Time Travel theories! - Page 3

meimei42 · 10-19-2007, 01:30 PM

It really is a hard concept to really wrap your head around because it exists outside the boundries of what we think of as physically possible.

If you went back in time could you kill your mom before she had you? I don't see how because they you wouldn't exist to go back in time and kill her. But if mulitpul dimentions were created, you could agrue that by killing your mother, you created an alternate timeline with you not in it.

So what type of time travel is Hiro doing? Is he going to different timelines or is what he does affecting the present timeline (and therefore the only timeline)?

Robert_DarkFall · 10-19-2007, 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by meimei42

It really is a hard concept to really wrap your head around because it exists outside the boundries of what we think of as physically possible.

If you went back in time could you kill your mom before she had you? I don't see how because they you wouldn't exist to go back in time and kill her. But if mulitpul dimentions were created, you could agrue that by killing your mother, you created an alternate timeline with you not in it.

So what type of time travel is Hiro doing? Is he going to different timelines or is what he does affecting the present timeline (and therefore the only timeline)?

Well to quote another hero of mine -
"People assume that time is a strict progression of cause to effect... but actually, from a non-linear, non-subjective viewpoint. It's more like a big ball of wibbly-wobbly timey-wimey stuff."

I'll give you 50 points if you can guess who said that one? hehehe

But he's right - it kind of depends on what angle you're looking at it from. From inside the timeline it's linear - But to an outside observer looking in it's all frayed and stuff - lots of twists and branches.

meimei42 · 10-19-2007, 01:41 PM

I don't think you can ignore that time is cause and effect. If kill someone, they cease to exist and so anything they might have done, will not be done, at least not by them.

I have no idea who said that but its kind of funny.

Robert_DarkFall · 10-19-2007, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by meimei42

I don't think you can ignore that time is cause and effect. If kill someone, they cease to exist and so anything they might have done, will not be done, at least not by them.

I have no idea who said that but its kind of funny.

Well okay - do you watch JourneyMan at all for example? - here's an example of what you are saying - kind of.... Livia (his ex fiancee) is assumed dead in his timeline, his present) - But actually she's another time-traveller so yes she could be responsible for things that nobody could pin on her if she wanted to be.

To use your specific example - say I kill someone - but his brother created a time machine - his brother goes back - prevents me from killing him and thus creates an ALTERNATE timeline. In my timeline / reality the brother is still dead - but in the alternate branch he's alive and now has access to a time machine! Now he could go back and alter my past to mess with me for revenge etc. Or even if he really knew how to traverse all the branches - he could travel back to my existing reality and pin something on me because he's dead in my reality nobody would be the wiser.

Hmmm see what I mean?

And the quote BTW - was from Dr. Who

meimei42 · 10-19-2007, 01:54 PM

Are you from England? Dr. Who is so popular out there (or at least popular with my geeky, convention going friends who live tehre)

And I understand what you are saying, but that works only if you go with the school of thought that there ARE alternate timelines. Some might say there is only one timeline and by changing you create a domino effect of events that change the outcome of what WOULD have been the future.

I am TOTALLY geeking myself out here.

Robert_DarkFall · 10-19-2007, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by meimei42

Are you from England? Dr. Who is so popular out there (or at least popular with my geeky, convention going friends who live tehre)

No - not from england, just a Sci Fi Geek

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Originally Posted by meimei42

And I understand what you are saying, but that works only if you go with the school of thought that there ARE alternate timelines. Some might say there is only one timeline and by changing you create a domino effect of events that change the outcome of what WOULD have been the future.

I am TOTALLY geeking myself out here.

Again it depends on what angle you are viewing time from. If you are viewing it from within a specific timeline - then yes, it's linear, cause and effect, only one path really although you can alter that path.

If you are viewing it from the outside looking in you see the whole tree and all the possible paths - and if you're really crafty, you can figure out how to traverse those various paths and timelines. (Though I think generally you just end up creating even more of them)

Okay now my head is going to explode too LOL

meimei42 · 10-19-2007, 03:46 PM

I tend to think more in linerar terms as far as time travel is concerned, but with stuff like Heroes I guess its really up to the creators to decide how it all works since its all just a theory.

liquid_snake · 10-20-2007, 05:21 AM

just trying to read this has me confused

Joshjb · 10-20-2007, 05:47 AM

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just trying to read this has me confused

Haha, same here.

TelekineticBanana · 10-20-2007, 09:08 AM

Did a bunch of reading on time travel a few weeks ago and something just hit me (because of something meimei42 said in this thread).

Most scientists believe that if time travel were even possible (most agree that it isn't), you could not travel back in time before the point where the time machine was made. Therefore, Hiro could only travel back in time far enough to where he was born, and not all the way back to feudal Japan. What do you guys think about that?

In regards to P.Hiro seeing multiple other Hiros from alternate timelines, that doesn't really seem possible.

Once you've taken an action, those alternate timelines are no longer reachable I would think. They're in another reality at this point that you don't belong to.

10-19-2007, 01:30 PM	#21
meimei42 Moderator Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 11,818	It really is a hard concept to really wrap your head around because it exists outside the boundries of what we think of as physically possible. If you went back in time could you kill your mom before she had you? I don't see how because they you wouldn't exist to go back in time and kill her. But if mulitpul dimentions were created, you could agrue that by killing your mother, you created an alternate timeline with you not in it. So what type of time travel is Hiro doing? Is he going to different timelines or is what he does affecting the present timeline (and therefore the only timeline)? __________________ AV by ewlyn on Livejournal

10-19-2007, 01:41 PM	#23
meimei42 Moderator Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 11,818	I don't think you can ignore that time is cause and effect. If kill someone, they cease to exist and so anything they might have done, will not be done, at least not by them. I have no idea who said that but its kind of funny. __________________ AV by ewlyn on Livejournal

10-19-2007, 01:54 PM	#25
meimei42 Moderator Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 11,818	Are you from England? Dr. Who is so popular out there (or at least popular with my geeky, convention going friends who live tehre) And I understand what you are saying, but that works only if you go with the school of thought that there ARE alternate timelines. Some might say there is only one timeline and by changing you create a domino effect of events that change the outcome of what WOULD have been the future. I am TOTALLY geeking myself out here. __________________ AV by ewlyn on Livejournal

10-19-2007, 03:46 PM	#27
meimei42 Moderator Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 11,818	I tend to think more in linerar terms as far as time travel is concerned, but with stuff like Heroes I guess its really up to the creators to decide how it all works since its all just a theory. __________________ AV by ewlyn on Livejournal

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10-20-2007, 05:21 AM	#28
liquid_snake Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Croatia(Split) Posts: 608	just trying to read this has me confused

10-20-2007, 09:08 AM	#30
TelekineticBanana Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Orlando, FL Posts: 12	Did a bunch of reading on time travel a few weeks ago and something just hit me (because of something meimei42 said in this thread). Most scientists believe that if time travel were even possible (most agree that it isn't), you could not travel back in time before the point where the time machine was made. Therefore, Hiro could only travel back in time far enough to where he was born, and not all the way back to feudal Japan. What do you guys think about that? In regards to P.Hiro seeing multiple other Hiros from alternate timelines, that doesn't really seem possible. Once you've taken an action, those alternate timelines are no longer reachable I would think. They're in another reality at this point that you don't belong to.