When Hiro Reversed Time... - Page 2

02-23-2007, 06:15 PM

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of course it was hiro doing it.....he just had his eyes closed the whole time so he didnt see it. Seems like he reversed time and by doing so was able to also reverse the bullets trajectory. The whole sword thing is all psycho-symatic. Hiro thinks he needs it for his ability to work......so he does. He never needed it before, why would he now. Its like a football player thinking that washing his socks will jinx his game. The sword really doesnt mean anything, except its bad ass...and if he thinks he needs it to use his powers he will def get it![/b]

i think there is a reason why he "lost" his powers because if he didn't "lose" his powers because if he didn't he won't have givin the sword much thought

is that better speling for ya :unsure:

Themko · 02-24-2007, 09:05 AM

Yea I dont really think he lost his powers either... I heard or read someting (I think it was on youtube with an interview with the characters that play in "company man" but im not sure) that Hiro's powers are tied to his emotions somehow... I do think that Peter actually stopped time when he froze the tazer prongs, maybe he just excluded Claude from the effect somehow... Maybe future Hiro can actually do that

02-27-2007, 05:16 AM

Some of you guys are real either "young" or " do not understand story telling" or " complete idiots" or " all of the above".

Of course hiro reversed the bullet in the gun!! its been shown that hiro cant concentrate to well now, when he was in the museum trying to steal the fake sword, he tried to stop time but instead slowed it down. Just like that he tried to stop the bullet but reversed time in one particular space. Remember hiro controls SPACE AND TIME, not just time.

Wow how can anyone not figure that out jesus.

And i do believe Peter did the same thing on the roof, he didnt focus properly and stopped time for the tazers or just excluded claude.

02-27-2007, 05:54 AM

OK, I may give you a 3 point shot for saying the Hiro part, you are absolutely right, but you are as dumb as the "smart" guys before you, except for traumatism.

I'm beginning to think that you people don't really pay attention to the episode and are trying to play as if you were the smartest guys in the place, but you're not. havent you people heart when peter and the invisible man (don`t remember his name) talking about sylar??? OK, I'm spanish and I have a few problems understanding some parts sometimes (just a few times per episode), but man, I think I understand english better than some of you people...

the scene is like this: the invisible man attacks peter, he just stops the object that the invisible man is using to attack him. they stop for a second the trainning and the invisible man asks peter if any of his friends has telekinetic powers, peter sais that he doesn't, but then he remembers his fight with sylar, when he threw the locker doors to him at claires highschool.

I even remember a topic in this same forum talking about this part, about peter having one of sylars powers, that may be the telekinetic ability that hi used to stop the attack.

so, smart guys, try watching 2 or 3 times each episode or just shut up, maybe that way you won't suck this much.

02-27-2007, 05:30 PM

woah, so much anger in this room, just chill abit yeah? B)

Now here's my bit on Hiro and Peter's abilities in that episode:

Hiro's ability is linked to his emotions, as many have said, and so he feels kinda useless atm since he couldn't save charlie or the cheerleader (as far as he knows). The sword will give him new focus and confidence in his path to be a true hero.
The situation with Hope and S.R.Gustavson (who incidently plays Patrick Star in Spongebob

) showed that he still can use some of his ability if placed under heavy stress, like a life-threatening situation. To me it seemed like he reversed time on a specific point/object, namely the bullett. Imagine having a remote controller, which you could point anywhere and rewind/fast forward objects. That's how I see it.

As for Peter, I don't think he actually manipulated time at all. If he had only stopped time, objects would continue in their path when he "unfroze" it. Claude is also moving in the background. I think he only stopped the tazer-thingys with telekenisis, and the camera just did a spin for dramatic effect, like the Neo bullett dodge in the Matrix.

03-02-2007, 08:31 AM

I agree with ksuxtc. I think we should consider Ando has a power.

My reasoning is that in Peter's vision in which he is the reason for the nuclear explosion the only people who are also in the vision are people with powers...plus Ando and Simone. After chapter 17, it seems that Simone has a power...so why not Ando?

Granted, Hiro's ability seems to match what happened to the bullet, albeit on a much smaller scale.

03-02-2007, 12:44 PM

I agree. It may be possible that Ando has a previously unexhibited power. I would suggest that you go back to that scene and listen closely to the voice that says "I don't want to die". It sounded like Ando's voice; deeper than Hiro's. Also, although Hiro's power is in fact to control the flow of space and time, Hiro has previously been unable to move objects without touching them even during an altered time flow. The bullet rewinded back into the gun without even being touched by Hiro. Also, Hiro has never before been unaware of when his powers activated. Even when he lost Charlie, Hiro always has been aware of his use of his powers, even if only retroactively. But he didn't know what happened.

Bottom line: there is a power in play here that we have not seen before. Either it's a new extension of Hiro's powers, or Ando has developed a rudimentary self-preservation power.

Either way, I think it's not likely that this is the last we'll see of Ando. He has the Versa, which despite being shameless product placement seems to be somehow important to the duo. Also, because of the interconnected nature of the Hero phenomenon, even people who play minor roles re-emerge in unexpected places and manners. Further, Ando seems unlikely to give up on helping to avert the coming catastrophe. He commented that he was grateful that he had had the opportunity to know the way of the hero - even though he exhibits many classic sidekick characteristics, such as being willing to not ask questions, and is frequently tempted by material pursuits, I can definitely see him taking the Versa to New York and looking for answers...

There is always a place in superhero stories for the normal humans distinguished by nothing but force of will. From Nick Fury to Batman, having no powers doesn't mean that you're useless.

Although I wouldn't be disappointed if the next person Mohinder sought out was Ando!

Edit: Sorry, one more thing. If Hiro had just reversed time to when the bullet was back in the gun without materially altering the situation somehow, wouldn't the gun have fired normally? Making the gun misfire would require more than a rewind... it would require a rewind and an "edit" of sorts. If all you do is rewind, then things turn out exactly the same way a second time.

Michhhy · 03-02-2007, 01:11 PM

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I agree. It may be possible that Ando has a previously unexhibited power. I would suggest that you go back to that scene and listen closely to the voice that says "I don't want to die". It sounded like Ando's voice; deeper than Hiro's. Also, although Hiro's power is in fact to control the flow of space and time, Hiro has previously been unable to move objects without touching them even during an altered time flow. The bullet rewinded back into the gun without even being touched by Hiro. Also, Hiro has never before been unaware of when his powers activated. Even when he lost Charlie, Hiro always has been aware of his use of his powers, even if only retroactively. But he didn't know what happened.

Edit: Sorry, one more thing. If Hiro had just reversed time to when the bullet was back in the gun without materially altering the situation somehow, wouldn't the gun have fired normally? Making the gun misfire would require more than a rewind... it would require a rewind and an "edit" of sorts. If all you do is rewind, then things turn out exactly the same way a second time.[/b]

Yeah, I completely agree, Hiro seemed to not know what happened, and I think if he knew what had happened, or realized that his powers were working, he would've said something. And your right, Hiro didn't touch anything, and I don't think he would've been able to make the bullet misfire.

03-02-2007, 04:42 PM

Of course, Hiro was responsible for it. We have to remember that as much as Hiro is the most eager of all heroes, he is also the one who needs the most practice since he has to focus a lot of emotion to manipulate time the tiniest bit.

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Guest · 03-03-2007, 05:15 PM

What happened there is simple, Hiro did what he did with the clock, just went back a second to the past.
The willingness of survive is what triggered his innate powers...

Ando has nothing to do here, and there is nothing relevant or revealing yet.

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02-24-2007, 09:05 AM	#12
Themko Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 16	Yea I dont really think he lost his powers either... I heard or read someting (I think it was on youtube with an interview with the characters that play in "company man" but im not sure) that Hiro's powers are tied to his emotions somehow... I do think that Peter actually stopped time when he froze the tazer prongs, maybe he just excluded Claude from the effect somehow... Maybe future Hiro can actually do that

02-27-2007, 05:16 AM	#13
Kasperz Posts: n/a	Some of you guys are real either "young" or " do not understand story telling" or " complete idiots" or " all of the above". Of course hiro reversed the bullet in the gun!! its been shown that hiro cant concentrate to well now, when he was in the museum trying to steal the fake sword, he tried to stop time but instead slowed it down. Just like that he tried to stop the bullet but reversed time in one particular space. Remember hiro controls SPACE AND TIME, not just time. Wow how can anyone not figure that out jesus. And i do believe Peter did the same thing on the roof, he didnt focus properly and stopped time for the tazers or just excluded claude.

02-27-2007, 05:54 AM	#14
VICH Posts: n/a	OK, I may give you a 3 point shot for saying the Hiro part, you are absolutely right, but you are as dumb as the "smart" guys before you, except for traumatism. I'm beginning to think that you people don't really pay attention to the episode and are trying to play as if you were the smartest guys in the place, but you're not. havent you people heart when peter and the invisible man (don`t remember his name) talking about sylar??? OK, I'm spanish and I have a few problems understanding some parts sometimes (just a few times per episode), but man, I think I understand english better than some of you people... the scene is like this: the invisible man attacks peter, he just stops the object that the invisible man is using to attack him. they stop for a second the trainning and the invisible man asks peter if any of his friends has telekinetic powers, peter sais that he doesn't, but then he remembers his fight with sylar, when he threw the locker doors to him at claires highschool. I even remember a topic in this same forum talking about this part, about peter having one of sylars powers, that may be the telekinetic ability that hi used to stop the attack. so, smart guys, try watching 2 or 3 times each episode or just shut up, maybe that way you won't suck this much.

02-27-2007, 05:30 PM	#15
Cap. Falcon Posts: n/a	woah, so much anger in this room, just chill abit yeah? B) Now here's my bit on Hiro and Peter's abilities in that episode: Hiro's ability is linked to his emotions, as many have said, and so he feels kinda useless atm since he couldn't save charlie or the cheerleader (as far as he knows). The sword will give him new focus and confidence in his path to be a true hero. The situation with Hope and S.R.Gustavson (who incidently plays Patrick Star in Spongebob ) showed that he still can use some of his ability if placed under heavy stress, like a life-threatening situation. To me it seemed like he reversed time on a specific point/object, namely the bullett. Imagine having a remote controller, which you could point anywhere and rewind/fast forward objects. That's how I see it. As for Peter, I don't think he actually manipulated time at all. If he had only stopped time, objects would continue in their path when he "unfroze" it. Claude is also moving in the background. I think he only stopped the tazer-thingys with telekenisis, and the camera just did a spin for dramatic effect, like the Neo bullett dodge in the Matrix.

03-02-2007, 08:31 AM	#16
Tamon Posts: n/a	I agree with ksuxtc. I think we should consider Ando has a power. My reasoning is that in Peter's vision in which he is the reason for the nuclear explosion the only people who are also in the vision are people with powers...plus Ando and Simone. After chapter 17, it seems that Simone has a power...so why not Ando? Granted, Hiro's ability seems to match what happened to the bullet, albeit on a much smaller scale.

03-02-2007, 12:44 PM	#17
gmonkeylouie Posts: n/a	I agree. It may be possible that Ando has a previously unexhibited power. I would suggest that you go back to that scene and listen closely to the voice that says "I don't want to die". It sounded like Ando's voice; deeper than Hiro's. Also, although Hiro's power is in fact to control the flow of space and time, Hiro has previously been unable to move objects without touching them even during an altered time flow. The bullet rewinded back into the gun without even being touched by Hiro. Also, Hiro has never before been unaware of when his powers activated. Even when he lost Charlie, Hiro always has been aware of his use of his powers, even if only retroactively. But he didn't know what happened. Bottom line: there is a power in play here that we have not seen before. Either it's a new extension of Hiro's powers, or Ando has developed a rudimentary self-preservation power. Either way, I think it's not likely that this is the last we'll see of Ando. He has the Versa, which despite being shameless product placement seems to be somehow important to the duo. Also, because of the interconnected nature of the Hero phenomenon, even people who play minor roles re-emerge in unexpected places and manners. Further, Ando seems unlikely to give up on helping to avert the coming catastrophe. He commented that he was grateful that he had had the opportunity to know the way of the hero - even though he exhibits many classic sidekick characteristics, such as being willing to not ask questions, and is frequently tempted by material pursuits, I can definitely see him taking the Versa to New York and looking for answers... There is always a place in superhero stories for the normal humans distinguished by nothing but force of will. From Nick Fury to Batman, having no powers doesn't mean that you're useless. Although I wouldn't be disappointed if the next person Mohinder sought out was Ando! Edit: Sorry, one more thing. If Hiro had just reversed time to when the bullet was back in the gun without materially altering the situation somehow, wouldn't the gun have fired normally? Making the gun misfire would require more than a rewind... it would require a rewind and an "edit" of sorts. If all you do is rewind, then things turn out exactly the same way a second time.

03-02-2007, 04:42 PM	#19
Miloisthebest Posts: n/a	Of course, Hiro was responsible for it. We have to remember that as much as Hiro is the most eager of all heroes, he is also the one who needs the most practice since he has to focus a lot of emotion to manipulate time the tiniest bit. ------------- Why match when you can itzamatch?

03-03-2007, 05:15 PM	#20
Guest Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 0	What happened there is simple, Hiro did what he did with the clock, just went back a second to the past. The willingness of survive is what triggered his innate powers... Ando has nothing to do here, and there is nothing relevant or revealing yet.