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View Poll Results: Sylar: Irrational Psycopath or Man on a Mission
Peter 5 29.41%
Ted 7 41.18%
Sylar 0 0%
Some yet-to-be-revealed character 5 29.41%
Terrorists (ok, this has specifically been confirmed to be false, but hey they're to blame for everything, right?) 0 0%
Voters: 17. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 11-21-2006, 10:18 PM   #1
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Here's a twist for you. What if Peter is not the bomb, but Sylar is.....

Sylar, apparently has some ability to absorb powers, just like Peter. Why would Sylar so desperately want Claire? To be able to regenerate. Aside from falling 40 feet and not shedding a drop of blood, as in last night's episode, wouldn't that regeneration come in handy to be exposed to radiation? Ted's radiation is natural in his "special abilities", so it would appear that he is not subject to coming down with a bad case of cancer, unlike his wife.... and unlike Sylar, should Sylar be exposed to radiation. If Sylar were to be able to regenerate, like Claire, radiation exposure isn't such a big thing.

I'm betting that Sylar has some serious side-effects from absorbing special's powers, because they don't come naturally to him. Which is likely why he didn't just unleash his entire arsenal of absorbed powers that we've seen or seen suggested to date: Ice, Flight, Super-Speed, Super Strength, TK. Plus, it might explain why his super memory/intellect, stolen from Charlie, the waitress, wasn't really working that well. I mean, what was his first clue to come to Odessa? Is he reading all newspaper articles? Is he using Chandra's map? It seems that his attack on Claire was not as focused as it could be since he didn't know Claire was a special. Weird incongruities.

Just for the record, I'm really tired of reading the Peter is Sylar lines. I can see it, but this show seems too smart for that, even if you account for "multiple Sylars" like the "multiple Hiros" due to time bending abilities. Let's not forget that Hiro never appeared in reality. He traveled through time and stopped Peter's reality to talk to Peter, minimizing the possibility of a rift. If you've got multiple Sylars roaming around, you've got a serious quantum paradox, and the show ends abruptly.

Enough of that tangent. Unlike the original source of the excessive spoiler that was posted, I don't believe that Peter absorbs and loses control of Ted's power and blows up NYC, I believe that Sylar absorbs Ted's power and sets it off intentionally or alternatively that Sylar is on his own personal mission (to save the world?) by absorbing powers he knows he needs for a battle ahead (with Ted?). I'm leaning heavily toward Sylar the psychopath, but if you accept the spoiler that his name is Paul E Sylar, its anagram is "A Super Ally". I know, that's worth about as much as the bandwidth it's written with, but interesting nonetheless.

Much yet to be learned why and how Sylar slices heads open with laser-like precision (is that supposed to be some really weirdly refined telekenesis or what?), but I'm willing to bet that it comes down to one of two things: there's either a very good reason or he's just a psychopath. A variation on the former would be a shocking twist where Sylar is killing specials so that he can prevent the explosion (needs of the many outweigh the needs of the special few). A more probable variation on the latter (based on the depiction of Sylar as just a sick homicidal freak) is that he wants/needs to kill more and more, and what better way to do it than to set off an explosion that takes half of Manhattan with you.

Maybe I'm myopic, but I don't see Sylar as a religious fanatic that "can't deal with people being supers". That just seems to ring hollow. Let's accept that he's methodical, as evidenced by his targeting and hunting supers across multiple states. That would also be supported by the spoiler that he's a watchmaker. His plan won't work unless all the pieces are in place. There's no ritual to his "work" it's all functional, get in get the job done, move on.

I'm betting there's a lot more to Sylar than some irrational gripe with people different than normals. He's acting like a man on a mission, not a random spree killer. Behavioral analysis would suggest that he's incredibly organized, and that there is a specific function to his murders. They don't appear to be escalating or becoming more frequent. If they were, then it might suggest that he's getting off on the killings. I've seen nothing at all to suggest that.

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Old 11-22-2006, 07:40 AM   #2
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One thing that people dont relize is what Tim Krieg said, when combine the abilities act differently...
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Old 11-22-2006, 07:52 AM   #3
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This is all assuming Sylar absorbs any powers at all...not clear if he does that. I don't think he eats brains either...and the only power he has and will have is telekinesis.

Now, he could conceiveably force someone to use their powers, much like he forced Audrey's gun to her head...that's a likely possibility...but we'll see.
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Old 11-22-2006, 09:44 AM   #4
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This is all assuming Sylar absorbs any powers at all...not clear if he does that. I don't think he eats brains either...and the only power he has and will have is telekinesis.

Now, he could conceiveably force someone to use their powers, much like he forced Audrey's gun to her head...that's a likely possibility...but we'll see.
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Agreed, it's based on an assumption, if it was confirmed, it would be a spoiler, not a hypothesis. I agree that he's not a "brain-eater", although I'd like to know more about what happens to that grey matter after the radical haircuts.

Seriously, do you really believe that the "laser-surgery" he's doing is TK? I don't buy that. Likewise, TK-only doesn't adequately explain the super speed (diner after Charlie) disappearing acts (when Matt's chasing) or the super strength (like with Claire this week), things we've seen him do. Absorption would. I'll concede that the ice on the one victim is a stretch, and could be explained by a defensive move by the victim, so let's ignore that one. I'll also concede that there's no evidence that he's used Charlie's ididic memory/intelligence, so there are certainly some holes in my suggestion, but it seems to fit better than anything else I've heard.

TK his definitely not his only power. Let's not forget that he pushed Claire off, across 20 feet of hallway, and broke her to pieces - with his *shoulder* all while holding the forgetable-cheerless-cheerleader up against the lockers without flinching. Watch it in slo-mo, he doesn't put a hand on her, it's all a backhand motion with mostly his upper arm and shoulder. There's some strength issues there, not JUST TK.

It also doesn't explain why he hit the ground with Peter but walked away - no blood. Everything seems to point to power absorption. Agreed, there's no smoking gun, but I'm not buying TK as the explanation of everything he's done.

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Old 11-22-2006, 09:48 AM   #5
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I'll concede that the ice on the one victim is a stretch, and could be explained by a defensive move by the victim, so let's ignore that one.
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Actually there is no real explanation for the ice yet......the victim was in the middle of eating breakfast, spoon in hand, mouth open......so defensive move? No.....he didn't even know it was coming.
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Old 11-27-2006, 09:40 PM   #6
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Well, after tonight, I think it's pretty clear that he does absorb powers, and that he's just a psychopath. What's not clear is whether he has any native ability or if he starts out with telekinesis ripped from the skull of CSI's SuperDave. Given his remarkable ability to tell that a clock is off by two seconds by barely hearing it, I suspect that he does "feel" the others once he's attuned to what needs a fixin, but everything else is snagged. I think he becomes Dr. Suresh's right hand guy until it becomes clear that he is out of control, at which point Suresh has to go.

Why isn't it next week already. I don't want to wait 7 days for a new episode.
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Old 11-27-2006, 09:54 PM   #7
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Up until a couple of hours ago I was feeling pretty confident that Peter would set off the bomb, I didn't realize that Sylar could actually take powers so if he killed Ted it could easily be him who sets off the explosion
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Old 11-27-2006, 11:20 PM   #8
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Up until a couple of hours ago I was feeling pretty confident that Peter would set off the bomb, I didn't realize that Sylar could actually take powers so if he killed Ted it could easily be him who sets off the explosion
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It Could, very easily. But I began asking myself Why? I'm not entirely sure now that Peter isn't the one who sets off the bomb, but the question becomes who or what is the bomb. I could still see Sylar being the vessle for the bomb, but being "set off" by a battle of titans between him and Peter.

Actually, after tonight, I don't see ANY motivation for Sylar to set off the bomb. There's no agenda for him to do so at this point. (yep, I'm backpedalling on one leg of my own theory). I see the plausibility VERY CLEARLY, but what would he gain by killing thousands if not millions. He's a watchmaker, after all. Methodical, calculating, precise. Bombs are messy and not targeted. I COULD see a possibility of Sylar absorbing the power and losing control in a fight. We'll have to wait and see.

For some fun with Anagrams, Sylar's real name, Gabriel Grey = Bigger Early, but it also = Gay Beer Girl. So much for anagram clues!

If he's later turned by HRG and MM to do some good, perhaps the whole NYC mess is the result a shmoz where everyone converges and interrupts two specials battling it out. In the ensuing mayhem, the bomb, whomever it or whatever it may be, gets set off.

One not so ridiculous chuckle from an offline source suggested that Micah, the technopath, actually builds a bomb. Again, plausible given what we know about his abilities to date, but the story arc that takes us there would be a bit to much of a hairpin turn for primetime broadcast tv, methinks.

Great show tonight. Context helped alot, particularly with Nicole/Jessica and Hiro. He can't go back and change the past, but perhaps someone else can, like Peter...?
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Old 11-28-2006, 11:03 AM   #9
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It Could, very easily. But I began asking myself Why? I'm not entirely sure now that Peter isn't the one who sets off the bomb, but the question becomes who or what is the bomb. I could still see Sylar being the vessle for the bomb, but being "set off" by a battle of titans between him and Peter.

Actually, after tonight, I don't see ANY motivation for Sylar to set off the bomb. There's no agenda for him to do so at this point. (yep, I'm backpedalling on one leg of my own theory). I see the plausibility VERY CLEARLY, but what would he gain by killing thousands if not millions. He's a watchmaker, after all. Methodical, calculating, precise. Bombs are messy and not targeted. I COULD see a possibility of Sylar absorbing the power and losing control in a fight. We'll have to wait and see.

For some fun with Anagrams, Sylar's real name, Gabriel Grey = Bigger Early, but it also = Gay Beer Girl. So much for anagram clues!

If he's later turned by HRG and MM to do some good, perhaps the whole NYC mess is the result a shmoz where everyone converges and interrupts two specials battling it out. In the ensuing mayhem, the bomb, whomever it or whatever it may be, gets set off.

One not so ridiculous chuckle from an offline source suggested that Micah, the technopath, actually builds a bomb. Again, plausible given what we know about his abilities to date, but the story arc that takes us there would be a bit to much of a hairpin turn for primetime broadcast tv, methinks.

Great show tonight. Context helped alot, particularly with Nicole/Jessica and Hiro. He can't go back and change the past, but perhaps someone else can, like Peter...?
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and why if he was just going after there powers why didnt he just rip peter apart when he was on the concrete?
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and why if he was just going after there powers why didnt he just rip peter apart when he was on the concrete?
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Good point, though explainable by his focus on Claire. Peter was in the way, and frankly didn't exhibit any powers. With all the blood, I could forgive Sylar for thinking he was dead. I think he just got sloppy trying to snag the second Cheerleader. Angry, frustrated, and not thinking rationally given that he just wasted time killing Jackie instead of who he intended to get.

What's perhaps more of an out of position plot point is his complete collapse when Eden encounters him. What, has no one ever fought back before? It confirms my thoughts that he is focusing on physical powers, ice, regeneration, memory, strength, telekinesis, etc, rather than more mental/esoteric ones, like time travel and psychic abilities. makes me think that he is missing psychic abilities. It ALMOST seems as though he's on a specific collection-mission. Knowing what he needs to accomplish something specific. As I said above, I believe he has a different purpose ultimately. Perhaps HRG gives him further focus.
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