Time Travel theories!

Robert_DarkFall · 10-19-2007, 05:15 AM

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Originally Posted by shannon2903

"Save the cheerleader, save the world"

Okay that brings up another question I thought of the other day. Exactly how DID saving Claire "Save the world"? Never made much sense to me.

Is it because he had to acquire her power to do what he needed to do? That's the only way I can see she fit into the big picture of saving the world so to speak.

meimei42 · 10-19-2007, 06:46 AM

I think Hiro THOUGHT it would save the world because he thought Syalr was the one who set off the bomb, but it was never Sylar, it was Peter...or maybe it was Sylar but by sending peter to "Save the Cheerleader" that changed the future because Peter got her power and so instead of Sylar blowing everyone up, Peter did (in the five years ahead future episode...whatever its called).

Time travel in this series just confuses the hell out of me. I don't quite get it because its just so weirdly complicated. I'm not even going to go into that right now because that would take forever.

Robert_DarkFall · 10-19-2007, 06:53 AM

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Originally Posted by meimei42

Time travel in this series just confuses the hell out of me. I don't quite get it because its just so weirdly complicated. I'm not even going to go into that right now because that would take forever.

Oh you're not alone getting confused by Time Travel LOL - I understand it for the most part but I'm a Sci Fi Geek. A lot of people get confused by temporal logic and mechanics - especially when multiple realities and timelines come into the picture.

However, I remember being in High School and spending over an hour explaining to my aunt how there were 2 Michael J. Foxes in the original Back to the Future - she just didn't understand how he could have been watching himself. LOL And that is pretty basic in temporal logic. I kept telling her - "if you travel back 5 minutes in the past - you'll see yourself sitting in that chair asking me this question." I think she either FINALLY grasped it or just agreed to shut me up LOL.

FAN · 10-19-2007, 06:55 AM

maybe the "Save the World" is yet to come. Could be the grand story arc that ties all the seasons together. Just a thought.

meimei42 · 10-19-2007, 07:29 AM

I understand the basic concepts of time travel, but there are things that just get kind of complicated when you start breaking it down.

And the statement could mean Save then cheerleader AND THEN save the world. Perhaps???

Robert_DarkFall · 10-19-2007, 07:38 AM

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Originally Posted by meimei42

I understand the basic concepts of time travel, but there are things that just get kind of complicated when you start breaking it down.

And the statement could mean Save then cheerleader AND THEN save the world. Perhaps???

I'm just glad the aunt I spoke of does not watch Journeyman LOL But there I go derailing the thread again - okay back on topic....

Yeah I thought about it like that possibly - 2 seperate statements...

1. Save the Cheerleader
2. Save the World

I think at least with my own self / thoughts I'll just resolve it as he had to acquire her powers to do what he needed to do.

meimei42 · 10-19-2007, 07:45 AM

Since saving the cheerleader would alter the future, perhaps Hiro thought it would Save the world. But by saving the cheerleader, Peter got her powers and so was able to regenerate (which if he hadn't saved her, he wouldn't have gotten unless he somehow swiped them from Sylar, which I'm really not sure how it works with those two). Since he was able to regernate, he turned out to be the bomb? Or maybe he was always the bomb but he could survive it since he had the powers?

I don't know. Obviously Future Hiro thinks stopping Sylar will save the world, he has to have a reason for that. I'm just confusing myself now LOL.

And yeah, journeyman can be wicked confusing if you cant grasp the idea of time travel.

Robert_DarkFall · 10-19-2007, 08:00 AM

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Originally Posted by meimei42

unless he somehow swiped them from Sylar, which I'm really not sure how it works with those two.

Well - logically Peter should be able to learn even Sylar's stolen powers. They are both ultra powerful (or were before they got wiped - well Peter still rocks heeh) - Sylar has to take them by force and be rather messy about it. Peter just gets to watch them and learn them.

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Originally Posted by meimei42

And yeah, journeyman can be wicked confusing if you cant grasp the idea of time travel.

Yeah - suffice it to say, with her it would be a 4 hour headache trying to explain a 1 hour show LOL

TelekineticBanana · 10-19-2007, 08:30 AM

Guys, I thought it was pretty obvious in "Five Years Gone". Future Hiro told Peter to "Save the Cheerleader, save the World" because when Hiro stabbed Sylar, it did nothing because he regenerated. Future Hiro was trying to figure out when Sylar acquired this ability and then needed someone to stop him.

After that its all assumptions, but I'm guessing he saw Peter as the best candidate to do this.

I'm guessing when F.Hiro told Peter that, Sylar WAS the person who set off the bomb and he was also an unstoppable menace at that point. Hiro knew he had to change things. When F.Hiro asks Ando if Peter saved the Cheerleader, and Ando replied yes, F.Hiro was relieved, because at least P.Hiro would be able to stop Sylar before the explosion. The problem was now it created the alternate timeline they were in AT THAT MOMENT, where the city was still destroyed but Sylar was still alive, albeit without Claire's power (so technically he could still be stopped, but no one believes he's still alive). In this timeline Peter destroyed the city.

In the end the only way THAT timeline could be altered was by what happened, Nathan changing the future by flying Peter up to the sky to blow up there, saving the city.

So basically, it was like a "choose your adventure" book:
- Sylar gets Claire's ability, destroys the city, is unstoppable.
- Sylar doesn't get Claire's ability, Peter does instead, destroys the city, Sylar goes into hiding, gets more abilities.
- Nathan saves the city by taking Peter to a safe spot to explode, Peter has Claire's ability and survives. Thus we are at the timeline we currently are in.

Its confusing but I've always looked at it as three different timelines.

meimei42 · 10-19-2007, 08:50 AM

I loved Choose Your Own Adventure books, they were so much fun! I can't imagine trying to fit the puzzle pieces together to get them to work though.

Sylar has to be the original one who blew up NY because Peter existed in F.Hiro's time line and if Sylar had gotten Claire's ability, then Peter wouldn't have (unless he managed to steal it from him somehow which seemed to work for the TK, but i haven't noticed Peter use any of Sylar's other powers. Maybe because he doesn't know he has them, I don't know). Anyway, the path Hiro sends him on seems to be one that leads directly to him exploding, not Sylar.

I wonder how much of all this wouldn't have happened had Issac never existed. It seemed almost like Sylar got the idea for exploding from the future painting and there is no telling if he would have attacked Ted (or even know about him) if it weren't for Issac. I suppose there is a chance. I don't know, I think I'm babbling.

10-19-2007, 06:46 AM	#2
meimei42 Moderator Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 11,818	I think Hiro THOUGHT it would save the world because he thought Syalr was the one who set off the bomb, but it was never Sylar, it was Peter...or maybe it was Sylar but by sending peter to "Save the Cheerleader" that changed the future because Peter got her power and so instead of Sylar blowing everyone up, Peter did (in the five years ahead future episode...whatever its called). Time travel in this series just confuses the hell out of me. I don't quite get it because its just so weirdly complicated. I'm not even going to go into that right now because that would take forever. __________________ AV by ewlyn on Livejournal

10-19-2007, 07:29 AM	#5
meimei42 Moderator Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 11,818	I understand the basic concepts of time travel, but there are things that just get kind of complicated when you start breaking it down. And the statement could mean Save then cheerleader AND THEN save the world. Perhaps??? __________________ AV by ewlyn on Livejournal

10-19-2007, 07:45 AM	#7
meimei42 Moderator Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 11,818	Since saving the cheerleader would alter the future, perhaps Hiro thought it would Save the world. But by saving the cheerleader, Peter got her powers and so was able to regenerate (which if he hadn't saved her, he wouldn't have gotten unless he somehow swiped them from Sylar, which I'm really not sure how it works with those two). Since he was able to regernate, he turned out to be the bomb? Or maybe he was always the bomb but he could survive it since he had the powers? I don't know. Obviously Future Hiro thinks stopping Sylar will save the world, he has to have a reason for that. I'm just confusing myself now LOL. And yeah, journeyman can be wicked confusing if you cant grasp the idea of time travel. __________________ AV by ewlyn on Livejournal

10-19-2007, 08:50 AM	#10
meimei42 Moderator Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 11,818	I loved Choose Your Own Adventure books, they were so much fun! I can't imagine trying to fit the puzzle pieces together to get them to work though. Sylar has to be the original one who blew up NY because Peter existed in F.Hiro's time line and if Sylar had gotten Claire's ability, then Peter wouldn't have (unless he managed to steal it from him somehow which seemed to work for the TK, but i haven't noticed Peter use any of Sylar's other powers. Maybe because he doesn't know he has them, I don't know). Anyway, the path Hiro sends him on seems to be one that leads directly to him exploding, not Sylar. I wonder how much of all this wouldn't have happened had Issac never existed. It seemed almost like Sylar got the idea for exploding from the future painting and there is no telling if he would have attacked Ted (or even know about him) if it weren't for Issac. I suppose there is a chance. I don't know, I think I'm babbling. __________________ AV by ewlyn on Livejournal

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10-19-2007, 06:55 AM	#4
FAN Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 37	maybe the "Save the World" is yet to come. Could be the grand story arc that ties all the seasons together. Just a thought.

10-19-2007, 08:30 AM	#9
TelekineticBanana Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Orlando, FL Posts: 12	Guys, I thought it was pretty obvious in "Five Years Gone". Future Hiro told Peter to "Save the Cheerleader, save the World" because when Hiro stabbed Sylar, it did nothing because he regenerated. Future Hiro was trying to figure out when Sylar acquired this ability and then needed someone to stop him. After that its all assumptions, but I'm guessing he saw Peter as the best candidate to do this. I'm guessing when F.Hiro told Peter that, Sylar WAS the person who set off the bomb and he was also an unstoppable menace at that point. Hiro knew he had to change things. When F.Hiro asks Ando if Peter saved the Cheerleader, and Ando replied yes, F.Hiro was relieved, because at least P.Hiro would be able to stop Sylar before the explosion. The problem was now it created the alternate timeline they were in AT THAT MOMENT, where the city was still destroyed but Sylar was still alive, albeit without Claire's power (so technically he could still be stopped, but no one believes he's still alive). In this timeline Peter destroyed the city. In the end the only way THAT timeline could be altered was by what happened, Nathan changing the future by flying Peter up to the sky to blow up there, saving the city. So basically, it was like a "choose your adventure" book: - Sylar gets Claire's ability, destroys the city, is unstoppable. - Sylar doesn't get Claire's ability, Peter does instead, destroys the city, Sylar goes into hiding, gets more abilities. - Nathan saves the city by taking Peter to a safe spot to explode, Peter has Claire's ability and survives. Thus we are at the timeline we currently are in. Its confusing but I've always looked at it as three different timelines.