rock.

Ben not knowing about Desmond's boat doesn't contradict his claim that he's lived on the island his whole life. Ben and the Others could have been aware of Desmond and Kelvin's presence in the Swan and felt confident that neither of them were going anywhere. They weren't a threat in any way. Thus, there was no need to risk exposure by snooping around the southern part of the island all the time and so there was no opportunity to discover a boat being repaired. The counterpoint to this is that Desmond and Kelvin were aware of the Others, thus Desmond's comment about the "hostiles".

The Others were aware of the lostaways' presence in the Swan, as evidenced by Tom's comment to Locke about opening doors they've got no business opening. I wouldn't be surprised if the Others had direct video monitoring of the Swan, perhaps rerouted from its original destination in the Pearl.

cfette · 10-16-2006, 06:33 PM

I think that Ben and the others were aware of the swan hatch and its residents, but for some reason didnt particularly care... I woudlnt be suprised to find out they were monitoring it from the pearl hatch, though...

still, it seemed to me that Desmond's boat was indeed close by, but it seemed to be in a rocky area, and could have easily been well hidden due to natural rock formations unless you got very close to it. perhaps even the tide had to be right to sail out...

there was really never a threat that they needed to investigate until the plane crash, so they probably didnt bother that much... it seemed in season 3 that they were living peacefully in a little community, not doing much work on the island, although that small scene doesnt tell us the whole story, I bet.

10-16-2006, 09:08 AM	#1
kellybee Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 30	Why is Fenry so surprised about the Yacht? Hi, first post for a very long time...... my curiosity here is on the same subject as the previous posts, but I'm interested in why nobody has picked up on the following (If you have..... I apologise, I havent read all the posts, its just my lunch break, lol): Desmond has been on that island for years, his sailboat was sitting not too far from their camp, which is how the other guy in the hatch was getting to it everyday to fix it up. Therefore Desmond's yacht was also there for several years, and it wasnt very well hidden either, Desmond had no issues finding it once he realised the air was clean, and followed his friend. I refuse to believe that Fenry and co were there for all that time but NEVER came across that yacht, either by boat or by foot. If Fenry has been there all his life he should know that island pretty well, he will know about Desmond being stranded etc, and yet he was shocked that there was a boat there. Desmond tried to get away using the boat, correct me if I'm wrong. Did he not sail away from it only to find himself back there? He described the island as a bubble, or similar. Why then, when he was trying to escape the "Bubble" was he not spotted by the Others, who dont seem to spend a lot of time at home anyways. Unless Fenry arrived after Desmond, and didnt know he was there in the hatch with the original dude (who says he was one of the ORIGINAL others?), or did know he was there but didnt know HOW he got there (surely he would have attempted to find out using the cameras in the hatch or the voice systems, or by spying etc). Why have Fenry's gang never been in touch with Desmond or his buddy? Or at least why have they not investigated their actions? I mean..... they sent Ethan to play a passenger with the Fuselage team, why weren't they hiding in the trees watching where the guy in the yellow suit went when he left the hatch every day? They DID investigate the survivors of the black rock, becuse they came in the night and took Alex. Whichever way you look at it, they have kept their distance from Desmonds hatch (the one with supposedly the great task of saving the world every few hours), otherwise they would undoubtedly have come across the yacht too. Fenry knew they were pressing that button every 108 minutes, why then, if it is so important, was he not keeping a closer eye out to make sure it DOES get pushed, what if the man in the hatch had died or went crazy? We all know there are things go pete tong when the button doesnt get pushed. Fenry must know that too. I think this is very strange, especially as they know a LOT about the plane survivors, their families, their history, carreers, interests etc, yet their lack of knowledge about the yacht kind of throws a spanner in the works. If they had taken even a little look at Desmond they woud know he was a sailor and spent a lot of time at sea. Or that he was racing around the world, and the chances are that he probably got there by boat. In which case they would have looked for the wreckage, or the boat anyway. Unless the survivors of the plane were planted there and the Others were SENT information before their arrival, in which case they might have no idea about Desmond's means of arrival. OR they were lied to by the person that told them about Desmond's arrival, Ie Penny's father.

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10-16-2006, 09:19 AM	#3
RaZrEsHaT Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 155	I think that one problem you are having is that you are basing alot of your theory, or questions on what certain characters say, instead of what they do. There is alot of lying, or differences of perspective to quote a certain jedi, going on with that island. I would be very hesitant to base any assumption or theory you have on the statements of characters that have either:lied heavily in the past, have something to protect, or are in the habit of being mysterious. I personally need alot more convincing before I am going to believe almost anything that Ben says. Your questions, or concerns about any of the issues you bring up not making sense should be a clue to something. I think the Others feel the safest on their end of the island, for some undisclosed reason (maybe the smoke monster, maye something else) and that the tale section landed close to their safe zone, but the rest of the plane and the Swan Hatch are in a less safe area that they don't patrol as much and know as well.

10-16-2006, 09:43 AM	#4
kellybee Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 30	I really haven't taken what he says literally, for example I was trying (prob badly) to highlight that he was contradicting himself in saying he had been there for ever, but everything else suggests he knows nothing about Desmond or his boat. He was clearly interested, but also clearly didnt know the boat was there until now, he was talking to one of his own when he said "I want that boat". Even if he had not spent a lot of time on the south end, there is a hatch close by, and common sense tells you that if he knew Desmond were there he would have watched him like he had the plane survivors and those from the Black Rock. Also, he shows no commitment to the importance of the button, so what would he care about two guys in a hatch pressing a button and believing they were saving the world and that the air outside was polluted. I think he was content that the first guy (and his partner, the one that died before Desmond got there) were there doing their thing, pressing the button, but he didnt know Desmond was there. Otherwise he would have looked for the boat. On the same subject Fenry "Knows" a lot about the survivors from the plane but seems not to know about Desmond, therefore I wonder if he was fore-warned of their arrival, but not of Desmonds. Hence no information on him, or his boat. Makes me wonder where their info on the Losties came from, is it since they crashed that this knowledge has come forth or was it SENT to them from a source off the island, either after they got the list of names, or before they crashed?

10-16-2006, 04:20 PM	#5
Hexonxonx Senior Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 180	Unless Ben has an incredibly long lifespan, he wasn't around when the Black Rock ended up on the island. Danielle and her crew didn't arrive in the Black Rock. Ben not knowing about Desmond's boat doesn't contradict his claim that he's lived on the island his whole life. Ben and the Others could have been aware of Desmond and Kelvin's presence in the Swan and felt confident that neither of them were going anywhere. They weren't a threat in any way. Thus, there was no need to risk exposure by snooping around the southern part of the island all the time and so there was no opportunity to discover a boat being repaired. The counterpoint to this is that Desmond and Kelvin were aware of the Others, thus Desmond's comment about the "hostiles". The Others were aware of the lostaways' presence in the Swan, as evidenced by Tom's comment to Locke about opening doors they've got no business opening. I wouldn't be surprised if the Others had direct video monitoring of the Swan, perhaps rerouted from its original destination in the Pearl.

10-16-2006, 06:33 PM	#6
cfette Senior Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 54	I think that Ben and the others were aware of the swan hatch and its residents, but for some reason didnt particularly care... I woudlnt be suprised to find out they were monitoring it from the pearl hatch, though... still, it seemed to me that Desmond's boat was indeed close by, but it seemed to be in a rocky area, and could have easily been well hidden due to natural rock formations unless you got very close to it. perhaps even the tide had to be right to sail out... there was really never a threat that they needed to investigate until the plane crash, so they probably didnt bother that much... it seemed in season 3 that they were living peacefully in a little community, not doing much work on the island, although that small scene doesnt tell us the whole story, I bet.