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Tainger · 05-23-2007, 05:52 AM

when peter is about to explode why doesnt he fly himself and notice earlier when nathan is cornered by benit and the hashin how come he can still fly 0_o!?!??!!??!

Miguel Arce · 05-23-2007, 03:22 PM

Well, i have made a unique video called hiro's path.avi with all the moments Ando and Hiro apear togheter doing things in the hole season. I haven't done a Peter's path yet, but i think peter can only use 1 power at a time, and since he was using ted's he might be unable to fly. Once again i state this is only what i can remember, i would have to review the chapters and catch peter using more than 1 power at the time.

itsnobodysfaultbutmine · 05-23-2007, 10:47 PM

Peter uses two powers with Claude (the invisible man) he goes invisible and uses telekinesis and I believe he uses invisibility and flying when he saves Claude from Bennet.

itsnobodysfaultbutmine · 05-23-2007, 11:08 PM

I like Miguel's timeline, it's very easy to understand, but I have to wonder about five years in the future. The five years in the future episode can't be in timeline 2, because if it was, then Future Hiro would know that he delivered the message in his own past, and wouldn't need to create the idea independently, whereas in the show he does develop the idea to travel back to one point in time on his own, which is why he created the timeline. If he knew he was supposed to give Peter the message, then he would have just gone back in time and done so as opposed to putting forth all that effort. That means the episode in the future is actually in Miguel's timeline 1 (because future Hiro makes implications that he knew about his "mission," it can't be timeline 0). This opens up a huge can of worms in terms of the paradoxes of time traveling and fate, though.

Miguel Arce · 05-24-2007, 02:20 AM

Hi "itsnobodysfaultbutmine", The future depicted in episode 20 is the future of reality 2 ( timeline 2).

Basically : Reality 1 ( timeline 1) is a reality in which the chearleader message never happends, and Reality 2 is basically Reality 1 + chearleader message. It is Reality 2 because claire is alive and sylar can't regenerate. This is exactly what the discussion was all about in the begining Author made some mistakes with the time travel concept.

When Hiro.2 and Ando2 jumped 5 years forward, there should not be future hiro there
as Future Hiro is in fact Hiro.1 who should not exist anymore.

The original plot hole i submited was:

Author using two diferent criteria to the same event.

in first hiro's 5 weeks jump there is a 5 week hiro emptyness in that reality, meaning there is no hiro there for 5 weeks until he reapears in that reality + 5 weeks in NY.
Ando confirms this when called by police saying he has not seen Hiro for 5 weeks ( he doesnt know hiro's whereabouts).

When Hiro and Ando jumps 5 years forward, the "Future Hiro" should not be there, and Future Ando should not be dead.

So the author stated a rule in the first jump and broke it in the second jump.

big greet from Mérida Yucatán México, keep in touch.

sceemer · 05-24-2007, 06:16 PM

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gerch · 05-25-2007, 09:21 AM

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Timeline 3: Hiro traveled back to his time after stabbing Sylar. He decides that to kill Sylar he must save Claire so Sylar doesn't have her power. Hiro goes back even farther and tells Peter to save Claire.

i dont get it from there on...
if claire is alive ... and sylar doesnt have the power but the bomb still explodes... how can sylar still be living ??

itsnobodysfaultbutmine · 05-27-2007, 11:34 AM

I think he turned into that cockroach.

Miguel Arce · 05-28-2007, 11:25 AM

You know itsnobodyfaultbutmine, that is a pretty good observation that havent ocurred to me. Remember Mohinder saying that only the cockroach will survive and atomic war, maybe that is how sylar survived the first time to the explotion, he can turn into a cockroach.

Besides, les remember that by the time parkman rescues Molly Walker, the police says he ha already killed 9 persons, so maybe its one of the powers we don't know about.

Big greet from Mérida Yucatán México

fatj0 · 09-29-2007, 02:54 PM

i don't think the writers for this show are quantum physics majors, those guys have better things to do like write back to the future 4 and the quantum leap comeback. what they want to do is provide an entertaining story that has some loose ends to keep the viewers guessing and eager for explanation. if you really want the answer it's in a different show: futurama. stephen hawking thoroughly explains the continuum distortion phenomenon and calls it a "hawking hole." it explains everything.

05-23-2007, 10:47 PM	#23
itsnobodysfaultbutmine Junior Member Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 5	One instance Peter uses two powers with Claude (the invisible man) he goes invisible and uses telekinesis and I believe he uses invisibility and flying when he saves Claude from Bennet.

05-23-2007, 11:08 PM	#24
itsnobodysfaultbutmine Junior Member Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 5	Miguel's Timeline I like Miguel's timeline, it's very easy to understand, but I have to wonder about five years in the future. The five years in the future episode can't be in timeline 2, because if it was, then Future Hiro would know that he delivered the message in his own past, and wouldn't need to create the idea independently, whereas in the show he does develop the idea to travel back to one point in time on his own, which is why he created the timeline. If he knew he was supposed to give Peter the message, then he would have just gone back in time and done so as opposed to putting forth all that effort. That means the episode in the future is actually in Miguel's timeline 1 (because future Hiro makes implications that he knew about his "mission," it can't be timeline 0). This opens up a huge can of worms in terms of the paradoxes of time traveling and fate, though.

05-27-2007, 11:34 AM	#28
itsnobodysfaultbutmine Junior Member Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 5	Cockroach? I think he turned into that cockroach.

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05-23-2007, 05:52 AM	#21
Tainger Junior Member Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 6	when peter is about to explode why doesnt he fly himself and notice earlier when nathan is cornered by benit and the hashin how come he can still fly 0_o!?!??!!??!

05-23-2007, 03:22 PM	#22
Miguel Arce Junior Member Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 11	Well, i have made a unique video called hiro's path.avi with all the moments Ando and Hiro apear togheter doing things in the hole season. I haven't done a Peter's path yet, but i think peter can only use 1 power at a time, and since he was using ted's he might be unable to fly. Once again i state this is only what i can remember, i would have to review the chapters and catch peter using more than 1 power at the time.

05-24-2007, 02:20 AM	#25
Miguel Arce Junior Member Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 11	Hi "itsnobodysfaultbutmine", The future depicted in episode 20 is the future of reality 2 ( timeline 2). Basically : Reality 1 ( timeline 1) is a reality in which the chearleader message never happends, and Reality 2 is basically Reality 1 + chearleader message. It is Reality 2 because claire is alive and sylar can't regenerate. This is exactly what the discussion was all about in the begining Author made some mistakes with the time travel concept. When Hiro.2 and Ando2 jumped 5 years forward, there should not be future hiro there as Future Hiro is in fact Hiro.1 who should not exist anymore. The original plot hole i submited was: Author using two diferent criteria to the same event. in first hiro's 5 weeks jump there is a 5 week hiro emptyness in that reality, meaning there is no hiro there for 5 weeks until he reapears in that reality + 5 weeks in NY. Ando confirms this when called by police saying he has not seen Hiro for 5 weeks ( he doesnt know hiro's whereabouts). When Hiro and Ando jumps 5 years forward, the "Future Hiro" should not be there, and Future Ando should not be dead. So the author stated a rule in the first jump and broke it in the second jump. big greet from Mérida Yucatán México, keep in touch.

05-24-2007, 06:16 PM	#26
sceemer Junior Member Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 15	http://sceemer.blogspot.com/

05-28-2007, 11:25 AM	#29
Miguel Arce Junior Member Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 11	You know itsnobodyfaultbutmine, that is a pretty good observation that havent ocurred to me. Remember Mohinder saying that only the cockroach will survive and atomic war, maybe that is how sylar survived the first time to the explotion, he can turn into a cockroach. Besides, les remember that by the time parkman rescues Molly Walker, the police says he ha already killed 9 persons, so maybe its one of the powers we don't know about. Big greet from Mérida Yucatán México

09-29-2007, 02:54 PM	#30
fatj0 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 368	i don't think the writers for this show are quantum physics majors, those guys have better things to do like write back to the future 4 and the quantum leap comeback. what they want to do is provide an entertaining story that has some loose ends to keep the viewers guessing and eager for explanation. if you really want the answer it's in a different show: futurama. stephen hawking thoroughly explains the continuum distortion phenomenon and calls it a "hawking hole." it explains everything.