Right On Doc - Page 2

fixxin2 · 05-30-2006, 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by DocArzt

The producers have nothing to do with the promotion of the show, that is entirely up to ABC. They don't even have control over how the previews are edited. They were quite upset over the clip showing Walt prior to three minutes, for instance.

This is quite surprising that the creators of the show have no control over previews. It seems like that would be included as some sort of "creative content" or "artistic work product" clause in the negotiations between ABC and the producers.

RiverTheBald · 05-30-2006, 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by DarthVibbert

I love LOST, and I agree with Doc completely, but let's all pray Bush dosen't think the show is real and blame Dharma for 9/11, and go to war with the others and losties.

DHARMA and Alvar Hanso are in the Axis of Evil.

I wholeheartedly agree about the finale. Today's society is just so into bashing whatever is very popular, so on one hand I'm glad that it's Lost's turn.

Most of these people don't understand what "Jumping the Shark" even Is.
Lost hasn't done it until George Clooney, Ross and Rachel shows up. pranQster gets it though.

ninezerotwo · 05-30-2006, 11:45 PM

Jumping the shark-not a particularly difficult concept to understand. I guess my point in posting this thread was to let DocArzt know that there are others out there who share his point of view. I know I'll probably get in trouble for saying this to a moderator, but lighten up River. The whole idea behind posting the thread was to point out in a positive way that I agree with Doc, not to call into question the other user's intelligence. Sorry if I took your comment about other users not understanding a very simple statement the wrong way. I guess I should have said something sarcastic and funny about about the Prison Break crew escaping to the island. Yeah, we all "understand" what jumping the shark is, we were just trying to share in Doc's frustration. Sorry if we weren't all clear about that, but come on man, there's enough negativity around the site-no need to insult us lowly users.

RiverTheBald · 05-31-2006, 12:08 AM

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Originally Posted by ninezerotwo

Jumping the shark-not a particularly difficult concept to understand. I guess my point in posting this thread was to let DocArzt know that there are others out there who share his point of view. I know I'll probably get in trouble for saying this to a moderator, but lighten up River. The whole idea behind posting the thread was to point out in a positive way that I agree with Doc, not to call into question the other user's intelligence. Sorry if I took your comment about other users not understanding a very simple statement the wrong way. I guess I should have said something sarcastic and funny about about the Prison Break crew escaping to the island. Yeah, we all "understand" what jumping the shark is, we were just trying to share in Doc's frustration. Sorry if we weren't all clear about that, but come on man, there's enough negativity around the site-no need to insult us lowly users.

Ok, I have a question...
Where, in my post, is it difficult to understand that I was agreeing with you...?

ninezerotwo · 05-31-2006, 12:42 AM

Okay, I don't really want to use this as an IM board(which seems to be happening a lot these days in some of the threads) but I guess I didn't really understand the statement about other users not getting what jumping the shark meant. I didn't really think that it was directed at me, but I have to question the need for such a statement. I guess it stems from the fact that lately there seems to be a lot of negative posts by people condemning other users questions or ideas. I mean I can understand the frustration of reading the same thing in five seperate threads, or in someone asking a question to which the answer is considered common knowledge. But I have to admit (even though I've caught myself slipping into that pattern before) that it kinda ruins the experience. I mean, these forums are open to everyone with an interest in LOST, and while we might not always like what people are saying, I don't think any of us has the right to diminish what anyone else thinks, knows or doesn't know. That's all.
I love this site. I spend more time browsing through it than I probably should. When I come across things that I find ridiculous or "stupid" I just go to another thread and don't bother posting unless I feel I have something to actually contribute. And so do most of the users, I'm sure. But I've come across threads where people are telling other users that they are stupid, questioning whether they've ever watched the show, questioning their ability to understand the show, etc. And I gotta say, it kinda takes away from the experience a little bit. That's why I took the time to start this thread and tell Doc that I agreed with with his front page article. He had a legitimate gripe, and he presented it in a well thought out and respectful manner. If he had written it saying that people were stupid, that they had no understanding, and that they shouldn't use the site -well, I wouldn't have posted. Does that make any sense?
I guess I just took your comment as a negative, and reacted thusly. I really didn't mean any offense. I just wish users would stop bashing other users. This site is, IMO, a great way to explore and try to better understand LOST. And there are as many questions as there are users. They shouldn be encouraged, not discounted or criticized.
I dunno-negativity isn't gonna help any of us put this puzzle called LOST together, so we should all try a bit harder to keep it positive. Maybe, since you're a mod., you can read this and remove the last couple of posts from the thread-I'm sure nobody really cares. And besides, this was supposed to be in support of Doc's article.

pb_docarzt · 05-31-2006, 05:41 AM

Hey NineZeroTwo, very welcome point of view, I think you are in the groove with me and River. Not trying to speak for River here but what I will say is that "Jumped The Shark" is over-used and mis-used so much that the mis-use has proliferated faster then the proper usage. So it's not a slam to users intelligence, it's just saying by and large when people use the term they are using it incorrectly.

In fact, there are few true jump the shark moments. A true JTS is when a show reaches a low, and stays there. I think we'll all agree LOST does not seem to be caught in the gravity of the shark.

ninezerotwo · 05-31-2006, 11:06 AM

Well, then I guess I kinda stuck my foot in it a bit. LOL. I took River's comment as being directed to the other users who had posted on the thread, so maybe I was wrong in that interpretation. Like Doc says, the term "jumping the shark" is an overused one. And, IMO, definitely misused in the case of LOST. I don't really see how anyone could think that about the show. I mean, if there comes a time when the producers stop giving us questions and start going through the motions in order to preserve ratings then it would be deserved. If there was a low point to the season, it's probably the fact that it's over and we have to wait all summer for its return.
I'll admit, I'm a huge fan of the show. That probably gives me a bias when I read negative comments about it. But I, for one, love the fact that each episode teases me with new questions, new possibilities as to what's really going on, on the island. I've never had a tv show hold my attention in the way that LOST does. Well, maybe Hockey Night in Canada during the playoffs (Lord Stanley's Cup-Canada's national treasure-is coming home this year, btw)-LOL. But seriously, LOST has it all-a great storyline with great writing that actually makes people think when they watch it. How many other shows can you say that about? I agree with Doc and River that maybe those who are saying that LOST jumped the shark might be misinterpreting the meaning of the phrase. I just think Doc said it a whole lot better. So yeah, if I misinterpreted what you said, River, i gotta apologize. That said, if someone doesn't like the show, I totally respect that opinion. It's your loss as far as I'm concerned. But hey, you can always watch Friends in syndication. LOL.

05-31-2006, 11:11 AM

doc backing up lost no matter what is a solid business decision.

I'd do it to, regardless of what I actually thought of the finale. Keep the fanboys happy and your traffic will not drop down.

traffic is your friend

ninezerotwo · 05-31-2006, 11:20 AM

I somehow doubt that's his motivation, Falhawk. If you take the time to read his posts among the forums, I think you'll come to the conclusion that he's a fan of the show.

pb_docarzt · 05-31-2006, 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Falhawk

doc backing up lost no matter what is a solid business decision.

I'd do it to, regardless of what I actually thought of the finale. Keep the fanboys happy and your traffic will not drop down.

traffic is your friend

Heh. Yes in general I do support the show, but did you catch my less then stellar, slam ridden appraisal of "Three minutes"? I think you should read that before you accuse me of being a sycophant... I think the title is "How not to lead up to a finale."

Not that I take any offense to the comment, but there is hardly a more vocal fan of LOST. Amongst my slams... S.O.S, Collision, What Kate Did, Dave... the list goes on. I'm not beyond hightlighting a bad job at all.

You seem to know the website business quite well, so I'm surprised you missed the part that controversy drives numbers. If I really wanted to drive traffic I'd publish a big expose on how much the finale sucked.

05-30-2006, 11:45 PM	#13
ninezerotwo Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 37	If I can jump a barrel, I can jump a shark Jumping the shark-not a particularly difficult concept to understand. I guess my point in posting this thread was to let DocArzt know that there are others out there who share his point of view. I know I'll probably get in trouble for saying this to a moderator, but lighten up River. The whole idea behind posting the thread was to point out in a positive way that I agree with Doc, not to call into question the other user's intelligence. Sorry if I took your comment about other users not understanding a very simple statement the wrong way. I guess I should have said something sarcastic and funny about about the Prison Break crew escaping to the island. Yeah, we all "understand" what jumping the shark is, we were just trying to share in Doc's frustration. Sorry if we weren't all clear about that, but come on man, there's enough negativity around the site-no need to insult us lowly users.

05-31-2006, 11:06 AM	#17
ninezerotwo Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 37	JUmping the shark/jumping the gun Well, then I guess I kinda stuck my foot in it a bit. LOL. I took River's comment as being directed to the other users who had posted on the thread, so maybe I was wrong in that interpretation. Like Doc says, the term "jumping the shark" is an overused one. And, IMO, definitely misused in the case of LOST. I don't really see how anyone could think that about the show. I mean, if there comes a time when the producers stop giving us questions and start going through the motions in order to preserve ratings then it would be deserved. If there was a low point to the season, it's probably the fact that it's over and we have to wait all summer for its return. I'll admit, I'm a huge fan of the show. That probably gives me a bias when I read negative comments about it. But I, for one, love the fact that each episode teases me with new questions, new possibilities as to what's really going on, on the island. I've never had a tv show hold my attention in the way that LOST does. Well, maybe Hockey Night in Canada during the playoffs (Lord Stanley's Cup-Canada's national treasure-is coming home this year, btw)-LOL. But seriously, LOST has it all-a great storyline with great writing that actually makes people think when they watch it. How many other shows can you say that about? I agree with Doc and River that maybe those who are saying that LOST jumped the shark might be misinterpreting the meaning of the phrase. I just think Doc said it a whole lot better. So yeah, if I misinterpreted what you said, River, i gotta apologize. That said, if someone doesn't like the show, I totally respect that opinion. It's your loss as far as I'm concerned. But hey, you can always watch Friends in syndication. LOL.

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05-31-2006, 12:42 AM	#15
ninezerotwo Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 37	Okay, I don't really want to use this as an IM board(which seems to be happening a lot these days in some of the threads) but I guess I didn't really understand the statement about other users not getting what jumping the shark meant. I didn't really think that it was directed at me, but I have to question the need for such a statement. I guess it stems from the fact that lately there seems to be a lot of negative posts by people condemning other users questions or ideas. I mean I can understand the frustration of reading the same thing in five seperate threads, or in someone asking a question to which the answer is considered common knowledge. But I have to admit (even though I've caught myself slipping into that pattern before) that it kinda ruins the experience. I mean, these forums are open to everyone with an interest in LOST, and while we might not always like what people are saying, I don't think any of us has the right to diminish what anyone else thinks, knows or doesn't know. That's all. I love this site. I spend more time browsing through it than I probably should. When I come across things that I find ridiculous or "stupid" I just go to another thread and don't bother posting unless I feel I have something to actually contribute. And so do most of the users, I'm sure. But I've come across threads where people are telling other users that they are stupid, questioning whether they've ever watched the show, questioning their ability to understand the show, etc. And I gotta say, it kinda takes away from the experience a little bit. That's why I took the time to start this thread and tell Doc that I agreed with with his front page article. He had a legitimate gripe, and he presented it in a well thought out and respectful manner. If he had written it saying that people were stupid, that they had no understanding, and that they shouldn't use the site -well, I wouldn't have posted. Does that make any sense? I guess I just took your comment as a negative, and reacted thusly. I really didn't mean any offense. I just wish users would stop bashing other users. This site is, IMO, a great way to explore and try to better understand LOST. And there are as many questions as there are users. They shouldn be encouraged, not discounted or criticized. I dunno-negativity isn't gonna help any of us put this puzzle called LOST together, so we should all try a bit harder to keep it positive. Maybe, since you're a mod., you can read this and remove the last couple of posts from the thread-I'm sure nobody really cares. And besides, this was supposed to be in support of Doc's article.

05-31-2006, 05:41 AM	#16
pb_docarzt Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: , , . Posts: 311	Hey NineZeroTwo, very welcome point of view, I think you are in the groove with me and River. Not trying to speak for River here but what I will say is that "Jumped The Shark" is over-used and mis-used so much that the mis-use has proliferated faster then the proper usage. So it's not a slam to users intelligence, it's just saying by and large when people use the term they are using it incorrectly. In fact, there are few true jump the shark moments. A true JTS is when a show reaches a low, and stays there. I think we'll all agree LOST does not seem to be caught in the gravity of the shark.

05-31-2006, 11:11 AM	#18
Falhawk Posts: n/a	doc backing up lost no matter what is a solid business decision. I'd do it to, regardless of what I actually thought of the finale. Keep the fanboys happy and your traffic will not drop down. traffic is your friend

05-31-2006, 11:20 AM	#19
ninezerotwo Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 37	I somehow doubt that's his motivation, Falhawk. If you take the time to read his posts among the forums, I think you'll come to the conclusion that he's a fan of the show.