Exploding Man Inconsistencies

[Zenjamin]

Originally Posted by Instructio4

In the future it WAS Peter who exploded, he admits that. But in the present Sylar intended to, we see the begining of his plot to become president after he kills his mother, and pert of this is exploding, which i cant do without 2 things, Ted's ability and Claires ability, and he only gets to one before Peter and Hiro find him in the Finale. However if he had got to Claire in the school their wouldnt have been anything to stop him,so 'save the cheerleader, save the world' makes sense.

The only hole i can find is why Nathan flew Peter up, but it makes sense that Peter was putting all his effort into controling Ted's power and if he was to fly he'd lose concentration and explode before being far enough away from the city

no. im sorry. but the writers half-assed it on both accounts.

in the episode where hiro teleported to the future, future hiro kept talking about why the cheerleader had to be saved. he said that it was because in his timeline syler had killed clare so that when he stabbed syler, syler regenerated.
however in that SAME FRACKEN EPISODE, we see clare alive and well hiding out in a diner.

what
the
frack

Originally Posted by scubadvr2

I give a 2-5% chance that Nathan isn't actually dead so it's not a big deal he flew peter up in the sky.

Peter didn't need Claire's power to survive. Both Ted and i assume Peter aren't affected by the radioactive power. It didn't harm ted.
And a hero transfers his power to whatever he is touching (except the ground apparently), like when DL gets Niki through walls and when Ted got caught by the FBI peter turned both him and claire invisible by holding her arm.
Therefore, if Peter doesn't get hurt by the ability and nathan was holding on to him he wouldn't be affected either.
While plausible, i believe is it improbable that hte writers would pull a twist like that. but for those who are worried about either of their survival, you have hope yet.

no, that still doesnt explain why clair couldnt just shoot him, or why peter didnt tell her to get a tranq gun, or why she just didnt just pistol whip him, or how hiro stabed syler even though he had plenty of time to knock him back, make his skull collapse, or just move out the way.

[Eggsstar]

Originally Posted by Zenjamin

no. im sorry. but the writers half-assed it on both accounts.

in the episode where hiro teleported to the future, future hiro kept talking about why the cheerleader had to be saved. he said that it was because in his timeline syler had killed clare so that when he stabbed syler, syler regenerated.
however in that SAME FRACKEN EPISODE, we see clare alive and well hiding out in a diner.

what
the
frack



no, that still doesnt explain why clair couldnt just shoot him, or why peter didnt tell her to get a tranq gun, or why she just didnt just pistol whip him, or how hiro stabed syler even though he had plenty of time to knock him back, make his skull collapse, or just move out the way.

IMHO, for all of this to make sense, you have to take a look at the bigger picture. There are essentially three different time lines that you have to consider:

Timeline 1- In this timeline Future Hiro does go to the past to talk to Peter to "Save the Cheerleader, Save the World". If this event did not occur, Peter would not have saved Claire, Sylar would have been able to get regenerative powers and would have been able to cause lots of problems. However, it is unknown if Sylar or Peter would have blown up because we did not get to see what happens in the future as a result of this. The only thing we see in timeline 1 is when Hiro goes to the future the first time and meets up with Issac, to find his head cut open and to witness the bomb go off (Episode 2- Don't look back)

Timeline 2 - In this timeline Future Hiro warns Peter and Peter eventually saves Claire. This is the timeline that we see in the "Five Years Gone" episode. In this particular timeline Sylar had not been stabbed by present Hiro yet because present Hiro had to go to the future in order to read the final "9th Wonders" comic to figure out that he has to stab Sylar. That is why Future Hiro is puzzled when he learns that present Hiro had not stabbed Sylar yet. Furthermore, it is learned that Peter was the exploding man.
Timeline 3 - For this timeline to occur, Future Hiro had to go into Timeline 2 to read the comic book so that he would know that he has to stab Sylar.

Also, it should be noted that the reason why all the characters who were present in the Sylar vs. Peter battle were alive in Timeline 2 is because those characters may not have been there for that battle (i.e. they could have been in other states). It could be argued that the reason why they were there in the final episode is a result of present Hiro going into the future to read the comic book...thus having a chain of events that occur to lead up to everyone gathering at the final battle between Peter and Sylar.


I think this confusion is due to us not understanding the implications of travelling and altering the space time continuum. The key thing to take away from this post is that:

1) Present Hiro had to go to the future in order to change it (view the comic book to see that he stabs Sylar)

2) The future in which present Hiro travels to is the timeline 2 in which Sylar had not been stabbed yet

3) In order to see what the future looks like when he stabs Sylar, he would have had to stab Sylar first.

This reflects the whole theory that the future is not written in stone.

[hehfun]

Consider the following:
----------------------
1) Any story or plot that involes time travel = endless loop of possibilities

OR

2)You exist in your Original timeline.

Going back/future in time is to go to ANOTHER timeline.
Whatever you do there only change events in that timeline.
[even if you meet yourself]

Your Original timeline is still the same when you are back.

OR

3) Time travel is just another 'play with your mind' excuse
to make the story interesting.

[SwordSaint]

It's also possible that Hiro was just plain WRONG about Sylar regenerating as well as who the human bomb was. Maybe he assumes it because Sylar does come back even after he stabs him through the heart. Sylar possibly survived by using his TK to keep his wounds closed until he got medical help or maybe someone else helped him.

Future Hiro seemed pretty obsessed with his timeline theory. However if you factor in the fact that Sylar survives without Claires ability (which we now know he does) then what Hiro THOUGHT was incorrect. He survived but it wasn't because of Claires regeneration powers.

Also Hiro was also wrong about who the human bomb ended up being. We as viewers seem to think that the future Hiro's perceptions are infallible but if anything this show is showing is that these beings with amazing powers are still quite human and therefore capable of error.

[Bladeuk93]

Originally Posted by itsnobodysfaultbutmine

OK. There is a huge problem in the episode in the future (Episode 20). Sylar lets on that Peter was actually the person who blew up New York, but Issac (in the present) says it is Sylar (since he predicts int in his comic) and Hiro (in the future) believes it to be Sylar as well. Were they wrong all along, and "save the cheerleader, save the world" doesn't actually matter, since it comes down to Peter being able to control his power?

Also, why the hell didn't Claire just shoot Peter? He could regenerate, and instead he blows up in the air, potentially killing Nathan and creating all the after-effects of a nuclear bomb. Furthermore, Peter can fly, why does Nathan have to carry him?

I think these stupid inconsistencies just spring from a ****ty writing style where the writers each work on a single character, and even if they don't work separately now, they aren't as connected with the other characters, leading to plot holes.

Ok, some of this is covered in Season 2. So, im not gonna spoil anything. In paragraph 2, you say Peter can fly, why does Nathan have to carry him.

In episode 23, How To Stop An Exploding Man, Peter says he can't do anything, which probably suggests that he's using all his power to contain the bomb, and if he tried to fly then he would probably just blowup right there.

You also said why Claire didn't shoot Peter, if she did shoot Peter, he might just let go and explode.

[Kex]

Right ok here goes...
I'm gonna try and make as much sense of the whole 'save the cheerleader save the world' which seems not to make ANY sense to ANYONE, me to before i tried REALLY hard to figure it out. It probably has a load of holes in it but we'l see.

Lets go from the point where Hiro stabs Sylar, Hiro is thrown in the air by Sylar and disappears for ages to train to become this great warrior ( i think this happens in series 2 but i havent seen it ) He then transports himself back after the explosion has happened to find everything gone wrong.

Now he believes that Sylar was the one to blow up New York, according to him he must have done this by regenerating, because he doesnt know it was Peter, and how would he? Hes been completely left out of the loop ( maybe even told Sylar could regenerate by Peter? )

He then plots a way to save New York by saving the person Sylar gets his regeneration from. He does his research and finds out a cheerleader dies in Union Wells highschool. Hiro believes this is Claire, and thus travels back in time to get Peter Patrelli to help himself in the past save her.

This is where it gets confussing.

Claire was never going to be killed on homecoming, in the 'dark' timeline or the one we watch unfold. It was never going to happen. When Peter meets Claire at the trophy cabinet and talks about Jackie, I think this makes Claire want to confront her in the locker room just before she gets killed, thus completely changing the timelines around, bits are still similar, however when the events happen and who meets who and when have changed. ( This is probably why Sylar has powers such as D.L's phasing, and Candice's ability to create illusions. Sylar by 5 years gone has probably slaughtered most of the 'company' hence why Bennet has gone underground. )

Peter has met Claire, which he either would never have done, or would have done at a much later stage. Sylar now knows about Claire, which he wouldnt have done if she hadnt met Peter and thus confronted Jackie before she gets killed.

Now the most important line in the final episode i think is when Nathan says 'You saved the Cheerleader, so we could save the world' to Peter.

If Peter hadnt saved the Cheerleader Nathan and Claire would never have met, remember that Angela Patrelli has gone many lengths to stop Nathan meeting his long lost daughter and the reason why is simple, Claire is Nathans only real weakness. Angela has manipulated Nathan to the point where he will do pretty much whatever she says, even to the extent of sacrificing Peter for the 'Greater good', Claire is the only real way for Nathan to see past the 'logic' and come to his senses by not murdering millions in New York.

By saving Claire, and thus Claire meeting and talking to Nathan to ask him to stop the bomb, saving the cheerleeder has saved the world. Not the way Hiro imagined but it worked all the same.

Hope that makes sense.

[parkman FTW]

ted's power does har, the person using it, it only didn't harm ted in the bennet house because he didn't explode thanks to claire tranquilising him, eirgo the explosion was stopped. but peter couldn't stop himself exploding and would have died had it not been for him absorbing claire's power of rapid cellular regeneration. and the reason peter couldn't just fly away himself was because it was taking all his power to try and stop himself from imploding.

[yattaaa]

Instead of shooting or flying peter away when hes about to explode they could of just tranquilize him like how claire stopped ted from exploding in the house.


And for the "save the cheerleader, save the word" part, like it saids, save the cheerleader save the world not NYC. Im sure future hiro wasnt talking about the bomb when he said save the cheerleader save the world. wink wink

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[fatj0]

Originally Posted by yattaaa

Instead of shooting or flying peter away when hes about to explode they could of just tranquilize him like how claire stopped ted from exploding in the house.


And for the "save the cheerleader, save the word" part, like it saids, save the cheerleader save the world not NYC. Im sure future hiro wasnt talking about the bomb when he said save the cheerleader save the world. wink wink

the world future hiro lived in was a world of fear and witch hunts that started with the explosion in NYC. that's what he was trying, and semi-succeeded to prevent.