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View Poll Results: What do you think about Sylar?
Sylar will be part of the HEROES. 3 9.38%
Sylar will be the Villain. 15 46.88%
Sylar will die by the end of Season one. 14 43.75%
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Old 10-09-2006, 08:20 PM   #1
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I get the feeling Sylar is a guy, but he seems to have abilities of people he hasn't taken brains from. There was the idea that he takes the brains for possible cannibalization to gain powers....

Unless there are plenty of duplicate powers out there. It would be odd if Sylar was an amalgamation of the powers everyone has: teleportation, mind reading, flying, invincibility/regenration, etc etc.
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Sylar and Suresh are not alter-egos. The message on Suresh's answering machine is proof. If Sylar and Suresh were the same person, then how could Sylar call Suresh, and then Suresh pick up the phone and tell him to stop calling. Sylar and Suresh can't have a phone conversation if they are the same person.

[ Sylar = Future Peter ]

There is no way.

1) The Hiro from the future would not help him if he were the bad guy
2) Papa Suresh is the one that introduced Sylar to his powers. If future Peter came back in time, then he would already know about his powers.
3) Someone posted an awesome screen capture of the wall in Sylar's hidden room. It has a clipping that talks about a 'Pedro Sylar' (I think it was pedro)
4) And there was a picture of a teen boy in some sort of Christian altar boy type outfit near it. That coupled with all the "I have sinned" stuff in that hidden-hidden room makes one believe that Sylar is a highly religious person to some extent (or was). This doesn't seem to fit with Peter.

[ Sylar = Nathan ]
Sylar is not Nathan. If Sylar was Nathan, then why didn't he just turn the Haitain and Mr. Bennet inside-out when they tried to abduct him? No one was around. It wasn't like they were going to find out some secret. I mean, he flew away. It's not like the secret isn't out to them at that point.

[ Sylar Absorbing Powers ]

One possibility that people are passing up is that Sylar isn't eating the brains of people... he is maybe stealing them for tissue. What if Sylar's power is the same as Peter's power? The power of mimicry. What if he is stealing the brains so that he has tissue from these people. Then maybe he puts a peice of the tissue in a small container in some preservative (fermadahide) and keeps these on him (necklace, bracelet, whatever)

* note: I do not think that Sylar is a super-powered human with all sorts of powers that he absorbed from others *

[ Sylar's Powers ]

Almost all of the things that Sylar has done can be explained with telekinetic abilities.

1) mother lifted up and 'nailed' to the side of the stairs with various objects
2) kills without laying hands on victims
3) 'flying' away
4) killing all the FBI (or cops) guarding the girl
5) forcing the FBI agent to point the gun at herself
6) with-standing the barrage of bullets from Matt.

(a side-note here... taking all those bullets in the chest would be easy if he was wearing kevlar... it's not like armor-piercing rounds are standard issue to the LAPD)

7) cleaning out the apartment... this doesn't have to be Sylar here. Think about it. The girl with Mohinder is working wiht Mr. Bennet. As soon as she found the place she could have just phoned Bennet and then he had a team clear the place out. Not only would some of the information in the hidden room be important to them (the map had more people on it than Suresh's), but it would also help them to go after Sylar themselves (for whatever purposes they are going after people with powers). Maybe the place wasn't even cleared out. Maybe the Haitian just made them all believe that there was nothing there, but in reality the room was pretty much the same. (the Haitian could also have wiped memories of people who saw Mr. Bennet's team clearing the place out too... leaving no trail)

Freezing the guy... this is the toughy... it's possible that Sylar didn't freeze him. Maybe someone else with freeze powers was there battling Sylar and that guy at the table was in the cross-fire? Someone mentioned that Telekinetics can do hot/cold... I guess that it's possible that Sylar's telekinesis reaches far enough for him to control the temperature of things. Telekinesis is all about kinetic energy... If he can slow down the kinetic energy of the molecules themselves... he can make something colder.

the fact that most of this can be explained with a simple explanation... I tend to think it's the right one. I think that a lot of the people with the really off the wall speculation are just circle-jerking themselves that Sylar is some super-awesome invincible person. I'll admit that I really thought that he was absorbing powers, but that was only because the dad was frozen and the mom was stuck to the wall 5 feet off the ground. Those both seem, at face value, to be separate powers. But if you think about the telekinesis path, if Sylar's abilities are very very well-developed/honed, he can do all of these things with telekinesis.

[ Sylar's Power is Mimicry ]

Sylar's power is *not* mimicry on some super level that he learned to make permenant. Think about it this way. Suresh was with Sylar discovering his powers, right? How would they have discovered his powers of mimicry without finding another super-human? Don't you think that Mohinder would have found mention of said super-human in Suresh's notes somewhere? Also, don't you think that Sylar saying that Suresh wanted to know "how far he could go" would be a little hard to apply to mimicry... also I find it hard to believe taht they experimented with his powers if eating brains/absorbing powers from other super-humans was his power. Don't you think that Suresh would have had a moral dilemna with that kind of thing? I think that it's more likely that telekinesis is his power and he started going crazy the more that he and Suresh experimented with his power. It's possible that Sylar went off on his own and found that eating brains from other super-humans helped to augment/grow his own power (stronger telekinetic powers; not new powers from other super-humans); maybe this was the point at which Papa Suresh decided to break contact... and it could be the 'hunger' that Sylar was talking about on the phone. The 'hunger' could easily just be about killing other people, but I don't think that Sylar would have to call Papa Suresh to kill random people. He was probably calling to get info to find more super-humans to kill (whether or not he was eating their brains... maybe he's on a 'crusade' to kill them all in the name of God or Allah or Buddha.)[/b]
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Shape-shifting of any form
"Dark-Heroes" (heroes becoming evil)
Peter = Sylar
Nathan = Sylar
Sylar = Peter/Nathans father
Sylar = Your Grandmother
Sylar is a cannibal Eating Brains to Absorb Power
Eden and Sylar are going to take over the world (Seriously? C'mon)

Starting with my speculation-post on how Mr. Bennet = Good Guy (Way back before episode 4, Post found here) I'm deciding to now take a stab at Sylar's intent/motivation. Enjoy the read! B)

November 21:2006 Theory Post:

Sylar: A unique individual killing others for the reason of "if noone else is special, he will be the only one who is". Essentially becoming superhuman with no equal he would remain the only 'special' person.
Refrence one: How's he finding them? Sylar has been killing people with powers, most notably by finding newspaper clippings of extraordinary events. Using these he has begun to hunt down the emerging "Heroes". Though he can be mislead (Jackie taking credit for Claires action) he has been using these scenarios to find and destroy those with powers.

Argument one: The "iceman" murder. The result of a Telekinetic reflection of the mans' power back at him before he was killed. Intended to 'mislead' the audience to thinking Sylar absorbs powers.

On the Topic of Brains: Could very well be keeping the brains as a trophy for the kill and compelled to fill his 'hunger' to being the only one with extraordinary abilities. I don't believe that he's "eating" their brains for their powers, but more likely keeping them for study (maybe having stolen Chandra Suresh's research) before trophies.

"Save the Cheerleader, Save the World". Could be possible that in the future (or alternate timeline future), as Sylars abilities developed he became stronger (maybe lengthened use of his 'telekinetic-sawblade', or flat out more dangerous) and the only possible threat towards him, it would be realized, is the development of an older Claire who's accepted her healing abilities and has developed enough strength of will/ fighting prowess to pose a threat to Sylar. Because Sylar would have killed Claire at a young age at Homecoming, Future Hiro realizes that she would have been their only chance to stop him and hence warns Peter Petrelli, thus beginning the "Save the Cheerleader" saga.

If you were special, the emergence of other special people wouldn't make you so special would it? I find it possible that he's trying to remain the first/only/last "Hero".

Further Info: The fight with Peter: Peter's Scar. Most likely from engagement from Sylar. Unsure if it's unique to the 'original' timeline after fighting Sylar (in episode Homecoming) and not healing it fully using Claires power (seems unlikely that Peter wouldn't fully heal as his face was still patching up when he snapped his foot back) or fighting a "alternate future" Sylar (as the timeline has been altered with Claire being saved and not following Issacs possible future-paintings he could have fought "alternate" Sylar and been drastically wounded with a scar). We'll find out more if the scar healed next time we see Peter and if it's patched up, or if it's still to come.

Sylars Power: Telekinesis. No evidence of 'stolen powers'. "Iceman" murder could very well have been some telepathic reflection of the frozen-mans powers back at him. Thrown lockers at Peter (as also seen in the painting Issac drew) and his telepathic "leaps" (escape from Matt, climbing the bleachers in Homecoming)

Sylar: Hidden Identity: Why return to kill her? Heroes have secret identities, so do villians. Fearing the girl possibly saw his face and could identify him, he returns to finish the job. Though his reluctance of killing her in the room is questionable as he instead pulled her out and before he was assaulted and chased off by Audrey/Matt. It seems odd (judging on how fast he began to dispose of Jackie, his reluctance to kill a small girl is questionable, maybe SOME moral fibre). This theory is suppored by episode "Homecoming" as Claire's escape to a large group of people (as well as Peters warning line to escape) hints that Sylar's reluctance to have his face scene and identity revealed could stop him from engaging and killing a "hero" in broad daylight. If he was seen and identified, it wouldn't be hard for homeland security/FBI/ect to track him down (They're of course already having a problem finding him as HRG has stated needing Issacs help to find him. With an Identity to go off, he'd become alot easier to find).

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Old 10-09-2006, 09:49 PM   #2
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Sylar seems to just be telekinetic. If you can slow bullets down enough they won't kill you, but you will get hurt a bit. It would explain how he cleaned out his apartment so quickly, though not how he got back there so fast.

It's possible SYLAR is an acronym for a group of people. After all, one body was found frozen. Brain removal might just be for study by this group.


Did the stripper (Niki? I'm bad with names) just kill the men and blame her husband? That car registration she found in the glovebox was dated June, and the bodies were all in the desert, and it would explain how she could afford the car, and also the alternate address on the car registration. Wonder if she'll go to that address next.
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Old 10-10-2006, 06:24 AM   #3
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perhaps sylar (if it is only 1 person) has all the abilities that our various heroes have, which could explain him being in california and cleaning out his apartment in NYC (stop time and teleport like hiro).
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Old 10-10-2006, 07:51 AM   #4
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If Sylar has anything approaching Hiro's powers, then he is almost invincible. Ie., Apocalypse from the X-Men. O_o I think he may have just flown, or he may have some sort of super speed.
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Old 10-10-2006, 09:33 AM   #5
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I have some thoughts of my own, they havn't shown Sylar clearly. That makes me think that he is someone whom we have seen around. In the TVGuide is states that Peter has the ability to absorb powers and hints that he may not be a good guy. I am thinking that peter may absorb powers from many of the other superpowered beings and eventually became able to posses the powers permanently. If he say absorbs the powers of Hiro he could travel backwards in time and start havoc. As far as how he permanently gains the powers, I am not sure, but the removing of skulls may have something to do with that. The control of various objects may be the power of the one girl who gets possesed her reflection.
However if that is the case there are still many questions about how he and the currently dead proffesor are linked. Since from the show it suggests that they have been working together for a while.
Maybe I am just thinking to much...
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Old 10-10-2006, 09:52 AM   #6
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Does Sylar have the multiple collective powers of the other heroes? Were they created to stop him? Is he going around eliminating them one by one to prevent this? Did he work for (or was he in charge of) the company that created them in the first place? Or are they natural and evolutionary?
What does he want with the little girl? Does she have the ultimate power? ...one that he doesn't have? Can she create the nuke?

Is Sylar actually the thin girl (Eden) who is helping Mohinder? That would explain why she didn't want to break in to the flat, and why the stuff was removed when they called the cops - only those two knew about it......

..or better still could Sylar be the red headed FBI woman?

...or even ...could he be Mohinder's father? Not really dead?

Maybe he can morph into any one of the others too?

That 'S' symbol looks more and more like a DNA strand to me.....

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Old 10-10-2006, 10:39 AM   #7
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Here's a pic of Sylar's face (or presummed Sylar I'm not quite sure.)

It's taken from Episode 3 "One giant Leap" where the FBI Agent and Matt Parkman go to "speak" with the little girl that was found hiding in the house.

So Who does he look like? I know the quality is a bit horrid but it was the best I could do.

Any Theroies and Speculations?

EDIT : Realized it was "Sylar" and not "Syler"
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Old 10-10-2006, 12:54 PM   #8
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Here's a pic of Sylar's face (or presummed Sylar I'm not quite sure.)

It's taken from Episode 3 "One giant Leap" where the FBI Agent and Matt Parkman go to "speak" with the little girl that was found hiding in the house.

So Who does he look like? I know the quality is a bit horrid but it was the best I could do.

Any Theroies and Speculations?

EDIT : Realized it was "Sylar" and not "Syler"
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Hmm...Claire's daddy?
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Old 10-10-2006, 04:53 PM   #9
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Father, perhaps. But take a look at the way he ESCAPES.

After presuming to force our female detectives gun to her temple with some sort of telepathic assault, Syler is shot(at) several times. Upon stealthily rising here's a trick.

Listen VERY carefully to the noise playing as our mysteryman escapes and Matt looks upward. Sound like a twizzling gust of air? Very possible. Also coupled with the fact that Matt is glancing upwards we're assuming the character has flown away in his escape.

This is where theorizing comes in. I personally think there is some resemblence to our Sylar and Nathan Petrelli in appearance and facial structure. This is up for others to debate of course . We've got two flight-able people to go from here, its reasonable to say thats why Nathan wants the news of Peter's suicide attempt/flight to be under wraps (and make Peter seem mentally ill) so it can take the attention away from Nathan himself and his secretive ability to fly. He's extremely dedicated to winning the political race, and is staying awfully tight lipped about himself thus far.

The connections with the brain-cutting and self-mutilation mind control I cant explain. I have my own theory of the brains being removed by claire's father-figure/agency for study but nothing I can prove thus far. Another thing I noticed from episode 3 was Nathans harsh tone he took with his father. Perhaps his father could have known his flying secret/connection to some agency because hell, we know how well secret operations and promises of funding from rising politicians go.

Sylar = Mutation of hero-hunter group? mimicry powers of Nathans/Peters/other heroes abilities (through Claire's fathers testing)?, Nathan himself undercover? Papa Suresh's connection with the shadow-group? Discuss!

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Old 10-10-2006, 05:57 PM   #10
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I also thought it resembled Nathan a bit.. but As someone stated before It could be a stunt Double (thought I do have a bit of doubt.)
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