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Old 09-27-2007, 04:11 AM   #1
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Ok, don't flame me, I absolutely love the show. Just got the first season DVD set and tore through it in 2 nights, however, I simply can't square the following circles and am hoping someone can point out what I'm missing.

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I figured this one out, so, nevermind. I write about it (if you give a rat's a**) in a post below.
1) Why does Linderman hire Jessica to kill Nathan? He's worked so hard to get Nathan elected, he genuinely seems to believe that the nuclear detonation in NYC is inevitable, and he can't have any reason to anticipate that Niki will prevail over her alter ego, not kill Nathan, and send him for a meet and greet in the kitchen (where he convinces him to go along with the bomb, rather than just distract him long enough with his banter to have him wacked).
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2) Who is the Hatian working for, and where the hell does he disappear to?! He makes it clear that he reports to someone other than the "company" and then we see him attempting to deliver claire to the Nathan's mom, but since Linderman runs the "company" and Nathan's mom is in kahoots with Linderman, what point is there to take Claire to that family? Whatever the case, immediately after this scene, the Hatian totally disappears. He would have been PARTICULARLY useful in a showdown with Sylar, no?

3) After Sylar kills Eden, why does he remain in the cell?! What are we supposed to understand here? He smashed the glass, she shoots herself in the head, and then the next time we see him, the glass is fixed and he's heavily sedated and her body was dumped in Canada (seriously? canada? the company couldn't dispose of her in some less complicated way?! who's going to come look for her if she just disappears completely? but ok... I'm not going to worry about that part of it). How do they re-capture him? and if they know he still has his power, what do they do to keep him in line?! Not a word of it is ever mentioned.

4) Finally, the least logical plot device is the "nathan saves peter" plot device.
Claire is about to kill peter, as per his instructions. Nathan shows up to save the day (and peter) and sacrifice himself. But if Peter dies in the process (as everyone seems to assume he did) then what the hell did Nathan kill himself for?! Why didn't claire just shoot him and Nathan could be none the worse off for it. yes yes, I know that they're both alive in the season premiere but that's not the point, the point is that in the finale everyone seems to think that they're both dead. (never mind that shooting him in the head at that range would have done nothing, since the bulled would almost certainly go through his skull and he would be back to normal a few seconds later).

ok... any and all input on these issues will be accepted with much enthusiasm.

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Old 09-27-2007, 12:32 PM   #2
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I totally agree with you on #4. I really didn't see the need for Nathan to "save" Peter. Peter already knows how to fly, why did he need Nathan to take him into the air? I've heard somone say that maybe he can only use one power at a time, but Sylar has the ability to use multiple power simultaneously (can't think of an example but I'm pretty sure). Hmmm?? I guess we'll just have to wait and see.
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Old 09-27-2007, 04:17 PM   #3
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Keep in mind that the reason why he exploded was because he could not handle the number of powers that he contained; he had the exploding powers, all of his previous powers and sylar's powers. he overloaded and thus, overheated, much like any computer today (think the red rings of the xbox 360).

Nathan flew him so that he can explode in a safer place, rather than in the city. Claire couldn't manage to shoot him, so Nathan had to take action. A bullet to the back of the head would KILL Peter. Both Claire and Peter knew this, that's why he said to her "You know what to do".

I'll have to rewatch Season 1 to get on the same page for the first three.
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Old 09-27-2007, 06:44 PM   #4
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I felt the same way with most of em, but on the 4th one we knew Peter could fly why wouldnt he fly himself up in the air and save everyone.
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Old 09-27-2007, 06:49 PM   #5
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no no, I buy the "peter can't fly cause he's totally out of control and about to blow up" excuse for why Nathan would need to fly him out of there. My point is that the whole reason to fly him out of there is to SAVE him. If flying him out of there results in BOTH of them dying (as the show implies happens) then they should just shoot him.

I realize that neither of them winds up dead in season 2, but that's besides the point.

by the way, I was rewatching the episode titled "Fly" and there's another huge mistake in that one as well....
Noah gives Isaac a gun to kill Peter and "save the world", if peter should show up, back at Isaac's studio. This is the gun that Isaac uses later in the episode to accidentally kill his ex-girlfriend. But Noah knows what peter's power is at this point AND he knows that peter saved Claire's life, so, he would know that a gun would be completely useless against him.
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Old 09-27-2007, 07:34 PM   #6
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the point of flying out of the city wasn't to save him, it was to save the city and everyone else. a bullet ignited ted sprague, my bet is that claire isn't quite the marksman to put the bullet between his eyes to get the spot in the back of his head (why was he facing her if she was supposed to shoot him in the back of the head?) long story short, that was the desperate plea of a man who couldn't think of any other alternative with no guarantee that it would work. as for the above, no one knew that peter could access the abilities without being in the proximity of the hero with the power. the only one of those mentioned that i haven't rationalized is the sylar/eden situation. maybe, because he wasn't able to get what he wanted he resigned himself back to his cell and fixed the glass to be helpful. i'm sure in the unfilmed deleted scene, the haitian did it.
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Old 09-28-2007, 02:25 AM   #7
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fatj0, the more I think about it, the more I agree. While they should probably have made it clearer, the bullet to the head was not really a guarantee of anything. As I said above, even if she targeted his head perfectly, the round would almost certainly not stay in his skull and he'd be fine moments later. Though, on numerous occasions they were able to knock him out, even after he acquired the healing skill. In any case, I just wish they made it more obvious what point there is to Nathan's sacrifice.

Also, I re-watched the episode with Jessica's mission to kill Nathan and realized that, in fact, Linderman didn't hire her to kill him. Her role was to eliminate the FBI, strip Nathan of his wire and warn him to anticipate a "deal offer" which he should take, lest he lose his life.

As for Sylar's lack of escape after killing Eden, that continues to make no sense at all. Even if Sylar had the ability to repair the glass, we know that the company disposed of her body (because the cop that comes to see Mohinder says it was found in Canada). Are we to assume that they believe that Eden went to his cell to shoot herself in front of him but he had nothing to do with it?

Lastly, I continue to be dissatisfied with the Hatian's role in all this. His allegiances appear to be most strongly to Nathan's family, which is fine, but if he's no longer with the company and is on the run, then doesn't it make sense that he stick around to help Nathan and Peter with the Sylar showdown? he could have made the whole thing even easier than it was, as well as squashed peter's explosive potential when it would have been most necessary.
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i wrote the glass thing as a joke, they knew sylar was responsible for eden's death even if he didn't pull the trigger. and as far as the reason for the haitian not being there for the battle at the end: he had a hair appointment. or he was escorting the others away. they were headed to a helicopter when claire jumped out the window, remember?
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Old 09-28-2007, 09:46 AM   #9
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A hair appointment?

Isn't he bald?
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Old 09-28-2007, 09:45 PM   #10
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You're right! he works for nathan's mother. Guess that makes sense too, then.
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